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  • #31
    Re: Summer reading for Umile and crew

    Originally posted by chickod View Post
    You're actually correct. Last week I posted here and compared the "big sheet" to the Red Sox in Fenway. They RELIED on one style (long ball and outscoring opponents) and NEVER won until they realized that they needed to develop the things that truly wind...i.e., pitching and defense. UNH is an exciting team to watch and they skate better than anyone in Hockey East (and I KNOW after having seen them outskate us (BU) year in and year out). But I challenge you to go back to yesterday's tape and show me ONE TIME when a UNH player dumped an RIT player on his ***. They just stood around and watched in their end. It was almost as if they were saying, "OK, let's get this part over with so we can go play offense again." Like it or not, the game is the game. I prefer the "finess" game, but the reality is the players are too big and too fast today, and there is just NO ROOM anymore on the NHL-sized sheet. You have no time and space and MUST be able to grind and get "dirty" goals - as they say, get the puck to the net and get in front of the goalie. BU takes the opposite approach - they try to do what you do in basketball - swing the ball or make a "skip" pass over the top. In other words, they make that diagonal pass and try to score on a one-timer into an empty net. The problem with that is, you need HIGHLY skilled players. That's the only reason they won last year. It was 14 years since and 17 years before that. You can't be one dimension. BU used to have those small, fast teams like UNH, but lately Parker has gone "bigger." Neither way works alone. It's just simple reality. If you don't believe me, get a copy of last night's Wisconsin / St. Cloud State game. It was scary. Wisconsin simply POUNDED St. Cloud with crushing hit after curshing hit. And then they skated by them like they were standing still. They are the FASTEST team AND the most PHYSICAL team, which is why they will win. Whether it's talent, style of play, or a little of both, you have to have BOTH today, or you don't win. BU has size and not enough speed, UNH has speed and is not physical enough. It is what it is. I thought the Olympics four years ago, on the big sheet, was MUCH more entertaining, because it was pure skating and that really allow the palyers to display their skill. But until the NHL WANTS to rid the game of the enforcers (just watch any game, not just Marc Savard getting hit), this is the way it will be, like it or not. I love to watch UNH play because of their style of game, but they ain't winning any national championships this way...ever.
    Perhaps the most insightful post I've read all season.

    Last night, Hardowa cleanly creamed a guy in the 1st period and he (i.e., Hardowa) barely played the rest of the game. Burke's hit, when the RIT player fell into the boards and lost his helmet, resulted in a penalty and Burke was nonaggressive for the rest of the game. Thompson, who was effectively aggressive against Cornell, threw few, if any checks last night. Oh well, something to improve on next season.
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    • #32
      Re: Summer reading for Umile and crew

      Out of all the college hockey coaches, only a handful have consistently put successful teams on the ice. Though it pains me to say it, Umile is one of those coaches.

      Out of that pool of coaches, only a very few are "big game" coaches. A "big game" coach is one who is able to prepare effectively for multiple or uncertain opponents, can inspire their players to walk through brick walls, and make successful adjustments during a game that make a real difference. Hockey East has two such coaches in Jerry York and Jack Parker. We had three when Shawn Walsh was at Maine. Umile has not proven to me that he falls in that category. And for the record, TIMMAY is NOT in that category, and I would not even put TIMMAY in the category of a coach who consistently puts a successful team on the ice.

      Sure it is possible for Umile and UNH to win the NC someday. Umile has UNH in the running enough times that the law of averages comes into play. The risk comes in trying to find that "big game" coach, since not only are they hard to find, you run the risk of losing ground in the process.

      The devil you know...

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      • #33
        Re: Summer reading for Umile and crew

        Originally posted by Terrierbyassociation View Post
        Sorry, he has a degree of Education from UNH. My bad.

