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  • RedFreak
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    Originally posted by CLS View Post
    I agree completely.

    The tournament is fine the way it is. The regular season should mean something.

    The way I look at it, the National Tournament begins with the Conference Tournaments. The Conference Tournaments give EVERY TEAM (except the 9th and 10 place teams in HE), regardless of how mediocre their regular season performance, a second chance. They can get in the National Tournament by winning their Conference Tournament.

    Perhaps Providence and Northeastern have a beef, since they're the only teams that didn't get a "second chance", but I hope they have enough pride to admit that they don't really deserve the chance.

    How many opportunities should mediocre teams get?
    I also agree with this POV. The NCAA Tournament shouldn't be a freakin' lottery. You should have to earn your way in.

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  • CLS
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    Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
    No expansion is needed. If your team can't make the tourney under the PWR system in the top quartile of 58 NCAA teams or by winning the conference tourney (the second chance opportunity), your team doesn't deserve to be dancing. Period.

    DU was the last team left out of the dance in 2006 and 2007, and the team didn't deserve a berth.

    The PWR system is transparent, and every team knows exactly what they need to do to secure a spot.
    I agree completely.

    The tournament is fine the way it is. The regular season should mean something.

    The way I look at it, the National Tournament begins with the Conference Tournaments. The Conference Tournaments give EVERY TEAM (except the 9th and 10 place teams in HE), regardless of how mediocre their regular season performance, a second chance. They can get in the National Tournament by winning their Conference Tournament.

    Perhaps Providence and Northeastern have a beef, since they're the only teams that didn't get a "second chance", but I hope they have enough pride to admit that they don't really deserve the chance.

    How many opportunities should mediocre teams get?

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  • richl49
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    Originally posted by uwbadgers14 View Post
    I would like to see the tournament with a few more teams in it but its not a popular idea with many of the people on these boards, for whatever reason...
    To expand slightly on my original post. I think a national tournament should be tough to get into, there should be teams dissappointed that they didn't make it. With the conference winners and the next 10 best teams getting in I feel the best of the best is represented. Sure some teams that just sneak in _ like Miami last year _ are capable of winning a title, but I think the tournament should be a reward for being the best all year not to a .500 team that managed to get hot at the end. Michigan got hot at the end this year after a mediocre season, but needed to win the CCHA to get in and that is how I think it should be.

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  • ExileOnDaytonStreet
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    We need to worry about having more D-I programs such that we can justify the 16-team field before we even think of asking for something beyond that. Get to 64 teams (that's 6 more programs, assuming no one else folds) and we're good with what we got.

    I think we'd need to get to 70 teams before we even dream of an 18 team field, 80 teams before we think of a 20 team field.

    Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
    The PWR system is transparent, and every team knows exactly what they need to do to secure a spot.
    I love the current system for the very reason you specified here. It's just unbiased numbers. To quote the Scoobs: Simple Math.

    Until the committee breaks form from the PWR, we have no one bickering about bubble teams getting in because of "quality wins" or all the other BS you hear about with the basketball tourney.

    There aren't any polling numbers used, like the BCS. The numbers don't factor in anything besides wins and losses. The only "bias" possible is in how we chose the weight factors for RPI and in how we define a TUC. Both of those factors are settled before the season begins. The selection process is pretty much as unbiased as determining the field for the Stanley Cup playoffs.

    The only argument I've ever seen that's worth having is whether we should use KRACH instead of RPI. Every other complaint has been soundly rejected by 90% of this board. What's not to like about that?

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  • Puck Swami
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    No expansion is needed. If your team can't make the tourney under the PWR system in the top quartile of 58 NCAA teams or by winning the conference tourney (the second chance opportunity), your team doesn't deserve to be dancing. Period.

    DU was the last team left out of the dance in 2006 and 2007, and the team didn't deserve a berth.

    The PWR system is transparent, and every team knows exactly what they need to do to secure a spot.

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  • pinch
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    I favor 12 teams..with the 1 seed getting a bye till the regional final

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  • uwbadgers14
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    Originally posted by FRICKER View Post
    If the BB guys can talk about expanding to 96 teams (when a #16 hasn't EVER beaten a #1), why can't we talk about a modest expansion from the fiels of 16? What I'd like to see is and expansion from sixteen to 20 or 22 teams, with Nos. 17-20 or 22 playing a "playin game" against Nos. 13-16.
    There are always teams that end up on the outside looking in, but #17 probably is usually more deserving of a chance that a #21 or 23. For example,
    Ferris State was a top ranked team all year and didn't make the field becasue of a couple close losses. Whatdaya think?
    I would like to see the tournament with a few more teams in it but its not a popular idea with many of the people on these boards, for whatever reason...

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  • GopherBigGuy911
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    I ws thinking about posting a thread about this exact idea last night.....
    I could see expanding the teams to 28 teams.
    All 4 #1 seeds get a first round bye
    teams 2-6 in each bracket would play the first round games. And then they would be re-seeded lowest seed still alive plays their regional #1
    First Round games would be played on Thursday and Friday, Round of 16 Played Sat and Sunday.

    This way you would have pretty much all winning programs with a chance to be Cinderella. Just my 2 Cents.
    Last edited by GopherBigGuy911; 03-22-2010, 12:43 PM.

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  • Red Till I'm Dead!
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    Originally posted by Dirty View Post
    How about a triple-elimination tournament?
    College Baseball... love it

    Maybe we should use the base-ketball format and let the tournament go on for 8 months on ESPN Ocho

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  • gdart_s
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    Loss of the CHA champ next year is effectively a 1 team expansion over this year (one more at-large gets in). Don't like the idea of expansion or retraction from 16. The current tournament is tough to get into, but still includes some smaller schools capable of upset. We may need some tweaks as far as host sites for attendance reasons, but the size of the tournament should be left alone.

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  • Dirty
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    How about a triple-elimination tournament?

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  • J.D.
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    No.

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  • FRICKER
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    For the record, Hammer:
    * my dad - West Point
    * me - Clarkson
    * son #1 - UNH
    * son #2 - Lake Superior State
    Ok, if you don't like expanding the field, how about going with an (8) team including league champs & regular season champs from Hockey East, ECAC, CCHA, and WCHA, with the two of those with the worst records playing a play-in game. Of course, Minnesota & BU should always get first round byes.

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  • joegrav
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    For fairness's sake, maybe I'll start a "back to 12 teams?" thread.

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  • aallenpollreisz
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    Even as a fan of the second team out this season, I still say no. For a 58-team division, our tournament's the perfect size. Absolutely no changes are needed or necessary.

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