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  • Meanwhile kudos to the UNH womens team for their win over BC last night and finishing up 3rd in HE...will host a playoff game next Saturday. I don't follow them but am thinking this is their best season in awhile...

    Think I'll check out that game next week...good luck Wildcats!
    I'm just here for the hockey...

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    • Originally posted by norbert View Post
      I think they played terrible hockey. Huard had a puck at the point and tried to pass across to the other D and it was picked off, lucky it wasn't a breakaway. On the 2nd goal Alex fell which was tough, but Jensen completely misplayed the 2 on 1. The more and more I watch, defense is just terrible. They don't need to play great but the basics are missing.
      OK, now after reading several times about how Fitzy "misplayed" a 3-on-1 a couple of weeks ago, and now Jensen "completely misplayed" a 2-on-1 last night ... norbie, are we asking enough questions about why these odd-man rushes are originating in the first place?? You seem to be giving the absent D-partners and/or covering forwards a pass for not being around to create these odd-man chances. Gagne fell "which was tough" ... well, him falling set up the 2-on-1 didn't it? Doesn't that put him higher in the blame pie chart than Jensen, who was unfortunately left (with the goalie) to clean up the mess that was dumped on them? I haven't seen the video yet (I will try later), but just on the surface of things, you seem to be inferring there is some fail-safe way of consistently breaking up 2-on-1's. Truth be told, short of improper spacing between the attacking skaters, it's usually a matter of "pick your poison" as the lone D, and hope for the best, isn't it?

      The Fitzy stuff seems to have gotten to the next level of silly. So you say a young frosh playing his first season of D-1 hockey is the worst D on the team in terms of plus/minus?? Shocker. Maybe, just possibly, the coaching staff sees him as a future solution, and knowing some of their veterans won't be back next season, they want to have a succession plan that doesn't involve sitting him out, and ensuring he's going to be on the transfer list shortly?? Let's look at Babbage's plus/minus as a frosh ... -4, in less than half the games. Prorated, guess what?? -8. Wow.

      I've seen the Fitzy "misplay" of the 3-on-1 that has led to lots of ridicule. Was he indecisive? Heck, yeah. Was it his fault that neither he nor Hellsten had support from the missing D AND a backchecking forward or two?? Uh, no. And 3-on-1 breaks should not be commonplace where any defender should be expected to routinely break it up (see earlier comments on 2-on-1's). Spacing of the attacking players again is always going to be the determining factor. Blaming the guy left behind to clean up the mess, as opposed to the guys who created it ... sorry, I'm not there with you. The fact that we normalize and tolerate the conditions that lead to these breaks, and not look to eliminate or minimize those shortcomings, well we're losing the plot right there.

      I'm not ready to say that Fitzy is the next Gildon-in-training; Max took a lot of frosh heat too, while learning on the job. That he didn't handle what was probably his first-ever 3-on-1 counter in a live game at this level against guys with D-1 talent, shouldn't be his cross to bear. I hope he can handle the "tough love" approach, but if we want a program filled with more talented Fitzy's than with Joe Schmoe 3rd-pairing-for-life types like we've been watching for the better part of the last decade, this is the price you have to be prepared to pay. JMHO.
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      • 'cats lost to a basically equal team on the road. Disappointing, but no shame in that. Need to hold serve at home tonight. UNH is who they are, improved in that they are fighting for a first round bye with a now diminished outside chance at a home game in the HEA quarters. I'll take the improvement from recent seasons, competing for a home game in the HEA play in round.

        Agree with Chuck on Fitzgerald. 6' 0' 165 lbs. Needs to bulk up, but I'm all for giving the North Reading kid some time.

        In the back of my head is the concern that this is a Hellsten mirage. Listed as a Junior, he's eligible next season, correct?
        I will not be out cheered in my own building.

