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  • Regardless of MS7’s future, I see Conmy as a SEVERE flight risk. What’s our pitch? The program is on the upswing and you’re the centerpiece, and here come the twins to help you! Versus: I’m from the B1G and here’s a bag of cash. Maybe we can find a Patriots cheerleader to be his girlfriend. (note to HR: that’s a reference to actual events that preceded your time).
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    • Originally posted by Aerman View Post
      Regardless of MS7’s future, I see Conmy as a SEVERE flight risk. What’s our pitch? The program is on the upswing and you’re the centerpiece, and here come the twins to help you! Versus: I’m from the B1G and here’s a bag of cash. Maybe we can find a Patriots cheerleader to be his girlfriend. (note to HR: that’s a reference to actual events that preceded your time).
      Oh my...a Patriots gf? Speaking of a Pats cheerleader my son and a girl in his high school class were born on the same day....and she became a Pats cheerleader had the cover of the calendar twice...we are good friends with her parents. She went on to marry a hockey player..(she also went to UNH)

      But to your point this is a very real scenario and concerning. Fingers crossed but like I said in my last post money talks. UNH cannot counter this kind of thing.

      What makes him stay??? Surely arena improvements aren't gonna do it...geesh just when we think we are finally getting somewhere we have this to worry about.
      I'm just here for the hockey...

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      • Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
        Agree with Chuck’s take over KIA’s take on UNH goaltending so far this season. Besides Chuck’s GAA and SV% comparisons, I note that Muszelik gave up 13 goals in the three games against BU and Quinnipiac to begin the season. Moreover, Muszelik gave up 5 goals in the loss to RIT (yes 3 were PPG’s), and then gave up 5 goals (again, 2 were PPGs) in the loss to Army, which got him benched for the next 7 games as MS7 began to see his contract extension slip sliding away.
        Speaking of RIT was just poking around in the PWR...if the NCAA's started today they'd knock us out of our spot as they currently lead their division. (Please correct if I'm wrong actually it could be a couple of teams ASU or Minnesota State?)

        Regardless 16th is a very precarious place to be...with the possibility of winning your conference somewhat questionable. (A girl can dream!?!l
        Last edited by HockeyRef; 01-30-2024, 08:37 AM.
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        • Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
          Agree with Chuck’s take over KIA’s take on UNH goaltending so far this season. Besides Chuck’s GAA and SV% comparisons, I note that Muszelik gave up 13 goals in the three games against BU and Quinnipiac to begin the season. Moreover, Muszelik gave up 5 goals in the loss to RIT (yes 3 were PPG’s), and then gave up 5 goals (again, 2 were PPGs) in the loss to Army, which got him benched for the next 7 games as MS7 began to see his contract extension slip sliding away.
          Of course their numbers are different, but you are completely ignoring who the opponents were.

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          bu and quinnipiac scored more goals (against muselik) than sacred heart and dartmouth (against Hellsten)? How are you attributing the difference to the goalies?





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          • Originally posted by StillKIA2 View Post
            Of course their numbers are different, but you are completely ignoring who the opponents were.

            bu and quinnipiac scored more goals (against muselik) than sacred heart and dartmouth (against Hellsten)? How are you attributing the difference to the goalies?
            You're cherry-picking your data here, aren't you KIA, at least to some degree?

            IIRC my point earlier was that Hellsten's overall save percentage was .925-ish and Muselik's was .875-ish, which translates to Muselik allowing an extra goal than Hellsten for every 20 or so shots each of them faces. That's pretty significant, especially in a setting like Hockey East, which always proclaims itself as the toughest D-1 conference, from top to bottom, no easy nights off, etc. Further, I think my second point was that their respective save percentages tracked pretty closely with their pre-UNH careers, with Hellsten in Sweden and Muselik with USNDT. I'm not a stats-driven guy, but that extra save every 20 shots or so adds up to 1-2 less goals/game you need to score yourself to win.

            Muselik, like Robinson before him, may have had doors opened for him due to his size and perceived raw potential (although 6th round NHL draft pick is pretty much "hit and hope" as it is for TM), whereas Hellsten is more like Danny Tirone - smaller, undrafted, more agile - and is outperforming his teammate pretty regularly. MS7 sees them both every day, his job is literally on the line, likely highly dependent on finding ways to get W's, and get enough W's to (1) get to Boston, AND (2) into the national tourney, which (3) strongly influences his short and long term future income.

            I'm no great defender of MS7 KIA, but I think he's playing it correctly. If you were MS7 ... how long would you stick with a kid who has never consistently threatened a baseline .900 save percentage, when you've got an older, more experienced, and more reliable option on your roster? For Souza, getting this right is literally a million dollar decision, because a new contract with a decent raise is likely going to be worth at least that much more in career earnings, as opposed to much more modest salaries if he is non-renewed and has to take a step(s) down to start his next job. Don't forget, Souza felt compelled to go get Hellsten last offseason, at least in part due to having concerns about Muselik's ability (or lack thereof) to carry the program. It seems Hellsten has been a great get, better than the decent Fessenden (and DF outperformed, TM too).

