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  • bigblue_dl
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    Originally posted by Dirty View Post
    The way SCSU fans are attacking refs, it might be necessary.
    eh, it was only Marco

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  • Dirty
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    Originally posted by 4four4 View Post
    With the addition of more money maybe the WCHA can purchase new refs. Who is with me here?
    The way SCSU fans are attacking refs, it might be necessary.

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  • ScoobyDoo
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    Reseeding is dumb. They won't reseed. Gophers at night on Thursday puts them at night on Friday.

    Gophers at night on Friday if top two.

    Problem solved.

    Easy Peazy.

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  • 4four4
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    With the addition of more money maybe the WCHA can purchase new refs. Who is with me here?

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  • RedFreak
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    Originally posted by blockski View Post
    I'd also agree that they think the hockey alone is a good enough draw, but I'm not so sure - what makes the Final Five work so well is that it's more than the sum of its parts. In other words, it's not just the hockey.
    Yep. It's also the Cream of Minnesota Wild Rice Soup at the St. Paul Grill. Yum-yum.

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  • blockski
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    Originally posted by MaizeRage View Post
    Technically the trade isn't the consolation game for another Thursday game, since it's still just one gate on Thursday. The trade-off is the gate from the consolation game for an extra home playoff series, and potentially some extra money on Thursday since you'll have four teams' fans buying tickets instead of two. I trust somebody did the math and felt they come out ahead in that bargain.

    No one will know until next year when people start buying tickets, but the WCHA likes to think of the Final Five as a "destination tournament" that will draw enough people regardless of who is playing just because it's great hockey.

    UNO fans will travel great if their team makes it. The drive from Omaha to St. Paul isn't that much longer than it is from Madison or Grand Forks, and UNO drew better than just about any CCHA team outside of Michigan and Michigan State at the CCHA tournament in the years where they made it.
    On the 'trade', I was speaking from a fan's perspective. Instead of a semi-meaningless game on Saturday afternoon, you get a quite meaningful one (perhaps your team's only appearance in the tournament) on a Thursday afternoon. Regardless of how you slice up the ticketing, that's the net effect. I'm not sold that the fact that the game means something will offset the fact that it's on a Thursday afternoon. Asking people to play hooky from work for two days in a row might be pushing it, to say nothing of those taking a vacation to travel.

    Even if it's not an attendance bonanza, I'm sure the WCHA ran some numbers on the potential added gate from the additional first round series, too. I'd also agree that they think the hockey alone is a good enough draw, but I'm not so sure - what makes the Final Five work so well is that it's more than the sum of its parts. In other words, it's not just the hockey.

    As far as finances go, the advantages of the CCHA's current format is that 8 of the 12 teams get to host a playoff series, plus you get the gate of 4 games at the Joe. The WCHA's format will feature 6 home playoff series and 5 games at the X. It's understandable why the CCHA would rather rely on home series and the WCHA would rather rely on the X.

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  • RedFreak
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    Originally posted by state of hockey View Post
    That is what we were discussing. Pretty sure fixed brackets will be used.
    I thought I heard they were going to reseed, but I don't know where I saw that so it's probably wrong.

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  • state of hockey
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    That is what we were discussing. Pretty sure fixed brackets will be used.

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  • RedFreak
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    Originally posted by RedFreak View Post
    I didn't get it until just now. Although the Minnesota Rule still stands, it will no longer be possible for a team to win Thursday night and then be forced to play Friday afternoon.
    No, I think I'm wrong. If Minnesota is in the top 2 (they get Thurs bye), they play Fri night no matter if they are 1 or 2 seed. IF the teams are reseeded after Thursday night, the Thursday night winner can be forced to play Friday afternoon.

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  • RedFreak
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    I didn't get it until just now. Although the Minnesota Rule still stands, it will no longer be possible for a team to win Thursday night and then be forced to play Friday afternoon.

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  • state of hockey
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    Originally posted by Dirty View Post
    Who cares if it's the championship game or not, the point still stands.
    No it doesn't. As it is now if the Gophers play and lose in a semi, they play in the third place game in the afternoon. No one has had to play in a semi Friday night to play a championship game on Saturday afternoon. I was saying that that shouldn't change just because of the third place game being scrapped.

    Agreed on who wins the late game on Thursday playing the late game on Friday, and the same with the early games.

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  • RedFreak
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    Originally posted by MinnesotaNorthStar View Post
    Which is only about 50 miles farther then Grand Forks...about 45 minutes or so...
    I didn't realize Grand Forks was farther than Madison. Boy, they really are out there in the boonies.

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  • MinnesotaNorthStar
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    Originally posted by RedFreak View Post
    TravelMath.com says Omaha to St. Paul is 380 miles.
    Which is only about 50 miles farther then Grand Forks...about 45 minutes or so...

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  • RedFreak
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    Originally posted by MaizeRage View Post
    UNO fans will travel great if their team makes it. The drive from Omaha to St. Paul isn't that much longer than it is from Madison or Grand Forks, and UNO drew better than just about any CCHA team outside of Michigan and Michigan State at the CCHA tournament in the years where they made it.
    It's a ways further. Madison to St. Paul is 250 miles (drove it last weekend).

    TravelMath.com says Omaha to St. Paul is 380 miles.

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  • MaizeRage
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    Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
    I would assume going forward that whoever wins the 4pm game on thursday will play in the 2pm game on saturday, and vice versa...so if your team plays the Gophers thursday night and you win, you will definitely have the late game Friday. If the Gophers are top 2, the late game thursday will play the gophers friday night, etc.
    Yeah, that's correct. They had to do fixed brackets rather than giving the top team the lowest remaining seed so that nobody got screwed over too harshly due to the Minnesota Rule.

    Originally posted by GOPHER FREAK View Post
    I'm not huge on the new format but I can live with it if Friday remains two sessions. If they do a 4/7pm on session on Friday it will ruin it. Half the fun of the final five is between games bar time in my opinion. The Wild game is a bad idea. No WCHA fans are going to be able to get tickets and they would have to start no later than 1pm to avoid a mess downtown.
    The Wild game is scheduled to start at 1pm if it gets approved by the NHL.

    Originally posted by blockski View Post
    The new format trades a Saturday day game for a Thursday day game. Combine that with the lost guarantee that 4 of 5 teams will see at least two games, and it will have an effect on traveling fans - the question is how much of an effect.
    Technically the trade isn't the consolation game for another Thursday game, since it's still just one gate on Thursday. The trade-off is the gate from the consolation game for an extra home playoff series, and potentially some extra money on Thursday since you'll have four teams' fans buying tickets instead of two. I trust somebody did the math and felt they come out ahead in that bargain.

    No one will know until next year when people start buying tickets, but the WCHA likes to think of the Final Five as a "destination tournament" that will draw enough people regardless of who is playing just because it's great hockey.

    UNO fans will travel great if their team makes it. The drive from Omaha to St. Paul isn't that much longer than it is from Madison or Grand Forks, and UNO drew better than just about any CCHA team outside of Michigan and Michigan State at the CCHA tournament in the years where they made it.
    Last edited by MaizeRage; 03-23-2010, 03:12 PM.

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