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  • RedFreak
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    Re: NCAA is Missing the Boat

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    You can have full buildings and not give unworthy teams home ice -- play the first two rounds at top seeds. If that means a #16 small school has to deal with 12k screaming #1 big school fans, so be it. If that means a #16 big school has to deal with 4k screaming #1 small school fans, so be it.
    I agree. Chalk the regionals up as a noble experiment that didn't work out. No shame in that.

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  • Kepler
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    You can have full buildings and not give unworthy teams home ice -- play the first two rounds at top seeds. If that means a #16 small school has to deal with 12k screaming #1 big school fans, so be it. If that means a #16 big school has to deal with 4k screaming #1 small school fans, so be it.

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  • Sparty Foxbat
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    All you nancies coming up with clever things like "NC$$", who's supposed to pay for it? Honest question. Clearly nothing makes money except for the basketball tournament on whose coattails just about every other sport rides. It's not like they're raking in enormous profits, and I don't see any extravagant wastes of money.

    I'm going to take a wild guess that the NCAA has already done some kind of market survey and does not think $10 tickets will more than triple the attendance to the games. I'm sure some regional committees sucked (Grand Rapids wasn't bad but still no sell out for Notre Dame - MSU) but I genuinely want to know what your cost structure should be. Charge more for basketball? Who exactly is supposed to pay to organize an arena so people can watch RIT and Bemijdi State play?

    (China is the correct answer).

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  • alfablue
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    Our complaining kind of put the NCAA into this position.

    Out west, we would host regional on-campus to packed arenas- had the Midwest been at Yost, or probably any other high ranked school, it would have been more people. Even East Lansing and Oxford would fill more.

    But everyone complained about the home ice advantage.

    So we get more neutral games, and no automatic season ticket holder fan base. Instant half.

    We are a small group of enthusiests. Either we give some schools home ice advantage and big crowds, or empty, lifeless arenas for more time.

    At least St. Paul probably had Minny faithful who like college hockey.

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  • aktick
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    Originally posted by state of hockey View Post
    I just hate how sterile the environment is. No atmosphere whatsoever. NCAA symbols cover everything local. Half the concessions closed. It's ridiculous, makes it very hard to get into the game. I got more into the games in other regions because is was watching them on TV, not sitting in a sterilized bunker.
    Yep, atmosphere is huge for me...I know I've been spoiled going to games at the Coliseum/Kohl Center my entire life, but it's just not nearly as interesting for me to watch UW play in a half (or third, or quarter) full arena with piped in music. And I would tolerate the stale environment if ticket prices weren't so ridiculous. Now that I'm a homeowner, I would rather put money towards future home improvements or whatever...UNLESS the arena atmosphere is going to be great, like at the Resch, KC, etc.

    Also, I'd rather spend money going to an exciting Blackhawks game where the arena isn't sterilized by the NCAA and people are into it.

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  • TUSCHWI
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    Re: NCAA is Missing the Boat

    Originally posted by 4035 View Post
    ALBANY -

    RIT vs Denver - Attendance: N/A but assume same as other game - 4073
    New Hampshire vs Cornell - Attendance: 4073
    RIT vs New Hampshire - Attendance: 3737
    Average attendance - 3961

    ST PAUL:

    UVM vs Wisconsin - Attendance: 7281
    Northern Michigan vs St. Cloud State - Attendance: N/A but assume same as other game - 7281
    St. Cloud State vs Wisconsin - Attendance: 7182

    Average attendance - 7248

    WORCESTER:
    Yale vs North Dakota - Attendance: 6572
    Yale vs Boston College - Attendance: 6054
    Alaska vs Boston College - Attendance: 6572

    Average attendance - 6399

    FORT WAYNE

    Michigan vs Bemidji State - Attendance: 4133
    Alabama-Huntsville vs Miami - Attendance: N/A but assume same as other game 4133
    Michigan vs Miami - Attendance: 3204

    Average attendance – 3823

    Total average per game – 5,358

    Smaller host rinks???
    I'm with you 4035. It looks awful having all the empty seats. The NCAA could make just as much money using smaller rinks and it would be a better visual product. The 8000 seat Resch Center in Green Bay comes to mind. Albeit in 2006, the Badgers were there but still.

    There are newer rinks coming online all the time (the new DECC in Duluth) that could host. I don't know enough about the East Rinks but what about the Quinnipiac (sp?) facility? Isn't that relatively new? Get Q or Yale in the tournament, or any of a number of teams from around there, and it would be filled.

