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  • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

    Originally posted by Third Family Member View Post
    If Calle goes back to Sweden after he graduates, you may have a new room-mate Yue?!
    haha that sounds not bad to me, but I doubt he would keep the extra room empty till my graduation. let's see
    Irish Hockey is my first and only religious belief
    and my faith never dies

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    • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

      Originally posted by grantfan View Post
      Hey, nobody likes to see girls at hockey games more than me.
      That's obviously because a hockey rink is the only place any girl would allow you to be within 500 feet of her. And that's simply because she'll have plenty of buffer between you and her. Methinks your mother was the last female to be anywhere near you, and lets face it, even she was trying to get rid of you, if you think about it.

      I would guess than many many knowledgeable fans who know more than you -- which is redundant since it appears you know very little except how to be a complete a-hole -- would not know that the boxscore notation of a game misconduct is accompanied by an addition 10 minute penalty. After all it doesn't make complete sense, the guy is gone for the rest of the game, which could be 1 minute, 10 minutes, 27 minutes, or 60 minutes. Generally in a traditional 10-minute misconduct you sit in the box for ten minutes, and if you've been tossed from the game for whatever reason and receive an additional traditional 10 minute misconduct, someone else on your team will be serving it, in addition to whatever other penalty was assessed.

      I actually hope he sticks around. I'll reprise a post I made a few months back to state simply:
      Originally posted by IrishHockeyFan
      Jackhole posters who exist only to venture occasionally into other team threads and flame are Anti-Listed. It's for them I am thankful for our absolute right as citizens to express ourselves freely, and for the men and women in uniform who stand ready to defend those and other rights. It's what makes spotting the true idiots and losers in our midst so easily. You are certainly annoying, but you make me appreciate all the more people like my recently promoted daughter (*edit* she was promoted early this year -- not again now though, so I still outrank you Jewls), those on the board who have spent time in our military, and those with kids still serving.

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      • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

        Originally posted by grantfan View Post
        Troll alert, JJFP! Troll alert, JJFP!!

        Do not mind me when I say it is downright embarrassing for someone who fashions herself an expert beyond reproach to not know that a 5-minute checking from behind penalty brings with it an automatic 10 minute muisconduct penalty. .
        And on that point, Grantfan, you are incorrect. A 10 minute misconduct penalty is exactly that, 10 minutes. The penalized player sits in the penalty box for 10 minutes and is allowed out at the next stoppage of play. Major penalties, such as checking from behind, butt ending, spearing, kneeing, were originally considered penalties that had an intent to injure to them, and that is what constituted the major assessment. If you draw blood on the opponent with a penalty that wouldn't normally be a major, such as high sticking, it also becomes a major penalty. All major penalties come with a game ejection, either in the form of a game misconduct, which means the player is gone for the rest of the game, or a game disqualification, which means the person is gone for that game and additional, following, games. In other words, not a 10 minute misconduct. Game misconducts and game disqualifications do not have a minute length assessed to them and the length of the disqualificaiton is not reflected in penalty minutes assessed on the person for a season because they can occur at any point in a game. They also do not appear in the total penalty minutes assessed in the box score So, Ryan's CFB was assessed a 2 minute minor for the CFB and the automatic 5 minute major, both of which which appeared in the box score. He also received a 10 minute misconduct penalty which again, has a finite time length, and will appear in the box score. The 10 minute misconduct was not for the CFB or the major penalty assessed, it was from an imprudent comment to the referee, or as JJfP put it, he continued to yap when he should have just kept his mouth shut.

        Overall, my hunch is that Coach Jackson, who has gone on record as saying he can abuse the refs but the players cannot, took exception to Ryan's behavior and added his own, additional, punishment. Whether this exception extended to the next night or whether Ryan did have some euphemous upper body injury, we will likely never know, unless Ryan himself tells us, and I doubt this will happen, because he is basically a pretty upstanding kid not normally given to whining or making excuses for himself. As well, Coach Jackson has had a policy all along that if you do receive a misconduct penalty he will also assess punishment and that punishment, in the bucket load of years that I've known him, has been to sit the offender down for the next game. Since Coach Jackson and I were in school at Michigan State at the same time, and I worked for the Michigan State team as an assistant manager, that will give you an idea of the bucketload of time.

