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  • #31
    Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

    Gang

    Wonderful ideas, but Division 1 is effectively closed to expansion unless you start a new conference.

    WCHA - 12 teams
    CCHA - 11 teams (1 independent waiting)
    ECAC - 12 teams
    AHA - 12 teams
    HEA - 10 teams

    Unless you start a 6th conference and stock it with existing established teams, you're playing independent.

    But, just for the sake of expansion, you could do this:
    Eastern Expansion:
    AHA subract UConn, add Navy (stay @ 12)
    HEA add Penn State add UConn (up to 12 and has all the cow colleges in the east except Cornell). All the Eastern conferences are now full.

    Western Expansion:
    None. No room.
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    • #32
      Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

      Originally posted by joecct View Post
      Gang

      Wonderful ideas, but Division 1 is effectively closed to expansion unless you start a new conference.

      WCHA - 12 teams
      CCHA - 11 teams (1 independent waiting)
      ECAC - 12 teams
      AHA - 12 teams
      HEA - 10 teams

      Unless you start a 6th conference and stock it with existing established teams, you're playing independent.

      But, just for the sake of expansion, you could do this:
      Eastern Expansion:
      AHA subract UConn, add Navy (stay @ 12)
      HEA add Penn State add UConn (up to 12 and has all the cow colleges in the east except Cornell). All the Eastern conferences are now full.

      Western Expansion:
      None. No room.
      Come on- this is just like Hollywood- just enough reality to make it credible, but not enough to make it real.

      We are all dreaming.

      It's kind of a "whoes got a cool rink, reputation (or NOT, specifically, and wants it), and if there was a bag of money- what would you do?" kind of thread.

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      • #33
        Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

        Originally posted by redhawkman10 View Post
        If were going to start a new conference, why not start the Pac 10 conference? To my knowledge all of the conference have club teams and have a D II pac 8 conference. Arizona st. has a very solid and competitive D I club team. You could add the two alaska schools and form a solid 12 team conference. The WHL is very prominent in the northwest so no doubt college hockey can work, plus there are some very very good players coming out of california.

        Outside of that, I like the idea of Iowa St. or Colorado or Colorado st.. Even the University of Illinois who has a very solid D I club team. If a Pac 10 conference is started and the alaskan schools join it, taking Illinois and Iowa st. to the D I level to fill the vancancies left joined by either Penn St. or Ohio univeristy to make the CCHA 12 teams and keep the WCHA at 12 teams would add big budget universities and names to each conference.

        I agree a 5 year plan would need to be in place with a head coach around for a min of 2 years and a full staff 1 year out. Fundraising and arena's should be started about 5 years out to make sure the program gets off on the right foot.

        As far as title IX I have no idea how that would work.
        The WHL works in the Northwest because they can sell beer and have fighting and it's relatively cheap to operate a CHL team. But I agree, having college hockey teams in the Northwest would be great, especially from UAA/UAF perspective.
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        • #34
          Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

          Navy: Just effing get it done already!

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          • #35
            Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

            Ok, lots of good ideas:

            -Navy
            -Syracuse
            -Kentucky
            -Illinois (both Chicago and Urbana-Champaign)
            -Penn State
            -(Pac-10 schools)
            -Iowa State
            -Colorado
            -Colorado State
            -(SEC schools)
            -Northwestern
            -Georgetown and/or American University
            -Liberty
            -Marquette
            -Pennsylvania
            -Rhode Island
            -South Dakota
            -DePaul
            -St. Louis U

            So - why should their athletic departments support a two (men's and women's) D-1 hockey programs? Hockey's a marginal sport in most of this country, and lacrosse (a similarly fast-paced sport) has a lot fewer barriers to entry. Of course we know why we love hockey, but we're not presenting any good arguments for a school to shell out $50M plus another $40M for an arena.
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            • #36
              Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

              Syracuse University having a D1 team would be really nice, but Title IX is going to prevent that for a while
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              • #37
                Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

                Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
                Starting hockey programs at any Eastern or Midwestern school is incremental growth, since the game is already well established there.

                College sports support is the largest in the American South. Even though hockey isn't very popular there, the moment some big SEC or Texas school starts a hockey program at the varsity level and is playing for keeps, it won't be long before the other big southern schools try to match.

                I'd be targeting schools like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, and Tennessee.
                Well Tennessee has a solid club tradition as does Kentucky. If both could go together that would be huge along your lines. Their is a SEC club hockey conference and florida gulf coast has two club teams so enough interest down in that part of florida and talent to play at the levels they are. I think you hit the nail that southern schools are the way to go. Carolina has a very good AAA program in Raleigh. I know Kennesaw St. looked at it a few years back so its a route that should be explored more, especially with the FF in Tampa in 2 years.
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                • #38
                  Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

                  Originally posted by MoFan View Post
                  Long road trip to Penn though for most teams, Penn players would live on the bus.
                  Are you kidding me? Spoiled Eastern schools... ask the Colorado and Alaska schools how sympathetic they'd be to Penn State.

                  As for my vote, put a notch down in the Iowa State column.
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                  • #39
                    Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

                    Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                    That Navy rink looks pretty nice- fill in the one side, and partials up the ends, and it would looke right at home in the CCHA.
                    The McMullen Ice Arena was built with the potential of Navy going D-1. Right now it only has temporary bleachers, but there is the room to build bowl seating that IIRC would seat about 4000.

