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  • Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
    With the key word being "sometimes" no doubt, but all in all, I trust +/- as a decent-but-not-perfect measure of a player's two way responsibility.
    Glad to see you moving towards modern stats. If you like the value of being on the ice for a goal for or a goal against, you'll love the additional fact that goals are a less precise way of determining chances for or against because they can be somewhat random. If you look at shots on goal for or against while on the ice, you get a broader representative sample size.

    The Souza record:
    15-16 10th place
    16-17 10th place
    17-18 11th place
    18-19 8th place
    19-20 9th place
    20-21 10th place
    21-22 9th place
    22-23 10th place

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    • Originally posted by Whalers View Post

      KDean wouldn't exactly be a very nice guest if he said something different. "I am so excited for this year's team. The new sound system will be a huge upgrade and get us to a regional." (hey wait, is that Dean, MS7 or Marty saying that with a straight face??)
      Well obviously not...the event was reallly catered to season ticket holders for sure. I mean they even put our names up on the 'tron...nobody was saying these upgrades are the key
      to winning hockey east or a national title, tho it was mentioned as you'd expect as helpful additions to recruiting. I met the new goalie from NoDak last night, and I was going to ask
      him how he felt about coming from their palace to the 'Whitt. But decided against it. I mean, the 'Whitt isn't a dump. But I am in 100% agreement (drinking the blue and white koolaid here)
      that yeah, you've got to renovate but am not foolish enough to think this is THE issue as to why we haven't been to a Regional in 10 years....

      It was very obvious (and it was said as much) that KD is a mentor to Souza and from what I could tell he's hanging his hat on this relationship. UNH bros gotta stick together, right?
      But lets be very clear here...there is only one way 'short leash' (ok, that's not very nice) keeps his job in the coming seasons and that has to be to produce a winning product THIS
      YEAR. And if he doesn't? And gets renewed? I'd have to wonder how full that nice party they gave yesterday is going to be in 2024...although I can think of a ton of people who
      really do not care about the win/loss and will show up regardless...

      On a final note it was great to see you Scott as always and a few others on this board including aerman who isn't posting these days. Yep, we UNHers have to stick together.

      Ps I was always for the tron and the new sound system haha finally, we can hear what's going on penalty wise etc without a huge echo.
      Last edited by HockeyRef; 07-11-2023, 12:16 PM.
      Here we go 'Cats!!

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      • Ref, thanks for the report on the STH event. Yes it was as excepted but we didn’t think otherwise. Nice to hear that the sound system is really improved. I believe that the team will be also. If we have2/3 middle 6 players on the incoming, we should see up to 1/2 goal a game improvement. Liam and especially Cy were impacted down the stretch as HE teams had our number. With an upgraded middle 6 our first line will not be as susceptible to the total focus, hopefully benefiting the second and third lines.

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        • Originally posted by NCAA watcher View Post
          If you like the value of being on the ice for a goal for or a goal against, you'll love the additional fact that goals are a less precise way of determining chances for or against because they can be somewhat random. If you look at shots on goal for or against while on the ice, you get a broader representative sample size.
          No, no, no ... a thousand times NO. Goals are goals. You win by scoring more goals than the other guy. And I'll go you one further ... not all shots are equal. You give me my shots early in the game, I'll give you yours later in the game, and my team beats your team 80% of the time.

          Jeezus ... give them an inch, they wanna take a mile. Love ya 'watcher, but simply no can do here. ;-)
          Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
          Montreal Expos Forever ...

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          • Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post

            No, no, no ... a thousand times NO. Goals are goals. You win by scoring more goals than the other guy. And I'll go you one further ... not all shots are equal. You give me my shots early in the game, I'll give you yours later in the game, and my team beats your team 80% of the time.

            Jeezus ... give them an inch, they wanna take a mile. Love ya 'watcher, but simply no can do here. ;-)
            Sigh...and for a brief moment in time I thought Chuck had bought into the SOGs matter debate..ha!

            Here we go 'Cats!!