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        • Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post

          OK, now after reading several times about how Fitzy "misplayed" a 3-on-1 a couple of weeks ago, and now Jensen "completely misplayed" a 2-on-1 last night ... norbie, are we asking enough questions about why these odd-man rushes are originating in the first place?? You seem to be giving the absent D-partners and/or covering forwards a pass for not being around to create these odd-man chances. Gagne fell "which was tough" ... well, him falling set up the 2-on-1 didn't it? Doesn't that put him higher in the blame pie chart than Jensen, who was unfortunately left (with the goalie) to clean up the mess that was dumped on them? I haven't seen the video yet (I will try later), but just on the surface of things, you seem to be inferring there is some fail-safe way of consistently breaking up 2-on-1's. Truth be told, short of improper spacing between the attacking skaters, it's usually a matter of "pick your poison" as the lone D, and hope for the best, isn't it?

          The Fitzy stuff seems to have gotten to the next level of silly. So you say a young frosh playing his first season of D-1 hockey is the worst D on the team in terms of plus/minus?? Shocker. Maybe, just possibly, the coaching staff sees him as a future solution, and knowing some of their veterans won't be back next season, they want to have a succession plan that doesn't involve sitting him out, and ensuring he's going to be on the transfer list shortly?? Let's look at Babbage's plus/minus as a frosh ... -4, in less than half the games. Prorated, guess what?? -8. Wow.

          I've seen the Fitzy "misplay" of the 3-on-1 that has led to lots of ridicule. Was he indecisive? Heck, yeah. Was it his fault that neither he nor Hellsten had support from the missing D AND a backchecking forward or two?? Uh, no. And 3-on-1 breaks should not be commonplace where any defender should be expected to routinely break it up (see earlier comments on 2-on-1's). Spacing of the attacking players again is always going to be the determining factor. Blaming the guy left behind to clean up the mess, as opposed to the guys who created it ... sorry, I'm not there with you. The fact that we normalize and tolerate the conditions that lead to these breaks, and not look to eliminate or minimize those shortcomings, well we're losing the plot right there.

          I'm not ready to say that Fitzy is the next Gildon-in-training; Max took a lot of frosh heat too, while learning on the job. That he didn't handle what was probably his first-ever 3-on-1 counter in a live game at this level against guys with D-1 talent, shouldn't be his cross to bear. I hope he can handle the "tough love" approach, but if we want a program filled with more talented Fitzy's than with Joe Schmoe 3rd-pairing-for-life types like we've been watching for the better part of the last decade, this is the price you have to be prepared to pay. JMHO.
          Agree on this analysis. D mistakes are glaringly visible and therefore often maligned. Fitzy is a frosh with a lot of upside.
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          • To follow up on Chuck’s post, I, too, remember Max Gildon having the puck stripped a few times on the PP at the blue line leading to 1 on 0 and 2 on 0 break always. And Gildon was 4 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier than Fitzgerald, and was a #66 overall NHL pick in 2017. Gildon’s numbers at UNH were -5, -7, -2; 23, 21, 29 points; 47, 45, 40 penalty minutes during the 2017/18, 2018/19, and 2019/20 seasons when the team was setting new lows each season. Gildon appears to be now playing in Europe after three seasons in the AHL. TvR and Brett Pesce from our earlier declining years, who also both left after their junior years, have been our most successful NHL D-men since Rod Langway.

            During our last Frozen Four season in 2002/2003, Garrett Stanford, who returned for spring semester after credits for a summer course in California did not transfer making him ineligible to play fall semester, stabilized the blue line by scoring a goal and 15 assists, more than any of the other D-men (Horst, Lubesnick (Jumbotron!), Teplitsky, Truelson, Mounsey, Barker, Yandle) who played many more games that season. Of course, we had Mike Ayers who played all but 66 minutes in net and a couple high-scoring forward lines.

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            • Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
              To follow up on Chuck’s post, I, too, remember Max Gildon having the puck stripped a few times on the PP at the blue line leading to 1 on 0 and 2 on 0 break always. And Gildon was 4 inches taller and 30 pounds heavier than Fitzgerald, and was a #66 overall NHL pick in 2017. Gildon’s numbers at UNH were -5, -7, -2; 23, 21, 29 points; 47, 45, 40 penalty minutes during the 2017/18, 2018/19, and 2019/20 seasons when the team was setting new lows each season. Gildon appears to be now playing in Europe after three seasons in the AHL. TvR and Brett Pesce from our earlier declining years, who also both left after their junior years, have been our most successful NHL D-men since Rod Langway.