    I think one of the problems that happens most years is that spring breaks are happening about this time. My daughter was off this past week and the UW students were heading out for their break on Saturday. That's a lot of bodies who might normally go but aren't available. The NC$$ needs to figure that out. Oh, and if the WCHA insists on having the Final 5 in Minneapolis every year, then the NCAA regional shouldn't be there. There is only so much $$ that people can afford on consecutive weekends, especially these days.

    That's my rant.
    Last edited by TUSCHWI; 03-29-2010, 02:03 PM.

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  • TigerFan86-87
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    Re: NCAA is Missing the Boat

    Originally posted by MagnessMan View Post
    Albany sucked big time.
    +Show the other games in the lobby
    +Show highlights from other games on the Jumbo-tron during ESPN's five hour commercial breaks that run every two minutes
    +Post scores
    Yes, Yes, Yes, and Yes... although with the caveat that highlights on that video board in Albany would be a little difficult to decipher. Not the best picture quality on that thing.
    I couldn't believe how they absoltely paid no nevermind to the fact that there were other regional games going on that many of us in the arena were interested in... Of course, I should probably step into the 2010's and get a phone that could help me check these things myself

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  • 4035
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    Re: NCAA is Missing the Boat

    ALBANY -

    RIT vs Denver - Attendance: N/A but assume same as other game - 4073
    New Hampshire vs Cornell - Attendance: 4073
    RIT vs New Hampshire - Attendance: 3737
    Average attendance - 3961

    ST PAUL:

    UVM vs Wisconsin - Attendance: 7281
    Northern Michigan vs St. Cloud State - Attendance: N/A but assume same as other game - 7281
    St. Cloud State vs Wisconsin - Attendance: 7182

    Average attendance - 7248

    WORCESTER:
    Yale vs North Dakota - Attendance: 6572
    Yale vs Boston College - Attendance: 6054
    Alaska vs Boston College - Attendance: 6572

    Average attendance - 6399

    FORT WAYNE

    Michigan vs Bemidji State - Attendance: 4133
    Alabama-Huntsville vs Miami - Attendance: N/A but assume same as other game 4133
    Michigan vs Miami - Attendance: 3204

    Average attendance – 3823

    Total average per game – 5,358

    Smaller host rinks???

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  • RedFreak
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    Re: NCAA is Missing the Boat

    Originally posted by state of hockey View Post
    I just hate how sterile the environment is. No atmosphere whatsoever. NCAA symbols cover everything local. Half the concessions closed. It's ridiculous, makes it very hard to get into the game. I got more into the games in other regions because is was watching them on TV, not sitting in a sterilized bunker.
    Didn't go to the St. Paul Regional, but I was sitting at home, listening to the radio, imagining that it was the same as the WCHA Final Five. Guess that's not the case, huh?

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  • bigmrg74
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    Re: NCAA is Missing the Boat

    Originally posted by michpuckhead View Post
    The official attendance for the Michigan - Bemidji game was 4,133. I didn't go to the final tonight and haven't seen a box score yet. According to the website, the War Memorial Coliseum in Fort Wayne holds 13,000.

    I've long said that college hockey is the best kept secret in sports. Even when Michigan or MSU is in Grand Rapids they only get ~6,000 in a 10K seat arena. On the other hand, Joe Louis draws large crowds for their college games and the UM-MSU game usually sells out (20,000).

    IMO, the NCAA is the primary culprit as they try to strip the fun and atmosphere out of everything. Case in point last night in Fort Wayne. NCAA officials greeted a family of UM fans at the gate and informed them that their small children could not bring in their thunder sticks. Who gives a sh*t? The sight of NCAA suits regulating a couple of 6 year-olds was beyond ridiculous.

    UPDATE: Tonight's attendance for UM - Miami was 3,204. Good grief.
    Yeah, its pretty **** rediculous that they were the cheapest tickets to get inside of the Arena at Fort Wayne there was 30 bucks, for a nosebleed. Not that the view was bad from up there, just that it looks bad to not have people filling in the lower bowl there. Given that the local club that plays there sells those lower bowl tickets for 20, thats high enough to keep the locals from showing up to a game. You make those lower bowl tickets 25, and the nose bleeds 20, and they would have easily had another 1 or 2 thousand there. Also, still not even sure why they opened up the nose bleeds on the Even side. You have more of those people sitting down somewhere in the bowl ends and it would have looked better. Plus, you wouldn't have had people up there to open up the consession stands up there, and they could have had another body or two working the rooftop bar there, the one place where you could get a drink there.