        Now, in this next point, I am no longer entirely clear on the rules, since for some god awful silly reason, the NCAA seems wont to tinker with the rules year in and year out. Probably just to confuse us. But, my understanding is that major penalties, such as checking from behind, are escalating penalties. So, the first time in the year it happens you are gone for the rest of the game. Happens a 2nd time, you are gone for the game and the next game, happens a 3rd time, gone for the game and 2 additional games. Because different refs work games (I can hear the Thank the Lord, we couldn't tolerate having Shegos every single game), and are never sure who has done what from game to game (oh, let's be honest, for the most they aren't sure who has done what during the game itself), the escalating portion of the penalty is a league assessment, not a referee assessment. So, while Ryan's major got him booted from the game, the league would have cross referenced his major penalty in the game with previously played games this year and they would have discovered the other major penalty, and would have then handed Ryan the note saying he couldn't play the next game either. And those additional games carry over until you have sat for each and every one of them. So, if you are undisciplined enough to amass 5 majors in a year, and you get your 5th one on the last day of the season, you are going to be sitting on the bench the start of the next season as well. If memory serves, that escalating rule actually has a name, it's known as the Gretzky rule, and was instituted in an effort to stop a teams goon from going after the opposing team's best player in an effort to negate that best players impact on the game being played. I'm pretty certain that boys being boys, someone would have thought, hmm take out that 100 goal scorer early in the game, gives us a fighting chance in the game, and I just sit for the rest of the game, but since I took out that 100 goal scorer I would be a hero to my team. And they would do it game in and game out. For some reason, I'm having images of my beloved Basil McRae.....Anyway, I digress. It's one thing to take someone out if you are just going to sit for the rest of the game and get to play tomorrow like nothing happened, it's quite another to take someone out if you know you are going to sit for that game and the next 3, because you lost your marbles on 3 previous occasions.

        And don't waste your breath trying to flame me Grantfan, I'm headed to my beloved Ireland, where unlike Yue, I struggle to get a stream of the games because eircom sucks, so I don't even bother.
        Cindy

        God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
        Courage to change the things I can,
        And wisdom to know the difference.

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        • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

          Originally posted by Third Family Member View Post
          Now, in this next point, I am no longer entirely clear on the rules, ... Probably just to confuse us. But, my understanding is that major penalties, such as checking from behind, are escalating penalties. So, the first time in the year it happens you are gone for the rest of the game. Happens a 2nd time, you are gone for the game and the next game, happens a 3rd time, gone for the game and 2 additional games.(
          I think you are misunderstanding that. Not that I might not be also.

          Craig P.????

          Misconducts are just 10 minute penalties. You cussed at the ref, you sit for 10 minutes.

          Majors are penalties. A CFB against the boards is always a major, and with it comes the game misconduct. Those are not escalating.

          If a game disqualification is assessed, like for fighting, the player misses the rest of that game and the next. Those are escalating. So if he gets a 2nd one, he then misses the rest of that game and the next two, and so on.
          "Hockey is the only tribe I belong to." --Jack Falla

          "Why, as a matter of fact, I suggested starting a hockey program to Father Callahan, our president. He was downright interested until we came to the use of sticks, and then he threw up his hands. He said, 'No, that game is not for our University. Notre Dame will never endorse any game that puts a club in the hands of an Irishman.' " -- Knute Rockne: All American

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          • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

            "The captain's" CFB penalty did not carry with it a 2 minute penalty.

            The longer you people mull over the penalty and penalty minutes, the more confused you will all make yourself until, alas, JJFP will become correct. So, keep discussing and pay no attention to how simple it all is.

            Nice to know that Coach Jackson is, to his loyal minions, a, how you say in English, fibber? He is covering up for "the captain" by eupemising an injury. Ask Kevin Deeth if Coach Jackson covered up for him when he had to sit out a game for a misconduct. I recall the message being delivered loud and clear and with both barrels. But, if it suits JJFP's ASSumptions about extra misconducts and messages being sent by the coach, let's all know - wink, wink - that Coach Jackson is, how you say in English, fibbing about "the captain's" upper body injury.

            After the president of this country reached out to the Notre Dame and Catholic community in seeking a compromise position on abortion, on life itself, you people seem to have gotten quite comfortable with, how you say in English, fibbing. In fact, you ASSume it from otherwise blatantly honest people, like Jeff Jackson, if it fits JJFP's theory.

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            • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

              Is minic a bhris béal duine a shrón. Ní dhéanfach an saol capall rás d'asal.
              Cindy

              God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
              Courage to change the things I can,
              And wisdom to know the difference.

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              • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

                "Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. "
                Irish Hockey is my first and only religious belief
                and my faith never dies

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                • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

                  Originally posted by Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. View Post
                  I think you are misunderstanding that. Not that I might not be also.

                  Craig P.????

                  Misconducts are just 10 minute penalties. You cussed at the ref, you sit for 10 minutes.

                  Majors are penalties. A CFB against the boards is always a major, and with it comes the game misconduct. Those are not escalating.

