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  • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

    At least it is better then P Dubs not naming a single Miami player to her all-CCHA team.

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    • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

      Originally posted by mcfarljd View Post
      Checked some stats.

      Gustaffson (NMU) piled up the points 1-21--22. But was only a +2. Seriously? a +2? Someone needs to learn to play defence.

      Delgrosso (UNO) led the team in points (seriously? a defenceman?) 4-16--20, and had a +9.

      Redmond (FSU) 4-15--19, +2.

      Petry (MSU) 2-13--15, -3

      Seriously? Petry? No way that kid should be up there.

      Wideman: 5-9--14, +15
      Schilling: 1-10--11, +21
      Hartman: 5-5--10, +18

      Apparently the voters forgot about the defence in defencemen.
      Using in-league stats (as I believe you did) it did surprise me Gus was only a +2 if only because we had other defensemen at +11 and +12.

      One thing to keep in mind is that NMU was only +13 overall in conference play, whereas Miami was +49.

      Looking at +/- alone is as absurd as only looking at point totals alone.

      Gus was also a fist-teamer last year, which might have held some extra sway with the voters.
      Embrace the hate.

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      • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

        Originally posted by nmu_27 View Post
        Using in-league stats (as I believe you did) it did surprise me Gus was only a +2 if only because we had other defensemen at +11 and +12.

        One thing to keep in mind is that NMU was only +13 overall in conference play, whereas Miami was +49.

        Looking at +/- alone is as absurd as only looking at point totals alone.

        Gus was also a fist-teamer last year, which might have held some extra sway with the voters.
        Fair enough, but can we both agree that defensemen named to an all conference team should at least be positive. +/- shouldn't be the only factor but it should be given its proper credence. 15 points and a -3 is pretty absurd when you have a player like Wideman sitting at 14 points and +15. Yes Miami has a huge + in conference play but that doesn't happen on its own, players have something to do with it, and it shouldn't be counted against them when it comes to individual recognition.
        Last edited by MUhawks628; 03-11-2010, 11:25 AM.

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        • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

          Originally posted by MUhawks628 View Post
          Fair enough, but can we both agree that defensemen named to an all conference team should at least be positive. +/- shouldn't be the only factor but it should be given its proper credence. 15 points and a -3 is pretty absurd when you have a player like Wideman sitting at 14 points and +15. Yes Miami has a huge + in conference play but that doesn't happen on its own, players have something to do with it, and it shouldn't be counted against them when it comes to individual recognition.
          Certainly not counted against. I agree with you that Wideman and the rest of your D have comparable or superior numbers.
          Embrace the hate.

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          • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

            From what I have seen, I don't have any problem with Gustaffson. I have not seen Petry as much. The league's best defensive defenseman will be interesting (is that out yet?). For Miami, you have Weber, Schilling and Hartman all good candidates. Take Hartman out because he is a freshman. But it is hard to imagine getting that without being on the first or second team. Also, defensive forward? Given Miami's goals against, also hard to imagine Miami not getting

            But, these individual awards don't mean much and always leave good candidates on the outside.

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            • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

              Originally posted by redeagle View Post
              From what I have seen, I don't have any problem with Gustaffson. I have not seen Petry as much. The league's best defensive defenseman will be interesting (is that out yet?). For Miami, you have Weber, Schilling and Hartman all good candidates. Take Hartman out because he is a freshman. But it is hard to imagine getting that without being on the first or second team. Also, defensive forward? Given Miami's goals against, also hard to imagine Miami not getting

              But, these individual awards don't mean much and always leave good candidates on the outside.
              They will announce those and more at the awards banquet which occurs in Detroit next week (right before the semi-finals).

              It is always fun to be at Joe when the do the little video clips for the winners, lots of boos and cheers depending on who the player plays for.
              Embrace the hate.

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              • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

                Here you go...

                CCHA Top Individual Award Finalists for 2009-2010

                Reichard is up for Player of the Year.
                Blasi is up for Coach of the Year.
                Wingels is up for Defensive Forward.
                Weber is up for Defensive Defenseman.

                No RedHawks up for Rookie or Offensive Defenseman.
                Love and honor to Miami forever and a day. Go RedHawks!

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                • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

                  Originally posted by nmu_27 View Post
                  Certainly not counted against. I agree with you that Wideman and the rest of your D have comparable or superior numbers.
                  I don't have a problem with gus being their either, just eye popping to me that the best defensive team in the league and country doesnt even get an honorable mention. My beef isn't with anyone that was named its with the thought process of the voters. That doesn't make sense to me at all.
                  Miamiredhawks08: "Side note: have any of you had to wear a helmet in SLOW PITCH SOFTBALL CAGE?!?!?!?! Are you flipping kidding me?!?!?! Felt like a 30 year old wearing floaties in a wading pool! jeebus!"

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                  • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

                    Originally posted by nmu_27 View Post
                    Using in-league stats (as I believe you did) it did surprise me Gus was only a +2 if only because we had other defensemen at +11 and +12.

                    One thing to keep in mind is that NMU was only +13 overall in conference play, whereas Miami was +49.

                    Looking at +/- alone is as absurd as only looking at point totals alone.

