CHA Thoughts and Prognostications: Year 11, The Finale... Part Deux

[Douglas]

Re: CHA Thoughts and Prognostications: Year 11, The Finale... Part Deux

Same thing is going on for UAH fans. The Selection Show will be held at Steve McQueens (formerly Indigo Joes) on Hwy 72 in Madison (a little west of the Slaughter Rd/Jeff Rd intersection). It's on the south side of the road. Steve McQueens will open at 10 am with the Selection Show starting at 10:30 am. Limited team celebration posters (the shot I took on the ice in Niagara) will be available for getting autographs etc. The standard fare is available as I understand it. Come on out Charger fans!!! Let's be with the team when we find out where we go next week. I'm already polishing up the cameras...

Geof - I'll take those two frustrations to my grave...

[tnlong]

Re: CHA Thoughts and Prognostications: Year 11, The Finale... Part Deux

Can I do like I did that one time I went to a Beaver Pride meeting and pretend I like Bemidji for the food?

You can crash any party and pretend anything you want for free food! In addition to getting free eats, you're "pulling one over on them" and costing them $. Those two aspects make it doubly OK, especially if you tell them afterwards.

[gfmorris]

Re: CHA Thoughts and Prognostications: Year 11, The Finale... Part Deux

Can I do like I did that one time I went to a Beaver Pride meeting and pretend I like Bemidji for the food?

Do it again and we're revoking your Charger credentials...

GFM

[MikeAnderson]

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Got this from Beaver Pride, if Beaver Fans are interested:

On Sunday March 21st, the BSU Men's Hockey team will learn their 2010 Regional assignment. You are invited to join us at the Hungry Bear Banquet & Conference Center to celebrate and enjoy a Sunday Brunch with the team and coaches. The doors will open at 9:30 a.m. and the program, being aired live on ESPN2, will begin at 10:30 a.m.

Sunday's Menu, prepared by the Hungry Bear:

Pot Roast, Smoked Ham, Egg Bake & 3 Entrees to be named

Breakfast Potatoes & Seasonal Veggies

Sausage Links & Bacon

Pasta Salads, Green Salads & Assorted Cheeses

Desert & Sundae Stations

Beverage

Cost for the Brunch is $15 for Adults, Children (3-10) are $8, Infants/Toddlers 2 &under are free.

The Hungry Bear Banquet & Conference Center is located at 2300 24th St. (behind the Home Depot

Can I do like I did that one time I went to a Beaver Pride meeting and pretend I like Bemidji for the food?

[beaverhockeyfan]

Re: CHA Thoughts and Prognostications: Year 11, The Finale... Part Deux

Got this from Beaver Pride, if Beaver Fans are interested:

On Sunday March 21st, the BSU Men's Hockey team will learn their 2010 Regional assignment. You are invited to join us at the Hungry Bear Banquet & Conference Center to celebrate and enjoy a Sunday Brunch with the team and coaches. The doors will open at 9:30 a.m. and the program, being aired live on ESPN2, will begin at 10:30 a.m.

Sunday's Menu, prepared by the Hungry Bear:

Pot Roast, Smoked Ham, Egg Bake & 3 Entrees to be named

Breakfast Potatoes & Seasonal Veggies

Sausage Links & Bacon

Pasta Salads, Green Salads & Assorted Cheeses

Desert & Sundae Stations

Beverage

Cost for the Brunch is $15 for Adults, Children (3-10) are $8, Infants/Toddlers 2 &under are free.

The Hungry Bear Banquet & Conference Center is located at 2300 24th St. (behind the Home Depot

[beaverhockeyfan]

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On the whole high stick thing, and I will admit, I have not went back and watched the replay as much as some. BUT, the ruling on the ice was no-goal. In order to be overturned, the evidence has to be conclusive. From what I remember, I didn't see an angle that makes it conclusive. Sorry Purp fans.

Here is one for you, it happened in the WCHA Final Five last night. UMD and UND are tied at 0, UMD scores, but the goal is waved off by being directed with a UMD high stick. BUT, the puck hit the goalie and the skate of an UND defender before going into the net. The only reasoning I heard was that UND never gained possession to negate the high stick, so the goal did not count.

UND went on to win 2-0.

[gfmorris]

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Yeah, I think the key things were that 1) the stick got above the horizontal and 2) his shoulders dipped, making the stick look higher than it really was.

Anyway, you never know ... maybe the PEs get so excited that they take another penalty, leaving the Charger PP to go 4/6 on the night.

GFM <-- is really happy that, after a horrible start, the PP scored all four goals at the Dwyer

[5hole]

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Check the next to last replay. When checking the first replay, consider the aspect distortion of the elevated camera angle. Also, the stick is moving so fast that it looks like it disappears at its apex because it's moving faster than all of the combined refresh and digitization rates. Given all of those considerations, I couldn't overturn the call since Philo had the perfect position with the reference point in front of him.

Sorry, Terry, I don't agree. I looked at that replay many times. In particular, I did a lot of pausing around the 1:12, 1:13 mark, trying to create a freeze-frame effect. I do not see where the stick ever got above the top of the net - close but I think it was a bad call. When you freeze frame at that point, the little menu boxes pop up along the upper right hand side, effectively blocking the play- until you slide the mouse over the boxes and they disappear. At that point, after I freeze-framed over and over, I was confident that his stick was never above the net. The only thing I saw that might have even been close to be above the net was that he had the blade, at one point, at 12 o'clock. Perhaps the very end of the blade was above for a split second (questionable) but the stick itself was not carried above the net. And I thought the last angle showed it most clearly that his stick was never above the net. I think you are overplaying the distortion thing. Bad call.