                  If a game disqualification is assessed, like for fighting, the player misses the rest of that game and the next. Those are escalating. So if he gets a 2nd one, he then misses the rest of that game and the next two, and so on.
                  Any major penalty is accompanied by a 10-minute misconduct. They appear on the box score. He was not given 2 minutes for checking from behind according to the box score I saw.

                  Game disqualifications are the ones that escalate. This is what fighting is considered and is the reason most kids don't fight at the college level. Mosts 5-minute cfb calls get only game misconducts.
                  Embrace the hate.

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                  • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

                    Do you see how this has become a learning opportunity?

                    You are very welcome.

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                    • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

                      Originally posted by nmu_27 View Post
                      Any major penalty is accompanied by a 10-minute misconduct. They appear on the box score. He was not given 2 minutes for checking from behind according to the box score I saw.

                      Game disqualifications are the ones that escalate. This is what fighting is considered and is the reason most kids don't fight at the college level. Mosts 5-minute cfb calls get only game misconducts.
                      I abhor having to go through Piotrowski's version of the rule book for college hockey, which is online, but in PDF format. Can you give me the rule number for that, so I can go read the relevant rule myself without having to scroll though a gazillion pages on this aircard. When I was looking at it this morning, nowhere did it say that any major penalty is accompanied by a 10 minute misconduct. What it did say was that it was accompanied by a game misconduct or a game disqual. 60 pages later, my eyes were starting to cross in reading his whys and wherefores etc., etc.
                      Cindy

                      God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
                      Courage to change the things I can,
                      And wisdom to know the difference.

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                      • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

                        Originally posted by Third Family Member View Post
                        I abhor having to go through Piotrowski's version of the rule book for college hockey, which is online, but in PDF format. Can you give me the rule number for that, so I can go read the relevant rule myself without having to scroll though a gazillion pages on this aircard. When I was looking at it this morning, nowhere did it say that any major penalty is accompanied by a 10 minute misconduct. What it did say was that it was accompanied by a game misconduct or a game disqual. 60 pages later, my eyes were starting to cross in reading his whys and wherefores etc., etc.
                        Completely correct. Nowhere does it say it for any of the other major penalties. The checking from behind is given the game misconduct or DQ which is where the 10:00 shows up on the box score.

                        Most other serious major have a spot where a game DQ is mentioned, I was just too broad about saying it happens every time.

                        I found a game in 2005 where an NMU player was given a slashing major with no extra misconduct or DQ penalty. It just doesn't happen often.
                        Last edited by nmu_27; 11-24-2009, 02:05 PM.
                        Embrace the hate.

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                        • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

                          Originally posted by grantfan View Post
                          Troll alert, JJFP! Troll alert, JJFP!!

                          Do not mind me when I say it is downright embarrassing for someone who fashions herself an expert beyond reproach to not know that a 5-minute checking from behind penalty brings with it an automatic 10 minute muisconduct penalty. Do you really watch the games, JJFP, or do you go to games just to chit chat with your girlfriends? Have you never seen a checking from behind penalty called or have you just been doing your finger nails every time one was called? I am embarrassed for you for even thinking that "the captain" got a 10 minute misconduct for anything but the check from behind, let alone for mouthing off to the ref. You can discount me as a troll, JJFP, but you have discounted yourself with the ignorance you demonstrate in order to haul off on "the captain." And somehow linking your comments to the anniversary of the assassination of President Kennedy, well, if your venom was not so apparent, I would just wonder what brilliant analysis you were making that I could not comprehend. Alas, it was just a potent combination of venom and ignorance. But don't mind me, I'm just a troll.

                          And don't mind me, JJFP, when I say you compound your ignorance by assuming (and you do know what they say you make yourself when you ASSume, JJFP, don't you?) that "the captain" was benched by the coach to send a message to the team. When it turns out that "the captain" didn't play because he was injured, your ASSumption, in fact, made you into one. You may be happy "the captain" was injured, but your ASSumption revealed your personal animus. But don't mind me, I'm just a troll.

                          So, from your embarrasingly ignorant, malicious and faulty premise of the misconduct penalty followed by the benching to send a message, it is no great leap to link those wrong assumptions to the team's best performance of the season. Is your point to relieve "the captain" of the 'C' or that the team's best lineup is with "the captain" sitting in the stands? You are the expert, JJFP, and I am just a troll, you tell me.

                          Your feelings about "the captain" have been known, JJFP, but the depth of your dislike is clearly revealed by the embarrassing ignorance upon which you will rely to launch an assault. Hard to imagine what the kid has done to warrant your nasty personal attacks, oh wait, he took two minor penalties late in a game once. With fans like you, the team doesn't need to play road games.

                          I am embarrassed that I am a troll, JJFP. You, however, should be absolutely humiliated.

