Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

[Patman]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

It doesn't have the Count.

It's not about participation, it's about scholarships. Women should have equal access to free education for athletic prowess.

Last I heard, scholarships were not given out for clubs.

so, you're just talking free money then? right? Then we can give it to them for being in the "pretty nurses" club... those judged to be the most physically attractive of those in or entering the nursing program?

That'll be equal?

[Runninwiththedogs]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

so, you're just talking free money then? right? Then we can give it to them for being in the "pretty nurses" club... those judged to be the most physically attractive of those in or entering the nursing program?

That'll be equal?

Are you trying to get me to choke you? I mean, seriously.

[CLS]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

Does anyone know people who(m) can give a clear definiton of title IX and if so could you let me know?

Here is one of the more comprehensive ones I found. The main focus in on Title IX as a reason for eliminating men's non-revenue sports, but in discussing it, the article outlines the requirements of Title IX.

http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/law.../919569-1.html

[LynahFan]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

If 50 guys want to play sports... and 20 women want to play sports... how many sports opportunities are there if there are 100 men and 100 women at a school? Should the same rules then be applied to participation in school clubs?

Unfortunately, that thought process doesn't really work in the real world. There is effectively limitless demand for slots on both women's teams and men's teams, especially when there is scholarship money involved. I lettered 2 years in a sport (and even made the round of 16 in the NCAA regional one year) in a sport that I'd never even seen before setting foot on campus, just because the opportunity was there. You can add as many teams as you like, and you'll essentially never find the bottom of the demand well.

[Dirty]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

Are you trying to get me to choke you? I mean, seriously.

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[Patman]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

Are you trying to get me to choke you? I mean, seriously.

Money for athletic performance isn't a right. One can see it as a good idea to promote female equity... sure... but as a right? Hardly.

I am on the understanding that one of the "Title IX" tests is just that... campus interest... but nobody wants to go that road or else be slapped around by the courts or go through the fight within the campus with the faculty.

Having Title IX be modified in athletics is hardly an intentional blow to women's "rights". Certainly it is likely a blow to women's athletics and a possible blow to our national Olympic sports programs.

As for the other stuff... relax

[The Rube]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

It doesn't have the Count.



It's not about participation, it's about scholarships. Women should have equal access to free education for athletic prowess.

Last I heard, scholarships were not given out for clubs.

All I am saying, that many times, instead of adding women's stuff to fall in line, schools cut men's stuff. That is not what the spirit of Title IX is. Schools should add women's programs to fall in line.

Where's my sandwich, by the way?

[Runninwiththedogs]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

Money for athletic performance isn't a right. One can see it as a good idea to promote female equity... sure... but as a right? Hardly.

I am on the understanding that one of the "Title IX" tests is just that... campus interest... but nobody wants to go that road or else be slapped around by the courts or go through the fight within the campus with the faculty.

Having Title IX be modified in athletics is hardly an intentional blow to women's "rights". Certainly it is likely a blow to women's athletics and a possible blow to our national Olympic sports programs.

As for the other stuff... relax

Your initial response was so dismissive that it didn't warrant a real answer.

Where did I use the word "right" ever? Look back and see. Perhaps respond to what I'm actually saying.

All I am saying, that many times, instead of adding women's stuff to fall in line, schools cut men's stuff. That is not what the spirit of Title IX is. Schools should add women's programs to fall in line.

Where's my sandwich, by the way?

Stop it, Brent. Seriously. I have had enough of that ****ing joke.

[Patman]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

Your initial response was so dismissive that it didn't warrant a real answer.

You said it was about scholarships... only then did you clarify that you meant "athletic" scholarships.

Bottom line... nobody here is out to get the women's programs... but obviously there's something faulty when a school can't pursue options that may interest them.

[Runninwiththedogs]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

You said it was about scholarships... only then did you clarify that you meant "athletic" scholarships.

Bottom line... nobody here is out to get the women's programs... but obviously there's something faulty when a school can't pursue options that may interest them.

And you are ASSUMING that it is Title IX.

Certainly, I'm sure none of you are out to get women's sports... as long as they don't interfere with the real sports.

[Dirty]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

Certainly, I'm sure none of you are out to get women's sports... as long as they don't interfere with the real sports.

Lisa, if the Bible has taught us nothing else -- and it hasn't -- it's that girls should stick to girl's sports, such as hot oil wrestling and foxy boxing and such and such.

[cycledown]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

Happy and CLS

Thanks for the effort and the info, looks like im going to have to become a lawyer and try to figure out where college hockey fits in. To save the argument specifically Mens and Womens.

[JF_Gophers]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just add a second team in an existing sport for women than to try and start up an entirely new one?

Maybe schools are just approaching this wrong.

[cycledown]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just add a second team in an existing sport for women than to try and start up an entirely new one?

Maybe schools are just approaching this wrong.

How are they approaching the issue wrong, you still have to spend the money. The thought behind modification is to lower the start-up cost so schools can add hockey, thus expansion.

[JF_Gophers]

Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

How are they approaching the issue wrong, you still have to spend the money. The thought behind modification is to lower the start-up cost so schools can add hockey, thus expansion.

That's your thought. I'd just prefer they didn't cut sports as a remedy.