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    I mean Sophmore for Nyquist, its late, may bad.

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    • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

      Originally posted by Gibber View Post

      I somehow got an email sent through the old school email system that had what to and what not to do at a UNH hockey game... all of the cheers, the timings, etc.
      Are you sure it wasn't a carrier pigeon?

      zing!
      "Look to the end, no matter what it is you are considering. Often enough, God gives man a glimpse of happiness, and then utterly ruins him"

      -Herodotus

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      • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

        So, as I read these posts, I realize that these are the same arguments (made by mostly the same people) from 10 years ago. This is not healthy.

        A modest proposal (or, a "reboot" if you'd like):
        If you are not a student (or a recent alum), maybe you should step away from the front rows and let students take up the mantle on their own. What I imagine happening is that the first half of the season would be a somewhat quiet and subdued arena. However, what you will find is that students and recent alums who have been involved will teach other students the "traditional" cheers, as well as incorporate new ones, which need to happen.

        Each class must feel like they are putting their mark on the season and the traditions, which will organically develop throughout the cheering section and the arena. While I like "Two-Step," "Life is Life," the fish and all that; I recognize that those came from my class or before. Hand the reins over. If it initially flops, it flops. Someone will step up and bring life back.

        I understand that there are loyal people who want to continue to be on the vanguard of UNH rah-rah. However, I graduated in 1998 and the fact that many of the same faces are still the so-called spirit leaders can be seen as counter-productive. This doesn't happen at many schools, as alums fade into other parts of the arena. If I were an undergrad at UNH now, and saw 30-somethings ostensibly running the student section, I would certainly be put off and loath to participate.

        If this seems like a flame, it is not. I rarely chime in anymore, and other than the 2-3 games I go to, I pretty much follow the team from the newspaper. That said, I am still an avid fan, watch them on television when I can, and would consider a UNH hockey championship the co-pinnacle of my sports spectating life (along with the Red Sox in 2004). I truly believe think a "reboot" of the student section would go a long way in changing the tenor and making a UNH road game one of the toughest places for opponents to play.

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        • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

          Originally posted by Mark Laliberte View Post
          So, as I read these posts, I realize that these are the same arguments (made by mostly the same people) from 10 years ago. This is not healthy.

          A modest proposal (or, a "reboot" if you'd like):
          If you are not a student (or a recent alum), maybe you should step away from the front rows and let students take up the mantle on their own. What I imagine happening is that the first half of the season would be a somewhat quiet and subdued arena. However, what you will find is that students and recent alums who have been involved will teach other students the "traditional" cheers, as well as incorporate new ones, which need to happen.

          Each class must feel like they are putting their mark on the season and the traditions, which will organically develop throughout the cheering section and the arena. While I like "Two-Step," "Life is Life," the fish and all that; I recognize that those came from my class or before. Hand the reins over. If it initially flops, it flops. Someone will step up and bring life back.

          I understand that there are loyal people who want to continue to be on the vanguard of UNH rah-rah. However, I graduated in 1998 and the fact that many of the same faces are still the so-called spirit leaders can be seen as counter-productive. This doesn't happen at many schools, as alums fade into other parts of the arena. If I were an undergrad at UNH now, and saw 30-somethings ostensibly running the student section, I would certainly be put off and loath to participate.

          If this seems like a flame, it is not. I rarely chime in anymore, and other than the 2-3 games I go to, I pretty much follow the team from the newspaper. That said, I am still an avid fan, watch them on television when I can, and would consider a UNH hockey championship the co-pinnacle of my sports spectating life (along with the Red Sox in 2004). I truly believe think a "reboot" of the student section would go a long way in changing the tenor and making a UNH road game one of the toughest places for opponents to play.
          Most excellente poste mon ami, I gonna reps you when I figuring out ow. I agree wit it alls.

          Et you not flaming no one but maybe I gonna. Going to UNHs game used to be cool ting to do – meaning “cool” keeds did it. Et dat gived de game ze differente vibe, et I tink it gived de creative cheers, d’atmosphere, etc.

