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Not about anything specific from tonight's game, this just seems like a good a place as any to throw out my idea on the general subject.
I think there's lots of room for improvement in this area. First of all, I'd like to see a change to the "intent to blow the whistle" rule where it doesn't apply in situations where the ref only intended to blow the whistle because they weren't in a good position to see the puck. I've always felt the spirit of the rule was to prevent players trying to shove a puck that's been frozen into the net before the whistle blows (and to a lesser extent, things like when a ref falls down and can't get to his whistle), and should not be applicable to these kinds of situations.
Also, I think refs tend to be way too trigger-happy about blowing the play dead when they lose sight of the puck. They've got four sets of eyes out there, use them. There has to be something they can do where the decision to blow the play dead isn't solely on the shoulders of one ref, especially when so many goals are being nullified as a result of the play being blown dead prematurely.
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Originally posted by Gurtholfin View PostI pretty much blame the Susans for today's crap-fest of an afternoon game. BC-UND would have been great and like you said, if UND would've showed, they'd be going to Detwat in two weeks.
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Originally posted by chapmaja View PostWhat is the rule on a delayed penalty call? Is the whistle blown when the puck is touched by the offending team or is when the offending team controls the puck? The puck apparently was touched, but not controlled by Miami before Michigan knocked it in the net.
b. If an infraction of the rules calling for a minor, bench minor, major or disqualification penalty is committed by a player of the team not in possession of the puck, the appropriate on-ice official shall signal the calling of a penalty and immediately upon completion of the play by the team in possession, blow the whistle and the penalty shall be assessed by a referee.
If the penalty or penalties to be imposed are minor penalties (while the teams are at equal strength) and a goal is scored on the play by the non- offending team, the first minor penalty shall not be imposed. However, all other infractions shall be imposed in the normal manner, regardless of whether a goal is scored. If any other penalties are committed on the same play or after the appropriate on-ice official has stopped play, the offending players shall be penalized (see 4-2-d).
If, after the referee has signaled a penalty (but before the whistle has been blown), the puck enters the goal of the non-offending team as the direct result of the action of a player of that team, the goal shall be allowed and the penalty signaled shall be assessed.
c. The appropriate on-ice official shall use a “delayed whistle” when a foul is committed against the team in possession of the puck, thereby postponing the stoppage of play until the offending team shall have possession and control of the puck.
The last player to control the puck, other than the goalkeeper, is the last player to be deemed in possession of the puck. Control of the puck is defined as the act of propelling the puck with the stick, hand or skate.
Possession and control is not a rebound off the goalkeeper, an opposing player, the goal or the boards or any incidental contact with the body or equipment of an opposing player. Batting the puck with the hand or kicking the puck is considered to be controlling the puck. Touching the puck (e.g., poke check or deflection) is not considered control of the puck.
During a delayed penalty, a goal may not be scored by the penalized team as a result of a deflection off of a penalized team player.
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Originally posted by Brenthoven View PostI'm gonna have to shower after saying this, but if UND simply showed up, they woulda made some serious noise. They completely overlooked Yale, crapped the bed, choose your cliche. They are a better team than they showed this weekend.
No, I'm NOT taking anything away from Yale in that game. They worked hard for that win, and it showed.
Disappointed at the showing of the WCHA in the round of 16, but also too bad that the NCAA stuck 2 of the 4 WCHA entries in St. Paul to knock each other out (and ditto the 2 CCHA entries in Ft. Wayne, who played the tourney's best game so far and probably both deserved to go per the caliber of their play).
I will root for a Miami-Badgers final. (I can now root at least a little for Badgers now that Jeff Sauer thug hockey is no longer played in Madison.) But Miami will be my horse in this race.
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Originally posted by MichFan View PostHe must have blown the whistle because he thought that it was buried, and he was wrong.Current NCAA D-I rinks I've been to:
AHA:
B1G: UMich, MSU, UMinn, Notre Dame, OSU, UWisc
CCHA: BSU, BG, FSU, LSSU, MSU, MTU, NMU
ECAC:
HEA: UMass
NCHC: Miami, UMD, UND, SCSU, WMU
Independant: ASU
Inactive: UAH, ASU, BSU, UMD, UND, NMU, Notre Dame
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No, no, no, no. Miami's second goal came after the puck was covered under Hunwick's right pad, and Cannone jammed his stick under the pad for the goal. they DIDNT blow the play dead then, so considering that the puck was NEVER COVERED in this case, it was NOT fair "relative to the officiating in the rest of the game"
Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View PostWhat these guys said.
