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  • #31
    Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

    I think it will always be around. Without too much thinking, I think it should have some kind of weighting assingned to it by youth governing bodies...if we identify X number of collegiate sports, the govering bodies of those sports should tell us how many male vs female participants...giving us a guideline for for the number of sports and schollys offered. ie if "boys" participate in collegeiate type sports at a rate 3x more than women then that should be our guideline.. --come up with a total number of opportunities to compete based on youth sport participation

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    • #32
      Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

      Originally posted by CHFAN222 View Post
      The best way for college sports to grow is going to be through increased sports revenue. Which is going to be coming up with the new TV contracts.
      This is completely wrong. More revenue has led to LESS sports. Schools are pouring millions back into football and the events of the past two weeks are only going to reinforce that behavior.

      Look no further than the University of Texas. $120 million in annual revenue with an extra $10 million on the way next season. What sports (besides football)is UT going to add or existing sports are they going to improve with the money?

      More revenue has led to the "Arms Race" and less sports. Title IX doesn't deserve the blame.
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      • #33
        Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

        Originally posted by bronconick View Post
        So, at what point does the % of women going to college over men reach a point where Title IX reverses? In 2006, men were down to 42% of campuses.

        More football scholarships! Give the poor downtrodden man a chance at an education!
        Doesn't work that way. The proportion thing means that women should be getting 58% of the scholarships then, which will just mean further cuts to men's sports.

        Football is and always has been the key. I used to be of the opinion that it should just be excluded, and let Title IX work for everything but football. As I've thought about it more, though, 85 scholarships is simply not needed, especially when sports like hockey (18 scholarships) and baseball (12.5) can't even fill out a starting lineup (well, baseball that's true assuming you have at least a couple starters and relievers who see continuous use).

        Cut the 85 scholarships to 70. You can still go 3 deep at every position with 4 kickers/punters (or 3 kickers and a 4th QB). 15 extra scholarships is a baseball team, most of a hockey team, or a wrestling team.

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        • #34
          Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

          Scholarships don't really cost universities very much money. The dorms are bought and paid for, the meal plans probably average under $5 per day and sticking an extra kid or two in the classroom costs nothing.

          Big name football coaches can cost $1-5 million per season. Assistants can make more than $1 million. Weight rooms, scoreboards, new arenas, stadium expansions cost big bucks.

          Follow the money.

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          • #35
            Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

            Originally posted by CHFAN222 View Post
            Except for D1-FBS football at Army, Rutgers, UCONN, BC, Syracuse, and Buffalo. Also FCS Football at Villanova, Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Brown, UNH, UMASS, Maine, Holy Cross... I think I've named enough.
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            • #36
              Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

              Originally posted by Nevergoodenough View Post
              How's this for a solution: Let the individual sports pay for themselves? Football generates it's own revenue, as does basketball, hockey, lacrosse, rowing, soccer, wrestling, etc...... The strong survive, the weak die away.

              What Title IX has provided for women is an opportunity for them to compete while the men pay for the privilage. Now, I'm all for women in sports but don't throw the sexism thing in our face yet ask the men to pay. Going out with a man, expecting him to pay for dinner but preaching about equality just doesn't fly.

              Football is creating the issues all the way down to high school. However, football probably brings in the most money to D1 schools.

              As true with many government mandates: The theory is good, the execution is suspect.
              HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

              You think football only subsidizes women's sports?

              Originally posted by Dirty View Post
              Says the woman who has an WCHA All Hottie Team.
              So what? Is that the only thing I write about? Is that the only time I ever pay attention to men's sports? Do I completely dismiss the talent of the players and only focus on their looks?


              Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
              RWD: Go make me a sandwich. And besides, shouldn't you be barefoot and pregnant by now? Sheesh. The nerve of some broads.

              Title IX is great, in spirit. However, schools cut popular programs to fall in line, rather than add new ones. That's my problem with it (to put it in simplest terms).
              And there you are, Cycledown. I can't possibly defend women's sports without being insulted and mocked. You tell me my comment didn't belong? WELL THERE'S YOUR PROOF THAT IT DID.
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              • #37
                Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View Post
                So what? Is that the only thing I write about? Is that the only time I ever pay attention to men's sports? Do I completely dismiss the talent of the players and only focus on their looks?
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                • #38
                  Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                  So in essense this is not about adding/removing sports. Its about adding/removing scholarships.

                  Its not about gender equality in sports (i.e. if men get baseball, women get softball). It's about money equality.

                  So a University could add more sports for just men, or just women if they did not offer scholarships to play them?
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                  • #39
                    Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                    Originally posted by JF_Gophers View Post
                    So in essense this is not about adding/removing sports. Its about adding/removing scholarships.

                    Its not about gender equality in sports (i.e. if men get baseball, women get softball). It's about money equality.

                    So a University could add more sports for just men, or just women if they did not offer scholarships to play them?
                    The overall budgets (including scholarships) that the school spends on men and women are supposed to be equal (or proportional), as are the total numbers of participants. Even if you add non-scholarship men's sports, that's still more money (coaches, facilities, etc) being spent on male athletes, and it's more slots available for male athletes.

                    Otherwise D-III, Ivy League, etc schools (which don't award scholarships) could do whatever they want, and that is clearly not the case.
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                    • #40
                      Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                      Does anyone know people who(m) can give a clear definiton of title IX and if so could you let me know?

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                      • #41
                        Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                        Originally posted by cycledown View Post
                        Does anyone know people who(m) can give a clear definiton of title IX and if so could you let me know?
                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX


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                        • #42
                          Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                          Originally posted by Happy View Post
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_IX


                          it is bad law, but it will never be fixed, because it is as PC as a law has ever been written.
                          Please explain why it is bad. Please enlighten me, O Great Man, for I am a lowly woman and am too stupid to understand.
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                          • #43
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                            Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View Post
                            Please explain why it is bad. Please enlighten me, O Great Man, for I am a lowly woman and am too stupid to understand.
                            So true, Black Widow. I'm starting to get concerned here as you are thinking way too hard. Why don't you try focusing on this instead?
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                            • #44
                              Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                              Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View Post
                              Please explain why it is bad. Please enlighten me, O Great Man, for I am a lowly woman and am too stupid to understand.
                              If 50 guys want to play sports... and 20 women want to play sports... how many sports opportunities are there if there are 100 men and 100 women at a school? Should the same rules then be applied to participation in school clubs?
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                              • #45
                                Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                                Originally posted by Dirty View Post
                                So true, Black Widow. I'm starting to get concerned here as you are thinking way too hard. Why don't you try focusing on this instead?
                                It doesn't have the Count.

                                Originally posted by Patman View Post
                                If 50 guys want to play sports... and 20 women want to play sports... how many sports opportunities are there if there are 100 men and 100 women at a school? Should the same rules then be applied to participation in school clubs?
                                It's not about participation, it's about scholarships. Women should have equal access to free education for athletic prowess.

                                Last I heard, scholarships were not given out for clubs.
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