            Was that OK on brevity? ;-)
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            • Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
              I think once you opt for a new head coach and staff, you kind of take it as part of the transaction that you're going to sustain collateral damage to some degree with your returning players AND incoming recruits still somewhere in the pipeline. You have to leave it to the new HC and staff to make decisions on prioritizing some of the guys you've mentioned, and cutting bait on others. This reminds me of some of the discussions on the UMaine thread after Barr was hired, and how certain posters feared that some of Red's players and incoming recruits would not be back (and I'm pretty sure UMass fans - most of whom post elsewhere - had similar concerns when Carvel/Barr arrived at Amherst) ... but not too many folks seem bothered about those long-ago quibbles now, do they?

              ...

              If AD Rich starts saddling her would-be new HC and his staff with mandates on returning players and future recruits/commits, any such HC is likely going to thank her for her time, and move on to the next opportunity, with someone who trusts his judgment. I'm sure AD Rich will ask any HC candidate what their thoughts might be regarding the present roster as part of the interview process, if only to assess how he's likely to run their program in the future. And any HC candidate worth their salt will come to an interview with a well-defined plan, and that's where you decide the guy who is going to do a better job than the last guy did. The next 60 days will be enlightening ...
              Since I started this retain the talent thought let me add a little color to what was in my head.

              I would NOT tell a new staff what to do. That is why you are hiring them, they need to tell you what needs to happen.

              Rather I want the AD to have her ducks in a row so that the non renewal of MS7 is not followed by 3-4 months of crickets, no head coach and every thing in limbo. Uncertainty like that for the players means they will go find certainty some place else. In the transfer portal world that means rats off the sinking ship, whoever is leaving last turn the lights out, etc. etc.

              As to how to get them to stay... well hopefully you are hiring a new coach that has a clue about selling a future to 17-23 year old hockey players. That skill is probably the biggest requirement to be a college coach. Getting them in the door is no longer enough, you need to sell it every day to keep them. You could also point out a couple of B1G transfers 1-13 in conference play, 9-13-4 overall, they might have had a better year staying put.

              It is up to the new staff for the make up of the team. It is up to the AD to not put that new staff behind the 8 ball by not acting with urgency.
              Last edited by JB; 01-30-2024, 10:56 AM.
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              • A good case and point is to look at what happened when Coach Herrion was let go last year, when many of his players immediately put their names into the transfer portal. Coach Davis was able to lure back #1 player Clarence Daniels (who was gathering some serious interest from some D-1 basketball powers) and 6'10" Ridvan Tutic. That, coupled with the fact that coach Davis was able to bring in decent new talent and that Mens Basketball is enjoying a winning season thus far means that AD Rich made the right decision. If you read some of the comments on the UNH basketball boards, several posters have even said that AD Rich "knocked it out of the ballpark" in hiring Nathan Davis.

                If it all comes to fruition, I expect any new hire for Mens Hockey to do the same thing, and that is to sell, sell, SELL. JMHO.
                Last edited by Scott; 01-30-2024, 10:43 AM.
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                • Originally posted by StillKIA2 View Post

                  chuck…brevity.
                  You must be new around here. :-)

                  I admit that I learn a lot of sports stuff that I did not know from Chuck, which I appreciate.

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                  • Originally posted by Scott View Post
                    A good case and point is to look at what happened when Coach Herrion was let go last year, when many of his players immediately put their names into the transfer portal. Coach Davis was able to lure back #1 player Clarence Daniels (who was gathering some serious interest from some D-1 basketball powers) and 6'10" Ridvan Tutic. That, coupled with the fact that coach Davis was able to bring in decent new talent and that Mens Basketball is enjoying a winning season thus far means that AD Rich made the right decision. If you read some of the comments on the UNH basketball boards, several posters have even said that AD Rich "knocked it out of the ballpark" in hiring Nathan Davis.

                    If it all comes to fruition, I expect any new hire for Mens Hockey to do the same thing, and that is to sell, sell, SELL. JMHO.
                    Scott, good to know. I didn't pay close attention to the Men's Hoops change other than it happened. Sounds like AD Rich moved with enough urgency that Coach Davis had a chance to retain at least some of the talent if he wanted to.
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                    • Originally posted by HockeyRef View Post

                      Speaking of RIT was just poking around in the PWR...if the NCAA's started today they'd knock us out of our spot as they currently lead their division. (Please correct if I'm wrong actually it could be a couple of teams ASU or Minnesota State?)

