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  • Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

    I think it should change but dont know specifically what area needs change to allow a larger volume for growth in college sports.

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    Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

    The best way for college sports to grow is going to be through increased sports revenue. Which is going to be coming up with the new TV contracts. If you want to increase the number of sports at your own school then donate.

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    • #3
      Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

      It should change by adding the amendment "if there is demand." Why should a school cut a program (men's or women's) to equal everything out if the demand for the cut sport is there?

      Yes, there is the factor of: if it's not there, how would you know? for new sports programs, but with all the club teams, etc, you would know.
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        Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

        Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
        It should change by adding the amendment "if there is demand." Why should a school cut a program (men's or women's) to equal everything out if the demand for the cut sport is there?
        Because athletic directors have a limited budget to work with, and sometimes that necessitates cutting a sport that they can't afford to continue to support.
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          Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

          Originally posted by Craig P. View Post
          Because athletic directors have a limited budget to work with, and sometimes that necessitates cutting a sport that they can't afford to continue to support.
          That works, too. I'm just sick of schools cancelling stuff simply because of Title IX. For that to be the only reason, it goes against the spirit of the rule, IMO.
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            Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

            Be VERY careful... as far as I understand it... which means I can be wrong... Title IX is a law that applies to schools and it wasn't drawn up to be applied to athletics. Its only courts that have formulated that it applies to athletics and more so defined a test.

            I could be wrong... hell, if I am, correct me.... yes, you can always make a specific sports modification but as it stands right now the bill is not drawn up specifically to deal with sports.
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              Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

              I could be wrongly blaming Title IX myself. Lets go into a hypothetical, if all this time Title IX wasnt the reason then that would mean the private sector is less enthused to donate thus not seeing a large expansion of college sports, specifically hockey. I hope that is the case because I know that I can contribute to expansion by just raising money. Feel free to elaborate from this post.
              Last edited by cycledown; 06-17-2010, 12:53 AM.

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              • #8
                Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                Originally posted by cycledown View Post
                I could be wrongly blaming Title IX myself. Lets go into a hypothetical, if all this time Title IX wasnt the reason then that would mean the private sector is less enthused to donate thus not seeing a large expansion of college sports, specifically hockey. I hope that is the case because I know that can contribute to expansion by just raising money. Feel free to elaborate from this post.
                Hockey is regional, for the most part, always has been, and prob always will be. If you want a comparison, look at soccer at the pro level. The US doesn't give two craps about soccer.

                It has grown, sure, but it won't be a major sport nationwide. Hockey has grown, sure, but it won't be a major sport nationwide. Get my drift?
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                • #9
                  Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                  The language of Title IX is pretty basic, and was intended to apply to much more than sports:

                  "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

                  The courts and the NCAA have interpreted this as the provision of equal opportunity for women. Therefore scholarships and gender equity should be proportional, so no discrimination takes place. That means if you have 85 scholarships on your football team for men, you probably need to make sure you are offsetting those 85 by expanding women's sports so that you can stay proportional. Unfortunately, to expand the opportunities for women and keep your 85 football scholarships, that means something else needs to go, and it's usually a men's sport...

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                  • #10
                    Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                    Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
                    The language of Title IX is pretty basic, and was intended to apply to much more than sports:

                    "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance."

                    The courts and the NCAA have interpreted this as the provision of equal opportunity for women. Therefore scholarships and gender equity should be proportional, so no discrimination takes place. That means if you have 85 scholarships on your football team for men, you probably need to make sure you are offsetting those 85 by expanding women's sports so that you can stay proportional. Unfortunately, to expand the opportunities for women and keep your 85 football scholarships, that means something else needs to go, and it's usually a men's sport...
                    You say it better than I do.

                    In your wording, let's say a school isn't meeting the requirements. However, there isn't a demand or otherwise to equal it out. Well, to put it into simplest tems, "you're *ed."

                    That's just not right to me.
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                      Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                      Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                      You say it better than I do.

                      In your wording, let's say a school isn't meeting the requirements. However, there isn't a demand or otherwise to equal it out. Well, to put it into simplest tems, "you're *ed."

                      That's just not right to me.
                      I dont think its right either and thats where Im having the interpretation problem with the Title. I cant figure out why/where there cant be a window of opportunity to modify it.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                        Big deal if a men's sport has to be cut. There are professional minor leagues for every major men's sport (I don't know this for a fact in regard to pumpkin pushing but it must be true). College athletics is one of a multitude of options for competition for men at a high level. Wahhhhhh!!! Poor men!!! You are so oppressed by the audacity of women to believe they deserve the same privilege of college-subsidized athletic opportunities!!!

                        I'll just pre-empt everyone else here and say we should get rid of Title IX and send women back to the kitchen where we belong. OMG!! I must be PMSing!!!
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                        • #13
                          Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                          Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View Post
                          Big deal if a men's sport has to be cut. There are professional minor leagues for every major men's sport (I don't know this for a fact in regard to pumpkin pushing but it must be true). College athletics is one of a multitude of options for competition for men at a high level. Wahhhhhh!!! Poor men!!! You are so oppressed by the audacity of women to believe they deserve the same privilege of college-subsidized athletic opportunities!!!

                          I'll just pre-empt everyone else here and say we should get rid of Title IX and send women back to the kitchen where we belong. OMG!! I must be PMSing!!!
                          What the hell are you talking about....I want womens hockey, what I dont want mens hockey not having the opportunity to expand because womens hockey cant make the cut. Title IX should not hold back other sports and thus the business side that goes with it. But is my opinion the correct interpretation of Title IX. To me there is alot of grey areas that need to be specified.

                          Whats all this garbage about going back to the kitchen........toss that out doesnt make sense.
                          Last edited by cycledown; 06-17-2010, 01:15 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                            Many think that schools would add hockey in a heart beat if they could. Outside of some northern tier schools, there is pretty much no interest in college hockey, not among the students, not the alumni and not the faculty. Also, schools just don't have the millions to start up random new sports especially when there's a good chance they'd live as a perennial doormat. And starting a program that fails due to financial constraints is not just extremely costly but also embarrassing for a school. So, from everything I've seen, college hockey is not widespread...not so much due to title ix...as to its costs, risks and lack of popularity.
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                              Re: Should Title IX be modified or stay in it's present form?

                              Originally posted by 5mn_Major View Post
                              Many think that schools would add hockey in a heart beat if they could. Outside of some northern tier schools, there is pretty much no interest in college hockey, not among the students, not the alumni and not the faculty. Also, schools just don't have the millions to start up random new sports especially when there's a good chance they'd live as a perennial doormat. And starting a program that fails due to financial constraints is not just extremely costly but also embarrassing for a school. So, from everything I've seen, college hockey is not widespread...not so much due to title ix...as to its costs, risks and lack of popularity.

                              You dont plan on failure. Obviously if you dont have the money you dont make the plan but this thread is about a piece of legislation that could be modied pending on its intepretation. If the Title was modified the start up costs for schools would be alot cheaper than at the moment.

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