              During our last Frozen Four season in 2002/2003, Garrett Stanford, who returned for spring semester after credits for a summer course in California did not transfer making him ineligible to play fall semester, stabilized the blue line by scoring a goal and 15 assists, more than any of the other D-men (Horst, Lubesnick (Jumbotron!), Teplitsky, Truelson, Mounsey, Barker, Yandle) who played many more games that season. Of course, we had Mike Ayers who played all but 66 minutes in net and a couple high-scoring forward lines.
              ..and posters here were more than happy to vilify Max for those turnovers...but anyway..I agree that Fitzy has an upside and he's been battling his adjustment to D1 hockey. I said earlier in the season that I liked his compete level and as he matures hes a solid dman.

              We lost terribly at the dot which isn't something we normally do. Doubt it led to the outcome but it was I think notable. Maybe UMass is just better than we are in that aspect of the game.

              As for "UNH being UNH" I still expected more from a team that swept Maine. Statistically we are similar to UMass and had alot of possession which should have led to more quality scoring opps. I'm not kidding myself that I have a clue for defensive analysis but they definitely held us off well.

              Darius you said that this weekend will be "telling" and I guess it has been so far. I get it where UNH is and am hapoy for the improvements but oh...that power play reeks. Wasn't much better for UMass who went 0/3.

              Let's go 'Cats!!!
              I'm just here for the hockey...

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              • Excellent post Chuck on the odd man rush analysis. We just need Fitzy to stop taking 5 minute majors. I'll take some rookie mistakes but the 5 minute major is a no-no for the 6th D man.

                HR, the UNH women are in 3rd right now but they need 1 point today at BC to secure the 3rd spot heading into their home quarterfinal next Sat at 6 pm. If BC wins today in regulation, they get the 3 spot back and UNH would drop to 4th. Puck drop is at 2 pm.

                The last time the UNH women hosted a HE playoff game other than a MBPBEGAM/WBPBEGAM game was back in 2012-2013, when they blew a 3-0 lead and lost 5-4 in OT to PC in a home HE quarterfinal match.
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                • Originally posted by whoop87 View Post
                  Excellent post Chuck on the odd man rush analysis. We just need Fitzy to stop taking 5 minute majors. I'll take some rookie mistakes but the 5 minute major is a no-no for the 6th D man.

                  HR, the UNH women are in 3rd right now but they need 1 point today at BC to secure the 3rd spot heading into their home quarterfinal next Sat at 6 pm. If BC wins today in regulation, they get the 3 spot back and UNH would drop to 4th. Puck drop is at 2 pm.

                  The last time the UNH women hosted a HE playoff game other than a MBPBEGAM/WBPBEGAM game was back in 2012-2013, when they blew a 3-0 lead and lost 5-4 in OT to PC in a home HE quarterfinal match.
                  Thank you for the info regarding the women's team! Wishing them alot of luck along the way. Seems both teams haven't hosted a home game in awhile...for the men (without looking) I'd say it was v UConn in 2015?

                  Might catch some of their game instead of everything else I should be doing before heading to Durham..
                  I'm just here for the hockey...

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                  • Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post

                    OK, now after reading several times about how Fitzy "misplayed" a 3-on-1 a couple of weeks ago, and now Jensen "completely misplayed" a 2-on-1 last night ... norbie, are we asking enough questions about why these odd-man rushes are originating in the first place?? You seem to be giving the absent D-partners and/or covering forwards a pass for not being around to create these odd-man chances. Gagne fell "which was tough" ... well, him falling set up the 2-on-1 didn't it? Doesn't that put him higher in the blame pie chart than Jensen, who was unfortunately left (with the goalie) to clean up the mess that was dumped on them? I haven't seen the video yet (I will try later), but just on the surface of things, you seem to be inferring there is some fail-safe way of consistently breaking up 2-on-1's. Truth be told, short of improper spacing between the attacking skaters, it's usually a matter of "pick your poison" as the lone D, and hope for the best, isn't it?