                          Happy Thanksgiving.
                          Who is this ***hole?
                          Originally posted by mookie1995
                          bc is superior to bu in nearly everything. while it is sad that it has come to it, it's the truth. if bu doesn't like it, improve.
                          Rep from Hokydad -"and your an old never been piece of ****"

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                          Why is anyone surprised that Old Pio is acting like a grumpy old f^ck? He is a grumpy old f^ck.

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                          • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

                            For a brief moment, BG under their new head coach was ahead of Michigan in the standings, having beaten them last Friday. This has been a strange season thus far...

                            BG is 2-9-1 and is led by freshman Jordan Samuels-Thomas. He's got 12 points and 2 of those are PPG's. Most of the rest of their top scoring is by seniors Tomas Petruska (10 points), Tommy Dee (7), and Kyle Page and Josh Byrd (5 each). Page also has 2 PPG's. Junior David Solway rounds out the top scorers with 7 points.

                            ND is 6-5-3. The Irish are led by a Swede. He's got 11 points, 4 of those being PPG's. Maday, Lawson and Ben Ryan also have 11 points, with Lawson registering 2 goals on the PP. Deeth (10) and Sheahan (9) round out the top list, with Sheahan also scoring 2 PPG's. Several others also have PPG's.

                            BG has split time in net between junior Nick Eno (2-5-0, .902 save %, 3.24 GA) and freshman Andrew Hammond (0-4-1, .896 save %, 3.82 GA). Eno has been the goalie of late, so I suspect he may be in net both nights.

                            ND has also split time between Phillips (2-3-2, .931 save %, 1.96 GA) and Johnson (3-2-1, .943 save %, 1.49 GA). I also expect that trend to continue.

                            BG's best O comes in the 3rd period, while their worst D happens in the first 2 periods of a game. They're averaging 2.0 GF while giving up an average of 3.67 GA.

                            ND's worst D comes in the last 2 periods, although they're making strides. Their O is distributed pretty evenly throughout the game. They're averaging 2.29 GF a game, a number I would kill to see above 3.25... They give up 1.79 GA. I'm fine with that one.

                            BG averages 6.5 penalties/game. Their PK operates at a 77.6% efficiency rate while their PP sits at 12.1% while averaging .66 PPG/game. They give up 1.25 PPG's/game.

                            ND averages 5.5 penalties/game. Their PK is back above 90%...90.6% to be exact. Their PP works 19.4% of the time while averaging a PPG/game and giving up less than 1/2 a PPG/game.

                            You can measure a man by the opposition it takes to discourage him.

                            Happy Thanksgiving to all.
                            "Hockey is the only tribe I belong to." --Jack Falla

                            "Why, as a matter of fact, I suggested starting a hockey program to Father Callahan, our president. He was downright interested until we came to the use of sticks, and then he threw up his hands. He said, 'No, that game is not for our University. Notre Dame will never endorse any game that puts a club in the hands of an Irishman.' " -- Knute Rockne: All American

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                            • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

                              I love this quote. Just thought i'd share it w/ you all! Go IRISH!


                              "Is ice hockey hard? I don't know, you tell me. We need to have the strength and power of a football player, the stamina of a marathon runner, and the concentraion of a brain surgeon. But we need to put all this together while moving at high speeds on a cold and slippery surface while 5 other guys use clubs to try and kill us, oh yeah did I mention that this whole time we're standing on blades 1/8 of an inch thick? Is ice hockey hard? I don't know, you tell me. Next question." -Brendan Shanahan
                              Notre Dame Hockey, its a way of life! ...ML

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                              • Re: The University of Notre Dame Hockey: 09-10. Let's Live It Up!

                                Originally posted by crazy_guy_in_section_1 View Post
                                I love this quote. Just thought i'd share it w/ you all! Go IRISH!


                                "Is ice hockey hard? I don't know, you tell me. We need to have the strength and power of a football player, the stamina of a marathon runner, and the concentraion of a brain surgeon. But we need to put all this together while moving at high speeds on a cold and slippery surface while 5 other guys use clubs to try and kill us, oh yeah did I mention that this whole time we're standing on blades 1/8 of an inch thick? Is ice hockey hard? I don't know, you tell me. Next question." -Brendan Shanahan
                                Kory, are you going to be at the games this weekend, or did you draw the short straw in who has to babysit the felons? Keating will be miffed if he doesn't get to go. So far, he has collected a real puck, and I think he's now angling for a real stick. None of this baby blow up stuff for him anymore. I wanted to at least see you before I take off for overseas or else I won't see you until after the first of the year.
                                Cindy

                                God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
                                Courage to change the things I can,
                                And wisdom to know the difference.

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