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Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
Originally posted by RedFreak View PostIt was VERY nice to be assured that you will get to see your team twice.
kick in the head to the travelers is the first game on Thursday is at 2 rather than 7, which for many means a fourth hotel night (W,R,F,S). All and all, this sticks it to the travellers.
I wouldn't be opposed to them pushing the start times of the games back - having the first one at 3:30 and the second one at 8 for example.
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Originally posted by Bakunin View PostHis point is a valid one, though. If you travel to the regional, you are running the risk of seeing your team lose on the first day. If that happens, do you just say * it and leave? Or do you go to the other game(s)?
An additional kick in the head to the travelers is the first game on Thursday is at 2 rather than 7, which for many means a fourth hotel night (W,R,F,S). All and all, this sticks it to the travellers.
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Originally posted by RedFreak View PostSays the man from Minneapolis.
The 3rd place game is typically not well-attended, the atmosphere is generally dead, and more often than not, one or both teams involved aren't exactly bringing their A game. It's rather anti-climactic when compared to all the other games played in the tournament.
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Originally posted by goalie heckler View PostIMHO, the lack of a third place game is a big drawback to traveling fans.
In the current format, if your team is ranked 1-3, you know they are going to play two games. If you're ranked 4-5, you know that if you win one game, you're guaranteed three games. As a traveling fan, getting the reward of seeing your team two or three times makes up for the travel and expense in St. Paul. This weekend, the risk/reward to me for North Dakota was worth the trip.
Next year, the guaranteed games for each team is only one. So, a fan has to be a fan of the league or college hockey in general... I just don' t know about the committment of most fans on this one. I think most folks come to see their team, not the WCHA. ...would be interesting to see what a Denver, CC, Michigan Tech, Alaska-Anchorage, Omaha, and Bemidji Final Five would do to attendance TWO YEARS IN A ROW.
Again, having a two-game guarantee (when you earn it) seems like a very valuable thing to the traveling fan. Next year, two teams would earn a three-game guarantee on Thursday, if there was a Third Place game.
(Finally, I will admit that the chance at a National Championship is the ultimate prize and that playing so many games in the last few weeks is rough. However, the Final Five has consistently been a much better event than the Regionals/Frozen Four for fans.)
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Originally posted by JF_Gophers View PostI don't think the 1 vs 2 games in a weekend is a big deal. Its the same format as the NCAA tournament. You travel for 1 guaranteed game, and if you win you get a 2nd one. Same expense issues.
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Most locals to the F5 (no matter what fanbase) don't even bother with a 3rd place game.
Also, many people take the F5 Thursday off, anyways, so now instead of hanging out somewhere, they actually get to see a game they care about.
I like it.
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Originally posted by goalie heckler View PostYou don't enjoy watching your team?
You don't think that crowds make it more enjoyable for the players?
Good attendance and quality play aren't exclusive. You can have both. So, I don't know what you're advocating... would you like the games to be played without fans?
Fact is you said there should be a consolation because of attendance, when in reality attendance shouldn't play a factor. The only reason there are consolation games now is because its a way to make more money. However, these conference tournament games should be about earning your spot in the next round and if you don't, you shouldn't get a chance to improve your NCAA tournament status like now.
It will be a great day when conference tournaments a) stop allowing all teams to make the postseason and b) stop having consolation games.
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Originally posted by Eaglefan06 View PostThis is the sad part about college sports now-a-days. Its more about attendance than the teams on the ice.
You don't think that crowds make it more enjoyable for the players?
Good attendance and quality play aren't exclusive. You can have both. So, I don't know what you're advocating... would you like the games to be played without fans?
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Originally posted by goalie heckler View PostMaybe you're unfamiliar with the average Regional attendance verses the Final Five attendance... because you seem to contradict yourself. The Final Five is much better attended.
Have you ever travelled to a Final Five or NCAA Regional?
Plus with 5 Minnesota based teams going forward, you would think the attendance will still be good as the local teams and alumni show up.Last edited by JF_Gophers; 03-21-2010, 03:05 PM.
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Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
Originally posted by goalie heckler View PostMaybe you're unfamiliar with the average Regional attendance verses the Final Five attendance... because you seem to contradict yourself. The Final Five is much better attended.
Have you ever travelled to a Final Five or NCAA Regional?
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Originally posted by JF_Gophers View PostI don't think the 1 vs 2 games in a weekend is a big deal. Its the same format as the NCAA tournament. You travel for 1 guaranteed game, and if you win you get a 2nd one. Same expense issues.
Have you ever travelled to a Final Five or NCAA Regional?
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Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
Originally posted by goalie heckler View PostIMHO, the lack of a third place game is a big drawback to traveling fans.
In the current format, if your team is ranked 1-3, you know they are going to play two games. If you're ranked 4-5, you know that if you win one game, you're guaranteed three games. As a traveling fan, getting the reward of seeing your team two or three times makes up for the travel and expense in St. Paul. This weekend, the risk/reward to me for North Dakota was worth the trip.
Next year, the guaranteed games for each team is only one. So, a fan has to be a fan of the league or college hockey in general... I just don' t know about the committment of most fans on this one. I think most folks come to see their team, not the WCHA. ...would be interesting to see what a Denver, CC, Michigan Tech, Alaska-Anchorage, Omaha, and Bemidji Final Five would do to attendance TWO YEARS IN A ROW.
Again, having a two-game guarantee (when you earn it) seems like a very valuable thing to the traveling fan. Next year, two teams would earn a three-game guarantee on Thursday, if there was a Third Place game.
(Finally, I will admit that the chance at a National Championship is the ultimate prize and that playing so many games in the last few weeks is rough. However, the Final Five has consistently been a much better event than the Regionals/Frozen Four for fans.)
If you lose the play-in or semifinal game, you don't deserve another chance to improve your PWR or NCAA tournament worth. Makes winning MUCH more valuable.
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Re: Format for 2011 WCHA final Five
Originally posted by goalie heckler View PostIMHO, the lack of a third place game is a big drawback to traveling fans.
In the current format, if your team is ranked 1-3, you know they are going to play two games. If you're ranked 4-5, you know that if you win one game, you're guaranteed three games. As a traveling fan, getting the reward of seeing your team two or three times makes up for the travel and expense in St. Paul. This weekend, the risk/reward to me for North Dakota was worth the trip.
Next year, the guaranteed games for each team is only one. So, a fan has to be a fan of the league or college hockey in general... I just don' t know about the committment of most fans on this one. I think most folks come to see their team, not the WCHA. ...would be interesting to see what a Denver, CC, Michigan Tech, Alaska-Anchorage, Omaha, and Bemidji Final Five would do to attendance TWO YEARS IN A ROW.
Again, having a two-game guarantee (when you earn it) seems like a very valuable thing to the traveling fan. Next year, two teams would earn a three-game guarantee on Thursday, if there was a Third Place game.
(Finally, I will admit that the chance at a National Championship is the ultimate prize and that playing so many games in the last few weeks is rough. However, the Final Five has consistently been a much better event than the Regionals/Frozen Four for fans.)
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