Expand The Brackets?

[LtPowers]

Re: Expand The Brackets?

But I care about hockey and I want the better team to advance.

Well, heck, we already know who the better teams are. That's the whole point behind RPI, right? So let's just declare Miami the national champ and go home, huh?


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[RedFreak]

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IMO 16 is a good number, but single elimination is DUMB in the 1st 2 rounds IMO. I would like to see there be an extra weekend added, have the first 2 rounds be best of three at the higher seeded team's home rink (then the regular season is meaningful and attendance is not a problem with these silly regionals), then play the Frozen Four per usual single elimination like it has been done since 1948. Really don't like the cinderella factor and seeing talented teams getting knocked out in a single game elimination. Why play 30+ flippin games, and then a team is one and done in an early round against a team they haven't had a chance to even figure out yet. They play 3 game series in most early Conference Rounds, but yet isn't the NCAA a more important tourney to get a "true" champion?

Cinderella Lovers will whine "Ohhhh, I like seeing a lower seeded team advance, wah wah wah". Go watch the "Mighty Ducks" if you want to see a cutesie "feel-good" story about a bunch of underdogs. I want the winner to prove they can do it more than once when it counts... Again, just my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

Another positive is more time to study your opponent, and MORE PLAYOFF HOCKEY! Plus less travel for the home teams. I like the idea of Regionals, but when they change seedings for attendance, then they have a system where the integrity is not upheld....

I strongly agree. The only thing I'd change is go back to 2-game, total goals to assure that the weekend can be completed in two days (less wear and tear on the student athletes).

Brenthoven is wrong. Because of the low scoring in hockey, it is more susceptible to the lessor team winning one game. And I am not interested in cooking the books for the Cinderellas. I enjoy the Cinderella in basketball, but that's because I fundamentally don't care about basketball. I watch it for the spectacle. But I care about hockey and I want the better team to advance.

And it fixes the regional attendance problem. More hockey, packed arenas, best team advances. Win all the way around.

[Bakunin]

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The field is too watered down - reduce the field to eight teams and play out the entire thing in three days.

[The Rube]

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IMO 16 is a good number, but single elimination is DUMB in the 1st 2 rounds IMO. I would like to see there be an extra weekend added, have the first 2 rounds be best of three at the higher seeded team's home rink (then the regular season is meaningful and attendance is not a problem with these silly regionals), then play the Frozen Four per usual single elimination like it has been done since 1948. Really don't like the cinderella factor and seeing talented teams getting knocked out in a single game elimination. Why play 30+ flippin games, and then a team is one and done in an early round against a team they haven't had a chance to even figure out yet. They play 3 game series in most early Conference Rounds, but yet isn't the NCAA a more important tourney to get a "true" champion?

Cinderella Lovers will whine "Ohhhh, I like seeing a lower seeded team advance, wah wah wah". Go watch the "Mighty Ducks" if you want to see a cutesie "feel-good" story about a bunch of underdogs. I want the winner to prove they can do it more than once when it counts... Again, just my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

Another positive is more time to study your opponent, and MORE PLAYOFF HOCKEY! Plus less travel for the home teams. I like the idea of Regionals, but when they change seedings for attendance, then they have a system where the integrity is not upheld....

Despite upsets, if you're truly the better team, you'll adjust on the run and win.

Pay no attention to the flaws in my argument, they will be considered futile.

[tdzro]

Re: Expand The Brackets?

IMO 16 is a good number, but single elimination is DUMB in the 1st 2 rounds IMO. I would like to see there be an extra weekend added, have the first 2 rounds be best of three at the higher seeded team's home rink (then the regular season is meaningful and attendance is not a problem with these silly regionals), then play the Frozen Four per usual single elimination like it has been done since 1948. Really don't like the cinderella factor and seeing talented teams getting knocked out in a single game elimination. Why play 30+ flippin games, and then a team is one and done in an early round against a team they haven't had a chance to even figure out yet. They play 3 game series in most early Conference Rounds, but yet isn't the NCAA a more important tourney to get a "true" champion?

Cinderella Lovers will whine "Ohhhh, I like seeing a lower seeded team advance, wah wah wah". Go watch the "Mighty Ducks" if you want to see a cutesie "feel-good" story about a bunch of underdogs. I want the winner to prove they can do it more than once when it counts... Again, just my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

Another positive is more time to study your opponent, and MORE PLAYOFF HOCKEY! Plus less travel for the home teams. I like the idea of Regionals, but when they change seedings for attendance, then they have a system where the integrity is not upheld....

[Jon]

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And exactly which team should be in instead of UVM?

PC.

Because we tied NU!!!11!!!!

[Clifton]

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Rather than do something original, I'll just requote what I said in the 2009 version of this thread.

If the BB guys can talk about expanding to 96 teams (when a #16 hasn't EVER beaten a #1), why can't we talk about a modest expansion from the fiels of 16? What I'd like to see is and expansion from sixteen to 20 or 22 teams, with Nos. 17-20 or 22 playing a "playin game" against Nos. 13-16.
There are always teams that end up on the outside looking in, but #17 probably is usually more deserving of a chance that a #21 or 23. For example,
Ferris State was a top ranked team all year and didn't make the field becasue of a couple close losses. Whatdaya think?

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P.S. I am not a crackpot.

[unofan]

Re: Expand The Brackets?

If the BB guys can talk about expanding to 96 teams (when a #16 hasn't EVER beaten a #1), why can't we talk about a modest expansion from the fiels of 16? What I'd like to see is and expansion from sixteen to 20 or 22 teams, with Nos. 17-20 or 22 playing a "playin game" against Nos. 13-16.
There are always teams that end up on the outside looking in, but #17 probably is usually more deserving of a chance that a #21 or 23. For example,
Ferris State was a top ranked team all year and didn't make the field becasue of a couple close losses. Whatdaya think?

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[Roben]

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Hockey should beat basketball to the punch and have a 96 team tournament. Include 38 DIII teams.

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[BigRedTerrier]

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One point that I haven't seen mentioned here is that as of now, the regionals tend to not sell out and in some (most?) cases barely get filled halfway.

Want to give the NCAA$ a reason to expand? Start selling out the regionals that you currently have and make them think that there's a way to make more money out of this.

Otherwise...expansion either dilutes the field or feeds the obsession of the relatively few, but rabid college hockey fans

[RedFreak]

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Also just wondering why we keep comparing percentages with baskets?

Because the NCAA does, and they are the decider.

[UNH09]

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two teams got in from Hockey East with sub par records this year... Absolutely no need for the brackets to expand anytime soon. I am also a proponent of pure bracketing, so the next and only logical move for me is to create a 32 team tournament, which is way out in the future...

[Freddie]

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And exactly which team should be in instead of UVM?

American International or UConn, as representatives of the BFC (Bottom Feeders Conference).

[UML]

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I don't think we have to worry about losing tourney spots. I think the NC$$ likes the 16 team format with four teams in each region.

[Biddco]

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If we lose more teams we should be worried about contraction of the brackets.