          Maintenant, zee vibe is tres tres geeky, “gay”, pathetique even if you wanna go dat far. It becomed da province a de heavyset lonely keeds on campus who ave nutting else to do. Et I tink dat whys de still der not giving it ups, cuz it de firste ting de evure did fun or cool et de still got nowhere else to go. So now we getting a lot of people out of school in de mid to late 20s wearing de white UNHs jersey, making zee signs in dey spare time.

          I sorry mes amies, if I some otshot 18 ou 19 year olde juste on campus et I go to zee game et see a bunch of older fat bearded people all in white UNHs jerseys wif dey leetle signs standing up in da first five row I ain’t gonna be impressed. Sorry. See you later, I goin to de party somewhere.

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          • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

            Originally posted by Jacques "Rabbit" Poriveau View Post
            Et you not flaming no one but maybe I gonna.
            I'm shocked.
            Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion. You must first set yourself on fire.
            -Fred Shero

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            • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

              So if I've missed this question/answer, apologies for repetition.

              Did any other school play every FF team this season?

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              • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

                Originally posted by Verkligen View Post
                So if I've missed this question/answer, apologies for repetition.

                Did any other school play every FF team this season?
                Running down RIT's schedule, MSU-M played both RIT and Wisconsin, but not BC or Miami. Denver played Wisco, RIT, and BC, but not Miami.

                So, no.

                Originally posted by Clark-Hislop-Cox
                Im"poster" Update

                Having read the UNH threads for a couple of years, I figured out that Nick P.topo gigio and Carmine S.paghetti are the same person. However, I now believe I incorrectly identified Jacques, the French Henny Youngman (except he's not funny) as the third personality of Nick/Carmine. The first clue - I now realize that Nick/Carmine is an acquaintance of Matt (thecomicbookguy) and I can't imagine that the diminutive BC fan would savage Matt the way Jacques has been doing. I applaud Matt for taking the high road in the face of the needless personal attacks.
                I'm pretty sure that the bunny is a reincarnation of a banned poster, who was actually a UNH fan; I'm very sure that it is not a pinhead alias.
                Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion. You must first set yourself on fire.
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                • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

                  The student sections cheers should be led by students. I agree that the status quo has led to no innovation. Unless, of course, you consider innovation stealing other schools cheers.

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                  • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

                    Originally posted by scoreboard View Post
                    The student sections cheers should be led by students. I agree that the status quo has led to no innovation. Unless, of course, you consider innovation stealing other schools cheers.
                    Students are free to start/lead cheers. Problem is, they don't. And the haven't for years. (And, as has been noted, the people leading the cheers haven't been students for a long time.)

                    You know what, though? Fine. I'm done with the bell (it's broken again anyway). The people who should be cheering along aren't, don't like me, and the consensus seems to be that we need a change. I'm not a leader, and never wanted to be. I just enjoy playing the bell. Find a student, give them a bell, and let's see what happens. Hell, maybe it will actually work.

                    I will make one prediction - if the students do start cheering again, be prepared for vulgarity. You parents who currently don't participate in the "sieve" chant or the penalty chant because of the "you suck" or "b!itch", get ready for a whole host of "new" cheers that you won't want your kids hearing, let alone repeating. And yeah, I know there will be an effort to "clean up" the cheers. Good luck with that. They tried that when I was in school (pretty much just for the "you suck" during the intros), and most students just laughed at it.

                    (btw, the justification for the STH's not participating in those two cheers just seems off to me. It's not like the "offending" words are integral to the cheer - just don't say them. Your kids are hearing the words - can't put the genie back in the bottle - teach them to do the cheer cleanly.)
                    Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion. You must first set yourself on fire.
                    -Fred Shero

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                    • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

                      Originally posted by Mark Laliberte View Post
                      ...I truly believe think a "reboot" of the student section would go a long way in changing the tenor and making a UNH road game one of the toughest places for opponents to play.
                      While the fact that non-students are leading the cheers may play a part in putting off current students, the more I think about it, I've come to a different analysis.

                      By all accounts there were always organized cheers, whether in Snively and the Whitt. So what is the difference?

                      In my opinion, in the past the general excitement around the program created a constant "buzz" in the arena. The organized cheers were there, but they were just one part of it. Think about Fenway. Sure, there are a few "Let's Go Red Sox" chants, but for the most part the noise there is not organized. It just happens, and imo it is due to the overall excitement surrounding the team.