        Still, no degree in psychology.
        Churchard is far from the problem. The guy is an amazing teacher and I've heard the players love him.
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        • #34
          Re: Summer reading for Umile and crew

          Originally posted by Onion Man View Post
          I agree, in my opinion, these were the most talented teams over the last handful of years:

          2000 - Wisconsin/Boston College
          2001 - Michigan State
          2002 - Minnesota *
          2003 - New Hampshire
          2004 - Boston College
          2005 - North Dakota
          2006 - Wisconsin *
          2007 - Boston College
          2008 - Michigan/Miami
          2009 - Boston U. *

          * won title

          It takes skill to make it to the Frozen Four, but I still think it takes puck luck to win it.
          i really like this post onion man.... i agree with all of your picks cept 2.... for sake of argument i'd disagree with '01, '03, and i'd split '05 between ndakota and denver (matt carle, paul stastny, gabe gauthier, et al.) but i can't disagree with you saying ndakota for that year.

          '01- i feel bc was more talented than michigan st (outside of ryan miller let's be fair)... 8 seniors including brian gionta, rob scuderi, bobby allen, and scott clemmensen, as well as brooks orpik, krys kolanos, chuck kobasew, ben eaves, tony voce, etc.

          '03- i'd say minnesota had more talent than unh... paul martin, grant potulny, thomas vanek, barry tallackson, matt koalska, etc.... also, unh had lanny gare out injured but apart from him i don't think sean collins, steve saviano, and crew (ayers was a solid goalie and minnesota had travis webber so point for unh there) quite stacked up to the gophers.

          .... this would be a great discussion for a new thread!!!
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          • #35
            Re: Summer reading for Umile and crew

            I think one of the problems is that the players aren't held accountable for their actions on the ice. Take a dumb penalty or make a bonehead play, it doesn't matter, Umile sends them over the boards for their next shift. Parker or York would have them sitting in neverland until they woke up.

            Hockey is a physical game and needs to be played with an edge, UNH doesn't have those type of players. Forwards from other teams are very comfortable hacking away in close and doing the dirty work. Until we recruit size we are going to have this problem. Same thing on the other end, our forwards are always looking up from the seat of their pants. Goals don't need to be pretty, they just have to go over the goal line to count. Guts and determination go a long way to neutralize the talent of another team.

            The ice size at the Whit does hurt recruiting, what legit kid wants to play on an ice surface that he will never see again except in hte Olympics. Who cares about the seating issue, don't sit there.

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            • #36
              Work beats talent ... unless talent works

              Originally posted by rufus View Post
              Standing around while your opponent is right in front of the goal hacking away at the puck isn't a mistake. It's laziness, or unwillingness to commit, to do the dirty, hard things you need to do to win games.

              UHN players need to be willing to get their noses dirty, to be physical, to battle in the corners and in front of the net, not just expect to cruise to a win because they're the SMT's from Lake Whitt and everyone should bow before them.

              They did a great job of doing this against Cornell. Didn't do much of it at all against RIT.
              I still have much love for the UMaine-iacs. And this is right on the money.
              Last edited by Chuck Murray; 03-30-2010, 03:13 PM.
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              • #37
                Re: Summer reading for Umile and crew

                Originally posted by superfan11 View Post
                i really like this post onion man.... i agree with all of your picks cept 2.... for sake of argument i'd disagree with '01, '03, and i'd split '05 between ndakota and denver (matt carle, paul stastny, gabe gauthier, et al.) but i can't disagree with you saying ndakota for that year.

                '01- i feel bc was more talented than michigan st (outside of ryan miller let's be fair)... 8 seniors including brian gionta, rob scuderi, bobby allen, and scott clemmensen, as well as brooks orpik, krys kolanos, chuck kobasew, ben eaves, tony voce, etc.

                '03- i'd say minnesota had more talent than unh... paul martin, grant potulny, thomas vanek, barry tallackson, matt koalska, etc.... also, unh had lanny gare out injured but apart from him i don't think sean collins, steve saviano, and crew (ayers was a solid goalie and minnesota had travis webber so point for unh there) quite stacked up to the gophers.

                .... this would be a great discussion for a new thread!!!
                It's certainly a fun discussion here and its all subjective. The reason why I picked MSU in 2001 is because they had Ryan Miller and rolled through the season. They beat BC pretty easily in the GLI that year.

                I think you forget how dominant New Hampshire was in 2003. Probably could have split that year with Minnesota, but I think if UNH and Minnesota played ten times, UNH would have won six of them.

                Like I said, its a fun debate.
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