                      Regardless 16th is a very precarious place to be...with the possibility of winning your conference somewhat questionable. (A girl can dream!?!l
                      At the moment there would be two auto seeds, the tourney winners in the AHA and CCHA, but not the Independents. So, that means the PWR cutoff would be 14th, unless I am missing something. I do not think that even going 0.500 over our remaining 12 games would maintain our 16th in PWR, let alone jump back up to 14th, unless the six wins were against BC, BU, and Maine. The losses to Yukon and UVM were devastating to our PWR, especially the home loss to Yukon.
                      Last edited by Snively65; 01-30-2024, 11:05 AM. Reason: Typo

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                      • Originally posted by Snively65 View Post

                        At the moment there would be two auto seeds, the tourney winners in the AHA and CCHA, but not the Independents. So, that means the PWR cutoff would be 14th, unless I am missing something. I do not think that even going 0.500 over our remaining 12 games would maintain our 16th in PWR, let alone jump back up to 14th, unless the six wins were against BC, BU, and Maine. The losses to Yukon and UVM were devastating to our PWR, especially the home loss to Yukon.
                        No truer words Snively!

                        Yep, those were games we absolutely needed to win. Heard through the grapevine Sat night while at the game the players were very pizzed off at themselves for the
                        previous nights loss. Showed it too when they took a commanding 4 zip lead after the first. Dang frustrating tho, losing that home game to Yukon...ugh.

                        Nothing worse than an opportunity lost!!

                        Last edited by HockeyRef; 01-30-2024, 01:59 PM.
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                        • Just to add a bit more to KIA’s (always welcome) conversation about the goalies … you’re not wrong about who has the better wins on their record. What I wouldn’t lose sight of in balancing that fact is how many goals the rest of the team had to post to get him those wins, and how many they didn’t score to get Hellsten his losses. UNH continues (like the Umile years) to be a team that plays both up and down to the talent they face. Army sticks out in my mind as a game where the skaters didn’t bring enough to the party to cover Muze’s terrible play. Still don’t know why MS7 didn’t pull him after the first.
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                          • Ref, that girl you know didn’t happen to marry a guy named Fornataro, did she?
                            Whenever I think of the past, it brings back so many memories. - Stephen Wright

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                            • Originally posted by JB View Post
                              Rather I want the AD to have her ducks in a row so that the non renewal of MS7 is not followed by 3-4 months of crickets, no head coach and every thing in limbo. Uncertainty like that for the players means they will go find certainty some place else. In the transfer portal world that means rats off the sinking ship, whoever is leaving last turn the lights out, etc. etc.

                              As to how to get them to stay... well hopefully you are hiring a new coach that has a clue about selling a future to 17-23 year old hockey players. That skill is probably the biggest requirement to be a college coach. Getting them in the door is no longer enough, you need to sell it every day to keep them. You could also point out a couple of B1G transfers 1-13 in conference play, 9-13-4 overall, they might have had a better year staying put.

                              It is up to the new staff for the make up of the team. It is up to the AD to not put that new staff behind the 8 ball by not acting with urgency.
                              To add to Scott's post regarding the Men's Hoops decision, and Coach Davis' success to date, it's also encouraging to note that AD Rich moved nearly as quickly to replace Coach Hubbard with Coach Weinrebe for Men's Soccer. Neither of the replacements were from existing staff, so the quickness of the two hires was especially laudable, and at least in the case of Men's Hoops, Coach Davis seems to have been an inspiring choice.

                              Given her track record to date, there's no reason to think AD Rich won't be ready to move quickly if necessary, should she come to a decision to non-renew. As with Herrion, she'll have had a year to prepare and plan for potential replacement options, and get some significant due diligence done well ahead of time on some long-term potential targets on her list. Hopefully her process will be agile enough as well, should a surprise or two emerge as viable candidate(s). Ideally, of course, MS7 will get the boys to run the table, get two games in both in Boston and at the site of the assigned Regional, and make this an easy decision to give Souza a modest extension.

                              As things presently stand, one cannot rule out the possibility of a bare-bones one year extension being given if it's a close call, and the AD is not totally pleased with the quality of replacement candidates under review. Neither can we rule out the possibility that MS7 finishes decently but AD Rich is super-smitten with the perfect replacement candidate, and makes a tough call to non-renew that she might not have made, had the quality of replacement candidate(s) not been as palatable. In hindsight, this may explain her Hoops decision last March, as Coach Herrion may have been back for another year if Coach Davis hadn't appeared on her radar?

                              As they say ... in life, sometimes timing is everything. Gonna be a very interesting 60 or so days, folks, so buckle up ...
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                              • Originally posted by Aerman View Post
                                Ref, that girl you know didn’t happen to marry a guy named Fornataro, did she?



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