                      With UNH that excitement has dwindled over the years, and as it does, the "buzz" diminishes. We are now to the point where the "buzz" has disappeared so completely that it leaves only the organized cheers.

                      This leads to an attitude which views "cheering" as individual acts unconnected to anything else. So fans/students do a cheer, and then just stop until it's time for the next cheer.

                      The attitude/culture of the fan needs to change. Fans/students need to view the game as a whole, and that they have 60 minutes to yell, clap, and make noise. And while what they are yelling may change, it is simply one part of a larger whole.

                      At least that is how I see it.
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                      • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

                        Originally posted by thecomicbookguy View Post
                        Students are free to start/lead cheers. Problem is, they don't. And the haven't for years. (And, as has been noted, the people leading the cheers haven't been students for a long time.)
                        Adam was never a student, was he? That didn't seem to bother anybody when he was doing it.

                        I don't think enough students actually know that they can start cheers; the expect everything to come from down front, which is too bad.

                        Originally posted by thecomicbookguy View Post
                        You know what, though? Fine. I'm done with the bell (it's broken again anyway). The people who should be cheering along aren't, don't like me, and the consensus seems to be that we need a change. I'm not a leader, and never wanted to be. I just enjoy playing the bell. Find a student, give them a bell, and let's see what happens. Hell, maybe it will actually work.
                        *sighs* I'm sorry, Matt; this was NOT where this thread was supposed to go, at least in my mind. I was afraid of this; instead of the posters on here coming up with a unified front, we're just fighting amongst ourselves. That's not going to fix anything. I will make one comment about that paragraph, though: I think many people expect the person with the bell to be a leader, and since that's not your thing, there hasn't been a strong leader of anything else (especially since so many of our cheers rely on the bell for rythym). When you took over, there was never another clear vocal person to lead cheers, it sort of jumped around. Something to think about, and try to correct.

                        Originally posted by thecomicbookguy View Post
                        I will make one prediction - if the students do start cheering again, be prepared for vulgarity. You parents who currently don't participate in the "sieve" chant or the penalty chant because of the "you suck" or "b!itch", get ready for a whole host of "new" cheers that you won't want your kids hearing, let alone repeating. And yeah, I know there will be an effort to "clean up" the cheers. Good luck with that. They tried that when I was in school (pretty much just for the "you suck" during the intros), and most students just laughed at it.

                        (btw, the justification for the STH's not participating in those two cheers just seems off to me. It's not like the "offending" words are integral to the cheer - just don't say them. Your kids are hearing the words - can't put the genie back in the bottle - teach them to do the cheer cleanly.)
                        That's like predicting the sun will rise tomorrow; I think we both KNOW it's going to happen.
                        I haven't been on here in a year...
                        Now I'm a dad. Holy crap.

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                        • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

                          Folks, what happened to this thread? Where did all the posters from the first 4 pages go? Everybody giving up already?

                          Too many things happened at once:
                          Some people were trying to find new ideas.
                          Some people were just ripping on the old practices.

                          Unfortunately, the people ripping on the old cheers and cheerleaders had nothing new, or productive, to offer. Just, "they shouldn't lead cheers anymore." That sort of blanket statement doesn't solve anything!

                          If we posters (a small % of the actual crowd at the Whit) seriously want to affect change at the Whit, we need to put aside our personal difference, and our pride, and think about the best way to do this. I tried this earlier with no responses, I'm going to try it again.

                          My proposals:
                          1.) For at least one more season, the Hosers need to be an integral part of the student section. However, they must at least strongly consider finding an appropriate way to 'pass the mantle', if it's determined that it will get students more involved. The problem is, no students have seemed to want to step up, but I think that's mostly because it's never been an option. Perhaps working with Amber, and other folk from Athletics, would lead to an opportunity for a small number of students to (for lack of a better word) 'audition' to do what the Hoser's do now.