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  • michpuckhead
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    As pointed out, tickets are way too expensive, too. I got a $10 ticket at the Joe for the CCHA championship game (17,000+ in attendance) but an all-session ticket for Fort Wayne was $87 plus ticketmaster fees so ~$100 to sit in a lifeless tomb. I opted to go only Saturday for $50 and didn't even go to the first game. That's by far the most expensive UM hockey ticket I've ever had outside of the FF. I wonder if the ban on beer sales forces venues to inflate ticket prices to offset the lost revenue stream.

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  • state of hockey
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    I just hate how sterile the environment is. No atmosphere whatsoever. NCAA symbols cover everything local. Half the concessions closed. It's ridiculous, makes it very hard to get into the game. I got more into the games in other regions because is was watching them on TV, not sitting in a sterilized bunker.

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  • michpuckhead
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    Re: NCAA is Missing the Boat

    Originally posted by bucky15 View Post
    How was the attendence in the other regions?
    The official attendance for the Michigan - Bemidji game was 4,133. I didn't go to the final tonight and haven't seen a box score yet. According to the website, the War Memorial Coliseum in Fort Wayne holds 13,000.

    I've long said that college hockey is the best kept secret in sports. Even when Michigan or MSU is in Grand Rapids they only get ~6,000 in a 10K seat arena. On the other hand, Joe Louis draws large crowds for their college games and the UM-MSU game usually sells out (20,000).

    IMO, the NCAA is the primary culprit as they try to strip the fun and atmosphere out of everything. Case in point last night in Fort Wayne. NCAA officials greeted a family of UM fans at the gate and informed them that their small children could not bring in their thunder sticks. Who gives a sh*t? The sight of NCAA suits regulating a couple of 6 year-olds was beyond ridiculous.

    UPDATE: Tonight's attendance for UM - Miami was 3,204. Good grief.
    Last edited by michpuckhead; 03-29-2010, 02:47 AM. Reason: New attendance figures

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  • bucky15
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    Originally posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
    * The other games were on in the lobby at the XCel.

    * They aren't going to serve beer. Don't bother to ask.

    * It is competitive - insofar as the NCAA wants to see who will guarantee them the most money.

    * Given NCAA staffing, they must rely on the schools and host venues for work. With all of the events going on - hockey, hoops at three levels in two sexes, etc. etc and so on - the NCAA would have to be even bigger to staff regionals themselves. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

    * The Xcel had hamster ball races, sled races, human bowling, kids getting dressed in hockey gear race, t-shirt tosses, etc...

    * The scoreboard/pa solicited people (more than once) to go to a website to fill out a survey about their experience.
    The only problem I had was the price of a ticket. The tickets for the West region games were $52, which is a lot when you already have to drive four hours to get to the game. I don't understand why they were so high. I think if the ticket prices drop to 30/35 a lot more local people show up to the game, which would make the overall experience better instead of only having 7k in a place that seats 18k. How was the attendence in the other regions? I really thought SCSU would have a student section...they had about 20 fans below there band. I was surprised by the lack of SCSU students. Overall my experience was great, which probably has to do with UW going to the frozen four.

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  • GB Puck Fan
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    Originally posted by MagnessMan View Post
    So my brother and I were sitting there watching RIT thump UNH last night talking about how the NCAA is really missing a golden opportunity with the regionals.

    They seem to have just written the whole thing off. The way the system works it's left to the host committee to make it work. Albany sucked big time.
    Here are a few ideas. Add yours and maybe someone in the bureaucracy will take notice.

    +Show the other games in the lobby

    +Serve beer!

    +Make the bids competitive--make the potential sites show what they are going to bring to the table

    +Manage the event--put a team in charge don't just leave it up to a school/host committee.

    +Have some contests to promote/build school spirit especially schools that don't make it. Bring in their bands and mascots. Get creative

    +Hire a firm to poll people at all four sites to refine the experience (wake up people--you've got all or most of the CH fans in the country as a potential audience. Yes, we're a relatively small crowd but we're also educated and have some spending cash.

    I'm sure there are countless other could ideas--bring em on.

    * The other games were on in the lobby at the XCel.

    * They aren't going to serve beer. Don't bother to ask.

    * It is competitive - insofar as the NCAA wants to see who will guarantee them the most money.

    * Given NCAA staffing, they must rely on the schools and host venues for work. With all of the events going on - hockey, hoops at three levels in two sexes, etc. etc and so on - the NCAA would have to be even bigger to staff regionals themselves. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

    * The Xcel had hamster ball races, sled races, human bowling, kids getting dressed in hockey gear race, t-shirt tosses, etc...

    * The scoreboard/pa solicited people (more than once) to go to a website to fill out a survey about their experience.

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