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Originally posted by Happy View PostSweet, UND gets back a player who has a court date already set up. Another season we don't have to listen to any UND fans talking about ethics, morals, or class, since they have more jailbirds on their team than anyone else. Like always.
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Regardless of anything else, props to Frattin for sticking it out and working hard to come back versus taking the easy way out and bolting.
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Re: UND 2009-2010 Season Thread - The Lawnmower and Cookie tossing edition!
Originally posted by Happy View PostSweet, UND gets back a player who has a court date already set up. Another season we don't have to listen to any UND fans talking about ethics, morals, or class, since they have more jailbirds on their team than anyone else. Like always.
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Sweet, UND gets back a player who has a court date already set up. Another season we don't have to listen to any UND fans talking about ethics, morals, or class, since they have more jailbirds on their team than anyone else. Like always.
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Originally posted by Sloe Gin View Postwhile I know UND's history of players with arrests and brushes with the law, I'm guessing there was a lot of behind-the-scene stuff that was happening here. Maybe the coaches had him doing some additional community service or youth programs or (wait for it) lawnmowing! Point is, Frattin might have shown the coaching staff something that made them feel he deserved reinstatement.
I say he should be on super-probation but otherwise, I'm happy to have him back.
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The players are college kids after all. They drink, party, go to bars when they are underage, **** in elevators, get in streetfights, raise holy hell.
Kicking a player off the team for a whole year to me was a bit much. Half a year is fine. If he wouldnt have been involved with the lawnmower thing he probably would have only had to sit out the manitoba game.
Personally I can't stand it when stuff hits the papers about college kids behaving badly. They are young men learning about life.
Leave them alone. The coaches will take care of it.
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Originally posted by Puck Swami View PostThat said, I do not think that all hockey players are the same. I think there is a direct correlation between a program's recruiting philosophy and the number of public "incidents" that players and school's endure.
IMO part of the issue lies in the location/coverage of these two schools (if we are just comparing UND and DU). The vast majority of UND's issues with the law have involved alcohol. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find a collegiate hockey player (at any school) that doesn't drink and/or party. At UND, the hockey team and the players are almost local celebrities. Combine that with there not being a whole lot of things to do in GF, and it is noticed if they show up at a bar underage. Plus, the local media is quick to jump on any issue if it involves a UND hockey player. Heck, last year there was an article in the Herald about Brett Hextall getting in a car accident...in which the other driver just ran into him, he was at no fault. Compare that to Denver, where the DU hockey team barely gets mentioned in the local media, regardless of how good they are doing that year. It's got to be a lot easier to sweep issues under the rug if no one in the media would bother reporting it anyway.
I'm not trying to make excuses for UND's past behavior. It is embarrassing as an UND fan/alum when issues with the law continue to happen with the hockey team. The DUI issues are particularly troubling...I don't put much into the elevator, etc issues.
That said, in a town with not much to do (especially in the dead cold of winter), what else are these kids going to do but drink and throw lawn mowers on the street?
When you combine boredom + alcohol + a local media looking for issues, it's no surprise to me that UND runs into problems. I just wish those problems would be limited to normal college "problems"...loud party, etc and not the DUI's.
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Originally posted by Goon View PostThis stuff isn't static you never know what is going to happen and some day it might be a DU player that has some of the same issues and I am sure you will see a Bad Boyz article some where (oh there will be one trust me). I know we all got a big yuck, yuck out of the Blarney's incident down in Minnesota. The thing is that DU has been lucky to date. As far as Brock Trotter no one ever talked about what it was. So how do we know it's not some law violation?
That said, I do not think that all hockey players are the same. I think there is a direct correlation between a program's recruiting philosophy and the number of public "incidents" that players and school's endure. Denver may very well have a public incident one day, but the fact they haven't had one in many years is, I believe, as much a reflection of recruiting philosophy as it is luck or hiding of incidents. When you talk with the DU coaches, they will tell you that they pass on recruiting some very good hockey players all the time if they don't meet certain character requirements. That screens out some of the rif-raf, but I also think there is a serious academic culture on the team now that wasn't there 20 or 30 years ago. The fact that Denver led the WCHA with a league record 18 players on the WCHA all-academic team this year tells you that DU is really going after kids that get it done on the ice and in the classroom. That's not to say they are all choirboys, but most of them clearly understand why they are at school and they understand the value of a $50,000 per year scholarship, and what it means to fulfill their team obligations as well as enjoying the benefits of playing for a premier hockey program.
In short, it's about signing the right players and creating a culture rewards and punishes the right things. That's not to say that DU won't have an indicident someday, but the odds of that happening have been reduced over the last 20 years because the school and the coaches are being proactive on the front end in terms of recruiting, culture setting and being unafraid to punish when players do transgress.
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Originally posted by Busua View PostAs for Swami's zero-tolerance view, I think it is too purist and would reply that redemption is a fine virtue too. It is particularly appropriate when dealing with the 18-25 year old set. A lot of growing up occurs during those years... well, usually. I have no problem with the program giving Frattin a second chance provided it is given with the expectation that he will work his butt off to deserve it. Plus, it is great that DU's players have not put their program in the same situation -- kudos to the players -- but I would hope DU would do what UND has done with Frattin (except stick with a full year) if/when put into the same situation.
Go Sioux!
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Originally posted by Stromer View PostHe choose to leave school and went back home. Pretty good decision, IMO. I don't think sticking around GF for a semester would have did him much good.
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Originally posted by SiouxAviator View PostDid they kick him out of school, or did he choose to take the hiatus, to get his personal business in order?
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Originally posted by Busua View PostI did not quite understand kicking him out of school.
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Originally posted by Busua View PostAs for Swami's zero-tolerance view, I think it is too purist and would reply that redemption is a fine virtue too. It is particularly appropriate when dealing with the 18-25 year old set.
To this point, he’s done all the right things,” Hakstol said. “He’s eligible to play. I’m approaching it one day forward at a time. He needs to continue doing a good job day by day. If he continues to do the right things day by day, there will be another opportunity for him.
“I’m really impressed with the way Matt has handled everything right from Day One. He had other options. He probably chose the most difficult path in deciding to return to the University of North Dakota. He decided to do whatever it took.” [grand forks herald]Last edited by Goon; 12-30-2009, 01:16 PM.
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Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post.
As for Denver's dirty laundry, it's simply not comparable - Knock on wood, but no active Pioneer hockey player has been ever been arrested or convicted of a crime while enrolled at Denver in Gwozdecky's tenure since 1994. That's not to say the DU players are all choir boys (I am sure they are not) but so far, when an active DU player gets into serious off-ice trouble, even when the police are not involved, the evidence we have is that they no longer get to wear the DU uniform (See Trotter, Brock).
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