                    Gus was also a fist-teamer last year, which might have held some extra sway with the voters.
                    After I finished up the stats Gust and DelGrosso didn't really bother me. But Petry?! That seriously is a joke.

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                    • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

                      Originally posted by RedhawkBandMan View Post
                      Here you go...

                      CCHA Top Individual Award Finalists for 2009-2010

                      Reichard is up for Player of the Year.
                      Blasi is up for Coach of the Year.
                      Wingels is up for Defensive Forward.
                      Weber is up for Defensive Defenseman.

                      No RedHawks up for Rookie or Offensive Defenseman.
                      Player of the year is no contest.

                      Rookie of the year is going to UAF's Taranto.

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                      • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

                        More Miami related INCH chat questions.

                        Jack Seagull (Oxford, OH)


                        Do you think any Redhawks have potential to be play in the pros?

                        Mike Eidelbes (2:40 PM)


                        The RedHawks have a lot of talent on the roster and a few of those guys, whether they're draft picks or college free agents, should get a shot. But sometimes it's more important to be put in the right situation e.g. Ryan Jones, a great goal scorer in college who hasn't found the right fit in the pros. What will help the Miami guys at the next level is that they're sound fundamentally and responsible two-way players.
                        Actually Jonesy was put on waivers last week and Edmonton snatched him up instantly. 8 minutes into his first game with the Oilers, Boogard goes straight for his knee and knocks him out for the rest of the season.
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                        dave (oxford, ohio)


                        I have already ordered my tickets for the NCAA regionals in Ft. Wayne. Am I safe to assume that Miami will end up there or is there a scenario where they go somewhere else?

                        Mike Eidelbes (2:42 PM)


                        There's no guarantee, obviously, but I can't imagine a scenario in which Miami does not end up in Fort Wayne. While balancing the bracket is the primary goal of the tournament committee, they'll make concessions with regard to attendance if necessary. That's why we feel both Miami and Michigan State will end up in Fort Wayne.
                        Caz (Denver)


                        What's the likelihood of seeing Denver and Miami meet in the finals? Who do you think would win?

                        Mike Eidelbes (3:03 PM)


                        We've said all along that Denver, Miami, and Wisconsin are the clear-cut top three teams in the country, so it wouldn't be a surprise to see the Pioneers and RedHawks in the championship game. It's a long way away, obviously, but I'd give the Pioneers the edge -- Marc Cheverie is the best goalie in the nation and DU has more playmakers, guys like Rakhshani, Colbourne, Wiercioch, etc.
                        I was actually looking up stats the other day, and 75% of DU's scoring comes from their first 2 lines. only 53% of Miami's is from the top 2 lines. I'll say that is advantage Miami in scoring depth there.

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                        • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

                          Originally posted by mcfarljd View Post
                          More Miami related INCH chat questions.



                          Actually Jonesy was put on waivers last week and Edmonton snatched him up instantly. 8 minutes into his first game with the Oilers, Boogard goes straight for his knee and knocks him out for the rest of the season.
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                          I was actually looking up stats the other day, and 75% of DU's scoring comes from their first 2 lines. only 53% of Miami's is from the top 2 lines. I'll say that is advantage Miami in scoring depth there.
                          ummm that guy in the first question no how to form a sentance? I mean seriously, isn't that hard to spell those words so they make sense....
                          Miamiredhawks08: "Side note: have any of you had to wear a helmet in SLOW PITCH SOFTBALL CAGE?!?!?!?! Are you flipping kidding me?!?!?! Felt like a 30 year old wearing floaties in a wading pool! jeebus!"

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                          • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

                            What a nasty hit on jonesy there....Sad to see.

                            He has had a tough time adjusting to the pro game, its a different style. He will find a system that fits him, and to be honest Edmonton is a very good fit for him. Hopefully it isn't too serious and he will be able to go come training camp.
                            Miamiredhawks08: "Side note: have any of you had to wear a helmet in SLOW PITCH SOFTBALL CAGE?!?!?!?! Are you flipping kidding me?!?!?! Felt like a 30 year old wearing floaties in a wading pool! jeebus!"

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                            • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

                              Originally posted by redhawkman10 View Post
                              What a nasty hit on jonesy there....Sad to see.

                              He has had a tough time adjusting to the pro game, its a different style. He will find a system that fits him, and to be honest Edmonton is a very good fit for him. Hopefully it isn't too serious and he will be able to go come training camp.
                              I think I read that it was just a 4-6 week injury, just bad timing in that the Oilers aren't gonna make the playoffs. He was out there in that clip with Gagner though, so not sure if they were on a line together, but if so then at least they're giving him a chance.

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                              • Re: Official 2009-2010 Miami season thread part II: Unfinished Business

                                Originally posted by mcfarljd View Post
                                I think I read that it was just a 4-6 week injury, just bad timing in that the Oilers aren't gonna make the playoffs.
                                That is just the kind of chicken $h*t hit along with the head shots that need to be addressed at all levels of hockey. It is a lack of respect and should not be tolerated. Jones didn't have a chance, Boogard can't keep up and he cheap shots the kid...
                                Last edited by HckyDoc; 03-11-2010, 04:21 PM. Reason: typo

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