Whether they lost sight of it, or felt that Knapp covered it, they had enough reason to blow it dead. Even if it wasn't the right call, it was fair relative to the officiating in the rest of the game. There were missed calls both ways. It happens all the time, and you have to play through it.
To say it another way: You never lose in overtime by one call. You had 60 minutes to win the game, and you went to overtime. Anyone want to claim that Michigan didn't have any chancees to win in regulation? Is that one "missed" call the only reason they didn't win?
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Originally posted by moose97 View PostI broadcast a lot of hockey on the radio, and used to get very upset when an official would blow the play dead when the puck was still loose. However, a few years ago, after talking to several officials about it, their response was, paraphrasing, "hey, if we can't see the puck, we can't see the puck!" Ever since, I've defended officials on quick/bad whistles where they are even slightly out of position. And I don't even think the referee was out of position, or had a quick whistle here. Just 2¢ from an unbiased observer.
Whatever. He was in the corner and couldn't see the play. Had he been in the other corner, it's game over.
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Originally posted by moose97 View PostI broadcast a lot of hockey on the radio, and used to get very upset when an official would blow the play dead when the puck was still loose. However, a few years ago, after talking to several officials about it, their response was, paraphrasing, "hey, if we can't see the puck, we can't see the puck!" Ever since, I've defended officials on quick/bad whistles where they are even slightly out of position. And I don't even think the referee was out of position, or had a quick whistle here. Just 2¢ from an unbiased observer.
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Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
And do I have to bring up that alternate jersey you guys had, with Bucky? Google even thinks it's too ugly to have on their search. I KNOW you know what I'm talking about.
Anyway, the Miami - UM game was crazy... Both teams had 60 minutes to win it, and I thought Michigan had it in the first OT, but Miami came through with good energy right away in the 2nd OT and, when it was all said and done the #1 seed won.Wisconsin Hockey is life... Everything else is just filler.
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Originally posted by kdilks View PostThey've got four sets of eyes out there, use them. There has to be something they can do where the decision to blow the play dead isn't solely on the shoulders of one ref, especially when so many goals are being nullified as a result of the play being blown dead prematurely.
To the extent the other refs can yell "LOOSE!!!" - it helps but is hardly a foolproof system And they should be doing that already - if my beer league refs do that, so can NCAA refs.
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Here's a good example of a goal that was disallowed that should have counted. The ref is in good position to see the puck. It's under the goalie's pad, but, as the overhead view shows, it's not frozen and still moving toward the goal line. That's why the ref didn't blow the whistle. The MTU players see this, too, and continue poking at the puck. Zajac knocks the puck in and the ref who's right on top of the play signals a goal.
But the goal was disallowed because the ref said he blew his whistle, even though it's obvious he didn't. Very bizarre call.
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The question here is what constitutes possession of the puck? There was a delayed penalty being called. On the flip side of what happened, what if Knapp had the puck and the ref doesn't blow the whistle, allowing guys to hack away and knock the puck in? He lost sight of the puck and from his view it appeared Knapp had the puck...you can't wait forever. Tough call to make either way.
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Originally posted by J.D. View PostThe question here is what constitutes possession of the puck? There was a delayed penalty being called. On the flip side of what happened, what if Knapp had the puck and the ref doesn't blow the whistle, allowing guys to hack away and knock the puck in? He lost sight of the puck and from his view it appeared Knapp had the puck...you can't wait forever. Tough call to make either way.
It's a debate we'll continue to have.I haven't been on here in a year...
Now I'm a dad. Holy crap.
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well part of what's frustrating is that it didn't really appear Knapp had the puck -- Knapp was looking around for the puck and clearly had no idea where the puck was.
Originally posted by J.D. View PostThe question here is what constitutes possession of the puck? There was a delayed penalty being called. On the flip side of what happened, what if Knapp had the puck and the ref doesn't blow the whistle, allowing guys to hack away and knock the puck in? He lost sight of the puck and from his view it appeared Knapp had the puck...you can't wait forever. Tough call to make either way.
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