                    The Fitzy stuff seems to have gotten to the next level of silly. So you say a young frosh playing his first season of D-1 hockey is the worst D on the team in terms of plus/minus?? Shocker. Maybe, just possibly, the coaching staff sees him as a future solution, and knowing some of their veterans won't be back next season, they want to have a succession plan that doesn't involve sitting him out, and ensuring he's going to be on the transfer list shortly?? Let's look at Babbage's plus/minus as a frosh ... -4, in less than half the games. Prorated, guess what?? -8. Wow.



                    I've seen the Fitzy "misplay" of the 3-on-1 that has led to lots of ridicule. Was he indecisive? Heck, yeah. Was it his fault that neither he nor Hellsten had support from the missing D AND a backchecking forward or two?? Uh, no. And 3-on-1 breaks should not be commonplace where any defender should be expected to routinely break it up (see earlier comments on 2-on-1's). Spacing of the attacking players again is always going to be the determining factor. Blaming the guy left behind to clean up the mess, as opposed to the guys who created it ... sorry, I'm not there with you. The fact that we normalize and tolerate the conditions that lead to these breaks, and not look to eliminate or minimize those shortcomings, well we're losing the plot right there.

                    I'm not ready to say that Fitzy is the next Gildon-in-training; Max took a lot of frosh heat too, while learning on the job. That he didn't handle what was probably his first-ever 3-on-1 counter in a live game at this level against guys with D-1 talent, shouldn't be his cross to bear. I hope he can handle the "tough love" approach, but if we want a program filled with more talented Fitzy's than with Joe Schmoe 3rd-pairing-for-life types like we've been watching for the better part of the last decade, this is the price you have to be prepared to pay. JMHO.
                    The odd man rushes are created with poorly timed pinches. Huard is famous for trying to make a pass or move at the blue line or shooting into a shin pad. There should be work on both aspects, preventing them and if not how to play them. While a 2-1 is tough on D it can bee very basic from the standpoint of how to play it, and that is not with you back to a defender.

                    Babbage is not playing as a frosh, he is a junior who is +5 this year in 7 less games. Also he has 0 minutes in the box compared to 42. Having 2 majors and thus 2 games you were booted from puts your team in a terrible spot and should not be rewarded with continued ice time. There are going to be growing pains, but how long do you let it continue when you are fighting for your life in the PWR.

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                    • UnH Women's team up 5-3 in the second at Conte.

                      Fun Fact: Sister of former dman Ryan Verrier has 2 in this one...Go Lady 'Cats!
                      I'm just here for the hockey...

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                      • Originally posted by e.cat View Post

                        Hope you?re right 65. It all starts tonight.
                        Lots of games tonight that will impact PWR bubble teams:

                        UMass at UNH
                        Yukon at BU
                        NU at Maine
                        PC at UML
                        Cornell at St Lawrence
                        CC at Omaha
                        W Mich at St Clown
                        NICC - at UMich
                        Last edited by Snively65; 02-24-2024, 07:03 PM.

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                        • Cafarelli back in on the 4th line with Sweeney as the extra skater. No other changes other than hopefully the score.

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                          • Originally posted by HockeyRef View Post
                            UnH Women's team up 5-3 in the second at Conte.

                            Fun Fact: Sister of former dman Ryan Verrier has 2 in this one...Go Lady 'Cats!
                            Congrats to the UNH Womens securing 3rd place in HE sweeping the BC Eagles! Will host playoff game next Sat.opponent TBD
                            I'm just here for the hockey...

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                            • Originally posted by HockeyRef View Post

                              Congrats to the UNH Womens securing 3rd place in HE sweeping the BC Eagles! Will host playoff game next Sat.opponent TBD
                              Congrats to UNH women winning again today against the E-gulls. A gauntlet throw down to UNH men next weekend.

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                              • Besides scoring the only goal in first, JPT got three of team’s seven SOG’s. Give that third line more ice time, MS7!

                                Also, good improvement on FOW, with 11-5 in first.

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