But, hey, good luck to UAH in the NCAA. It was a good game, well-played by both teams.

[gfmorris]

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Well, you guys had to wait a long time for that redemption. I was going to say that I would hate to wait that long but, in reality, we will never get a chance for vindication. Believe me, I would rather win a CHA championship than an Atlantic Hockey ... the on-ice quality of the teams we faced in CHA was simply always better.

Curious ... Mackinder wrote: "Robert Morris came and though the Colonials don’t have any championships to show for their efforts (two finals losses in OT), played extremely well and should be a middle-of-the-pack team in Atlantic Hockey with Niagara."

Does he think both RMU and NU will be middle-of-the-pack AHA teams? I don't. I think they'll both be top-third or higher. The only thing I can see hurting RMU is if Schooley goes to WMU or wherever else he's rumored to go. [I figure RMU makes the most sense as he's a Bronco alum ... not that I expect him to leave the Colonials, because I don't.]

I thought your vindication, 5Hole, was in winning three tournament titles and making those NCAA appearances. At least you have a conference for next year. :sigh:

GFM

[wsp67326]

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Well, you guys had to wait a long time for that redemption. I was going to say that I would hate to wait that long but, in reality, we will never get a chance for vindication. Believe me, I would rather win a CHA championship than an Atlantic Hockey ... the on-ice quality of the teams we faced in CHA was simply always better.

Which is why I, at least, expect to see Niagara in the tournament every year (well, at least Niagara and Bobby Mo should be playing in the AHA finals every year).

[tnlong]

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... At no time do I feel that Iuorio's stick or stickblade got above the top of the cage. Did he get it past the horizontal? Yes, that obviously happened. Did he chop down to hit the puck? Yes. Was it amazing handiwork? Hell yes. ...

Check the next to last replay. When checking the first replay, consider the aspect distortion of the elevated camera angle. Also, the stick is moving so fast that it looks like it disappears at its apex because it's moving faster than all of the combined refresh and digitization rates. Given all of those considerations, I couldn't overturn the call since Philo had the perfect position with the reference point in front of him.

[5hole]

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Just for reference's sake:

1. The Durbin-Kingston affair happened on Dwyer ice.

2. The Gardner net-kick happened on VBC ice.

3. The Iuorio no-goal + Desmet GWG have, for Charger fans, erased all the frustrations of #1 and #2. But 5Hole is bound to not feel the same way.

GFM

Well, you guys had to wait a long time for that redemption. I was going to say that I would hate to wait that long but, in reality, we will never get a chance for vindication. Believe me, I would rather win a CHA championship than an Atlantic Hockey ... the on-ice quality of the teams we faced in CHA was simply always better.

[gfmorris]

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That fact amazed me too. You have a referree reviewing his own call and he already was adament about it. Why would he overule himself if even beyond a reasonable doubt? I think he blew the call. However the game is over and the result is in much like the Lowell-BU goal fiasco last year. BU is the defending NC and Lowell fans can just revel in their "stolen" conference banner. It makes you sick when you're on the losing end but the result is final and it will haunt you for years.

Just for reference's sake:

1. The Durbin-Kingston affair happened on Dwyer ice.

2. The Gardner net-kick happened on VBC ice.

3. The Iuorio no-goal + Desmet GWG have, for Charger fans, erased all the frustrations of #1 and #2. But 5Hole is bound to not feel the same way.

GFM

[BC/HE]

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Shucks, let's jump in here with my 2 cents...

For the two waved off goals:
1. The UAH no-goal was a no brainer but I'd like to point out that Coby wasn't trying to kick the puck into the net, he was trying to kick the puck to his stick but it went into the net before he could touch it. The pass came to his feet and we've all either seen it and/or done the same thing about a few thousand times. Unfortunately for him, he didn't get his stick on the puck before it went into the net. You can clearly see him slapping at the puck, just too late. The no-goal call was absolutely correct.

2. The NU no-goal, in my mind and based on the rules Terry posted below, could only be called if Philo believed Iuorio's stick was carried above the 4 ft level or the puck was above the 4 ft level when he struck it. I mean, what else can it be? The really iffy part to me, and it should bother the heck out of the Purps fans, was that the man who made the call was the same man who reviewed the call if I'm not mistaken. I just don't see him reversing himself since the call was so close to the magic 4 ft level and let's face it, it was a judgement call on his part as to the height of the puck/stick. I'll give him credit for not hesitating on the call but I sure see where there's room to complain... Just some more CHA history...

That fact amazed me too. You have a referree reviewing his own call and he already was adament about it. Why would he overule himself if even beyond a reasonable doubt? I think he blew the call. However the game is over and the result is in much like the Lowell-BU goal fiasco last year. BU is the defending NC and Lowell fans can just revel in their "stolen" conference banner. It makes you sick when you're on the losing end but the result is final and it will haunt you for years.

[gfmorris]

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Thanks, Terry, for posting the relevant rulebook reference ... my copy is at work, and I didn't want to go through the NCAA publications "checkout" process for my free copy of the rules. [Asinine, that.]

At no time do I feel that Iuorio's stick or stickblade got above the top of the cage. Did he get it past the horizontal? Yes, that obviously happened. Did he chop down to hit the puck? Yes. Was it amazing handiwork? Hell yes.

5Hole, glad to provide the video to you. It's on my Vimeo account if you want to use that to send it to Burky, Iuorio, or anyone else. Heck, if purpleeagles.com wanted to embed it on their site, I'd be honored.

GFM