                    Same for Liberty's arena, but the seating there is rather odd. However, they pack the place and already have a pipeline to recruits in Canada, especially in Ontario.
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                    • #40
                      Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

                      Rutgers. They have alot more money coming in now because of the football stadium renovations. Plus might be getting alot more money if they do the conference switch. They are looking into getting the RAC either renovated or replaced so either way they could adjust it and put in a rink (the original RAC plans actually called for a rink). They also have alumni who have stated in the past they will donate a large amount of money to start a program.

                      Florida or Texas. Two of the most profitable college programs in the country. They also have large student bodies that could support it. If either one added a team it could cause another school to add one as well. Throw in the fact that they would likely invite UAH into the new conference and might be able to convince Navy to set up shop and you could have the SEHC.

                      USC- They have the money and might convice another PAC-10/western school to jump on board. Throw in the two BC schools that want to join the NCAA the Alaska schools and a few others such as Boise St or Oregon (Nike U) and you could have a power conference. The distance between teams would be large but that hasnt hurt the PAC-10 for basketball.

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                      • #41
                        Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

                        Originally posted by 4four4 View Post
                        Since, the season is over I am curious to hear what USCHO posters would do if they had a chance to start up from scratch a Division one hockey program. Please try to keep the forming of a BTHC to minium. Here is the following criteria.

                        1.) The school of your choice has 50 million dollars to use. Any region of the country is fine, it is your choice.
                        2.) Currently, there is a basketball arena on campus that seats over 10,000 with bad sight lines for hockey but they do have a 1,500 seat hockey arena.
                        3.) When do you bring in a coach?
                        4.) When do you fundraise?
                        5.) How do you get around all the Title crap?
                        6.) What conference do you want to play in?
                        7.) Finally name the school.

                        2.) Depends on which one is easier to retrofit or refurb... 50 mill will go a long way for that. I'd either put more seats in the 1,500 seater and start to make it a real old barn with the right paint job and lower cost highlights. If I have to work with the 10,000 seater I'd plop the rink in the middle and I'd spend the rest on upgrading the bells and whistles in the arena with some consultation with the basketball coaches. Depending on what's left or what gets me to 'reasonable' I'd pour the rest into coaching/training space... weights, films, etc.
                        3.) I assume we'd have to deal with the land of reasonable here. I'd try to pry Dennehy out of Merrimack... after that I go with an current assistant in his early 30s... somebody who will want to grunt it out the first few years to prove himself.
                        4.) When do you not? The question is finding the right pitch and audience.
                        5.) Womens' Golf... Women's Bowling. Most of the tests tend to rely on opportunities though often money is used as an indicator. I'd try to get the headcount in order and then try to weasel on the money bit as much as possible... inflate other sports budgets as little as needed to cross the limbo line.
                        6.) Which ever will let me in the door. Not a lot of options floating around here.
                        7.) Suppose I should answer #1.
                        1.) Lets put it near Chicago... why don't they have a D-1 team?
                        7.) Joliet State University Fighting Ditkas.
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                        • #42
                          Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

                          Originally posted by CHFAN222 View Post
                          Rutgers.
                          Here's a kinky idea: Rutgers and Seton Hall starting programs at the same time.

                          Honestly, I think there's enough big name schools out East that COULD have hockey that they could fill their own new conference. Between PA, NJ and NY alone you've got:

                          Pitt
                          Penn State
                          Penn
                          Temple
                          Villanova
                          Seton Hall
                          Rutgers
                          Columbia
                          Syracuse
                          St. John's

                          Bam! 10 team conference, all within a reasonable bus ride of each other.
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                          • #43
                            Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

                            Originally posted by Beer Pong Horn View Post
                            If Penn State forms a conference, the you-know-what will get some legs. Syracuse though, along with tOSU, BGSU, Miami, BG, Niagara, Bobby Mo, Mercyhurst, UAH and my suggestion of UK - that'd be a sweet little conference, especially with a CCHA scheduling agreement.
                            True, but PSU would be building their program up from the ground up while competing head to head with Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota and Wisconsin. Not a great recipe for immediate success. And well, of the five current Big Ten Schools, Ohio State is the Red Headed step child among them. Only one of the five that's yet to win an NCAA Championship in Hockey. a change of pace to a conference that only one school off the bat there would be able to point to their rafters and show a recuit a NCAA D1 Hockey Championship would be good for them, especially if they can get that yearly deal to play a series with Michigan and or Michigan State, or if there is some sort of a Big Ten Crossover deal that lets them play just enough to stave off the BTHC formation.
                            Originally posted by MoFan View Post
                            Syracuse would belong in the ECAC. Pulling out 4 teams from the CCHA would break the conference.
                            They would still have at least 7 teams, and all but Notre Dame and Alaska would be in state. There's a chance that they could swipe Michigan Tech, and they might make a push for Wisconsin, into jumping ship. And there's a few schools nearby that could add hockey as well. A Chicago School would clearly fit in nicely here, Marquette wouldn't be that bad of a stretch either, Wayne State could revive their men's hockey program, and there's a few schools like Central Michigan and Grand Valley State where hockey would be a natural fit at. Plenty of potential for growth here to flesh out both conferences.

                            Originally posted by redhawkman10 View Post
                            Like maybe the University of Buffalo? Lots of homegrown talent and can recruit the ontario leagues well.
                            U of Buffalo would be a logical place to add the sport at as well.
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                            • #44
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                              • #45
                                Re: So you want to start up a D1 team

                                Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
                                To say nothing of the fact that any of the Philly schools (not just Penn, but probably Temple and 'Nova) probably have the money.
                                Haha I'm not sure that we do have the money, but I will do whatever it takes to bring college hockey to Philly in my lifetime.

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