Ohio State Next Coach?

[dggoddard]

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FACT: The Dispatch and WBNS both reported OSU had trimmed the list to the top three, Cav, Oz and CJ.
FACT: OSU was really negotiating with Gwoz, therefore we were lied too and the list was really Gwoz, then the next three.
FACT: OSU & Gwoz coould't agree on terms so they they then offer the job to number 2 on the list, Osiecki. Jones therefore was three at best, as I said.

I think you're playing a little fast and loose with the "FACTS."

A lot of this comes down to timing & he says, she says. There's way too much here that we don't know.

Gwoz tells Chambers on Monday that he's not a candidate. So at that point, to me, he's already made up his mind. He flies to Columbus on Wed. Perhaps to hear one last pitch and/or perhaps to put in the good word for Oz.

Perhaps DU matches Ohio States offer over the previous weekend (my guess). Obviously, Gwoz doesn't want to tell Ohio State that he's been shopping their offer around to gain leverage with DU.

[davyd83]

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But Casey didn't know if he was number 1 or number 4 on the list and the committee didn't know who was going to accept or not. When you interview for a job, you don't tell the candidates they are alternates and only have a chance if the top guy rejects the offer. What if you do that and #2-4 decide to take another offer or pull out of the interview. Then you're in trouble if you can't reach terms with #1. And by the way, when #2-4 pull out, #1 gains HUGE bargaining power. That's just basic business.

In theory, there are no clear #1-4 candidates, just an order for starting negotiations. Until you start talking deal structure, nobody knows what single non-negotiable element will move a candidate from #1 to #4.

For example, let's say Gwoz was #1. He was the one they wanted most, so they started with him. However, his demands couldn't be met. Had they then gone through each candidate and found their demands to match Gwoz's demands - Gwoz would again be #1. The final order of the list and who gets the job is highly dependent on what it takes to get each coach on the list. Every candidate has a price and that has to be figured into the final order of preference. You don't know that order until you get into contract dicussions. Oz was NOT a second choice, he was a first choice for what they were willing to pay.

GREAT POST!

[osualum86]

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Perhaps DU matches Ohio States offer over the previous weekend (my guess). Obviously, Gwoz doesn't want to tell Ohio State that he's been shopping their offer around to gain leverage with DU.

I was thinking the same thing, that Gwozdecky was never really interested in leaving Denver for Ohio State. He was just using the OSU opening to get more money out of Denver.

[Puck Swami]

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I was thinking the same thing, that Gwozdecky was never really interested in leaving Denver for Ohio State. He was just using the OSU opening to get more money out of Denver.

Oldest trick in the book. I remember when Shawn Walsh came out to Denver in 1990, impressed everyone and when DU was willing to give Walsh whatever he wanted, and Walsh then went back to Maine and got a similar deal from his current AD. In hindsight given Shawn's subsequent problems with the NCAA, I am glad we got Serratorre instead, but leverage is important and you can't be afraid to use it when you have it.

[Timothy A]

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I was thinking the same thing, that Gwozdecky was never really interested in leaving Denver for Ohio State. He was just using the OSU opening to get more money out of Denver.

Gwoz is holding out for the UW job when Eaves leaves.

[du78]

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Gwoz is holding out for the UW job when Eaves leaves.

He already turned the Badger job down when Eaves was hired. I think if Gwoz ever leaves DU its for the NHL and probably not until his daughter is at least in college. Just my 2 cents.

[Arpod]

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I was thinking the same thing, that Gwozdecky was never really interested in leaving Denver for Ohio State. He was just using the OSU opening to get more money out of Denver.

Hmmmm. Seems to me I'd heard that earlier in this thread...

I would guess he's using the interview at OSU for leverage and he will sign a revised contract with Denver at $300K+...

And SOME respodants thought I was nuts.

[blockski]

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He already turned the Badger job down when Eaves was hired. I think if Gwoz ever leaves DU its for the NHL and probably not until his daughter is at least in college. Just my 2 cents.

Yeah, Gwoz ain't goin' anywhere amongst the college ranks. If his alma mater wasn't going to do it (and I'm sure UW offered him a nice bit of change, too - which he certainly parlayed into a nice raise from DU), nothing will.

[Twisted Wrister]

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USHR.com reported:

The three finalists were Osiecki, Boston College associate head coach Mike Cavanaugh, and Denver head coach George Gwozdecky. We're getting two different reports on Gwozdecky's not being hired, one indicating his price tag was too high -- even for OSU -- and the other saying that he slept on it, and decided to stick with Denver. More likely, it was some combination of the two. And, of course, there could well be reasons we may never know of.

Believe what you want.

[pinch]

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Not that I am promoting gambling, but what is everyone's guess on the "over/under" date for changing who the hockey coach is on the OSU website.

I guess officially Markell is still the coach through June 30th, so my guess is July 1.

I guess today

[----]

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Rather than argue/complain/debate the past why not discuss next year and the excitement that it brings? I for one am excited just to see what the future holds for Ohio State hockey...

As a Buckeye, I am actually embarrassed by the woulda, shoulda, coulda's that I am seeing....

Go Bucks!

[Hockeybuckeye]

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Rather than argue/complain/debate the past why not discuss next year and the excitement that it brings? I for one am excited just to see what the future holds for Ohio State hockey...

As a Buckeye, I am actually embarrassed by the woulda, shoulda, coulda's that I am seeing....

Go Bucks!

Why be embarrassed? Just because you don't agree with or like some of the things posted isn't justification to condemn it. There are places in the world yet where people disappear for speaking their minds. Never forget what a tremendous right we've been blessed with to have the freedom to speak out on anything and everything. If you see something here on forum that you don't think is valid and feel your position is solid then counter point them.

[Twisted Wrister]

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Nice article in the Dispatch today about Osiecki, glad he has decided to retain Steve Brent. Brent always seemed to be a good on the bench and will help with the transition, getting to know the team's abilities.

[HckyDoc]

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Nice article in the Dispatch today about Osiecki, glad he has decided to retain Steve Brent. Brent always seemed to be a good on the bench and will help with the transition, getting to know the team's abilities.

Read that article online, didn't see Brent mentioned?

[Timothy A]

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He already turned the Badger job down when Eaves was hired.

The difference is when the UW job was open, the players weren't of the highest regards/quality, and it was a huge rebuilding project/mess, so Gwoz turned it down.

I could see Gwoz taking another look @ UW with a talent laden roster if/when Eaves leaves. Plus, if he applied @ a down-trodden program like OSU now, why wouldn't he apply @ UW in a few years? IMHO, the UW job is a more high profile job than DU's. Afterall, when you say WISCONSIN, you've said it all.