                          2.) We need to find a way to be more inclusive of everybody in the building. It used to be there was an expectation on the students to stand, participate in the organized cheers, start their own, simpler cheers, and just make general noise through the game. The Season Ticket Holders were happy to participate in the 'cleaner' organized cheers (remember when Beat 'Em was half done with over half the Whit?) The result, back in the late 90's early 00's, was a nearly deafening building. Freak's right, the general buzz around the team has slipped, but the fact is many people paid to attend these games, to watch good hockey, but also for a good atmosphere. Many that I've talked to have said "if there was a way we could be included without having to stand or be vulgar, we'd be all for it."

                          Matt throwing up his hands in frustration and saying he's done playing the cowbell is not the answer. For any of the old traditions to carry over, people here must be willing to organize a group of new students to learn from the Hosers, and make a transition (if that's what we agree would be best -- and I've yet to be convinced of that). A unified group of us posters would go a long way towards connecting with UNH Athletics, and in turn the rest of the people attending games, towards rebuilding the atmosphere at the Whit. But before we can make any progress, we have to decide to get along here.
                          I haven't been on here in a year...
                          Now I'm a dad. Holy crap.

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                          • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

                            Originally posted by unhpuckfan2001 View Post
                            For any of the old traditions to carry over, people here must be willing to organize a group of new students to learn from the Hosers, and make a transition
                            Why? How bout you juste letting da currente students come to da game and do what dey want? Et da reste of you gets da life et move on - like de naturale order of tings.

                            Da facte de is de Hosers eez parte of de probleme. I garuntee der ALOTs of new keeds on campus who see a bunch of fat white shirt wearing GRWNED UPs wit dey leetle signs calling dey selfs de Hosers and dem new keeds saying to demselves non ***** way, tanks mais non tanks.

                            Da hole ting ave become very "gaie". "You ave to be dis way, got it!" "Non, I no gots it buddy, guess whats, de laste ting I wanna be is juste like you,"

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                            • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

                              Originally posted by unhpuckfan2001 View Post
                              Folks, what happened to this thread? Where did all the posters from the first 4 pages go? Everybody giving up already?
                              For me it is simple.

                              1) Get the band involved more. Schools with great atmosphere use the band (Cornell, Wisco, even Maine) to lead many, many cheers. Why? Well the music becomes the que and in that way gets everybody on the same page.

                              2) The guy with the cowbell always used to be the leader. At a minimum sat next to the leader. Why the cowbell leads cheers as it establishes rhythm and again clues people in to what the cheer is. The Cowbell doesn't join cheers it starts cheers and leads cheers.

                              I do believe there are some traditions that need to be passed along. Changes in this type of stuff happen from evolution not reinvention.
                              "Now Progress Takes Away What Forever Took To Find" Dave Matthews Band, The Dreaming Tree

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                              • Re: UNH Wildcats 2010 off-season thread

                                Originally posted by unhpuckfan2001 View Post
                                *sighs* I'm sorry, Matt; this was NOT where this thread was supposed to go, at least in my mind. I was afraid of this; instead of the posters on here coming up with a unified front, we're just fighting amongst ourselves. That's not going to fix anything. I will make one comment about that paragraph, though: I think many people expect the person with the bell to be a leader, and since that's not your thing, there hasn't been a strong leader of anything else (especially since so many of our cheers rely on the bell for rythym). When you took over, there was never another clear vocal person to lead cheers, it sort of jumped around. Something to think about, and try to correct.
                                I'm not fighting, and I'm not going to fight (and you've no reason to be sorry, I don't think this sentiment is coming from you). You're right, I'm not a leader, I rarely start cheers, and I'm not the type of person who will get other fans fired up. Some people have told me they like what we do, but that's mostly season ticket holders from the reserved sections (i.e. adults). The students have never said anything to me, but apparently dislike me more than I'd suspected. So, I'm done.

                                As far as the "clear vocal person to lead cheers", we had the boys, you, and Irish leading cheers. I know Rob thinks I should have played it more often during games, and I was reluctant, so yeah, you probably have a point, and another reason for me to call it quits.

                                I'm pretty sure the Hosers are still going to be in the front row, and still manning the signs (they're for the players/coaches more than the fans - that's why they face the ice), but I will not be playing the bell.
                                Success is not the result of spontaneous combustion. You must first set yourself on fire.
                                -Fred Shero

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