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            • Originally posted by Snively65 View Post
              Where is Grouchy UNHer to challenge Chuck when needed? How does one get “Three Weeks” from the 7-2-2 (2 SOW) run between Friday 6 January and Saturday 18 February? Grouchy would say that you need to double that “Three Weeks.” Had those two one-goal losses in Schenectady at the end of December been one-goal wins, then we would have been talking 9-2-2 (2 SOW) over a seven-week span. However, I agree that Grouchy is probably as upset as all of us are about the portal defections at the end of the season.
              No one misses GUNHer more than I do, Snives (of course, some seem to think I AM GUNHer, which categorically isn't true). Livens up the place, just like GUNHer's other alter egos have (IMO). But GUNHer would be 100% with me on this because this is what UNH's schedule and results in post-break '22/'23 looked like:

              * Two regulation losses to Union in the he11hole otherwise known as Schenectady;
              * Three regulation wins in 9 days in early-to-mid January (including a win over powerhouse Bobby V U.);
              * Home-and-away sweep by UMass Lowell (although UNH forced OT in one of their losses);
              * One week off for the boys to lick their wounds, and regroup for the stretch run ...
              * Three Weeks in February - four straight wins (two regulation), then two shootout "wins" vs. UMaine
              * Three straight losses - including in OT in the MBPBEGAM "playoffs" - the season ends with pffffftttttttt ...

              2022-23 Men's Ice Hockey Schedule - University of New Hampshire Athletics (unhwildcats.com)

              At least knowing MS7 looks to Kevin Dean as a mentor, we know he'll have a scouting job ready and waiting when AD Rich finally gets around to giving him his walking papers. And good for him, I hate ripping him a new one every other week, he deserves a job where he can work hard and excel at something - other than running a formerly nationally relevant D-1 hockey program into the ground, annoying local yokels like me and the rest of us, who much prefer to remember Souza The Clutch Player instead of MS7 The Inept Paisan/Umile Legacy Coach.
              Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
              Montreal Expos Forever ...

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              • Originally posted by HockeyRef View Post
                Sigh...and for a brief moment in time I thought Chuck had bought into the SOGs matter debate..ha!
                Mine is definitely a nuanced position, 'Ref. (1) Goals above all; (2) early goals - in a game where scoring has become more and more limited in recent years - matter A LOT; and (3) there ARE junk goals too (any ENG with a two+ goal lead is 99.9% worthless). Like I said, give me early SOG's, and I'll give you late SOG's, and I win more than you win.

                Not to turn the conversation too sharply, but I was watching Mexico-Qatar in Gold Cup Soccer the other night on replay.

                One team had 25 SOG's, the other team had one (1) SOG. SPOILER ALERT - Qatar won 1-0 with their only SOG.

                I laughed, thinking of our endless SOG debates on here ...
                Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
                Montreal Expos Forever ...

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                • Originally posted by After the Whistle View Post
                  Ref, thanks for the report on the STH event. Yes it was as excepted but we didn’t think otherwise. Nice to hear that the sound system is really improved. I believe that the team will be also. If we have2/3 middle 6 players on the incoming, we should see up to 1/2 goal a game improvement. Liam and especially Cy were impacted down the stretch as HE teams had our number. With an upgraded middle 6 our first line will not be as susceptible to the total focus, hopefully benefiting the second and third lines.
                  Good take on the situation! Let's hope! See ya in Oct!
                  Here we go 'Cats!!

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                  • Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post

                    Mine is definitely a nuanced position, 'Ref. (1) Goals above all; (2) early goals - in a game where scoring has become more and more limited in recent years - matter A LOT; and (3) there ARE junk goals too (any ENG with a two+ goal lead is 99.9% worthless). Like I said, give me early SOG's, and I'll give you late SOG's, and I win more than you win.

                    Not to turn the conversation too sharply, but I was watching Mexico-Qatar in Gold Cup Soccer the other night on replay.

                    One team had 25 SOG's, the other team had one (1) SOG. SPOILER ALERT - Qatar won 1-0 with their only SOG.

                    I laughed, thinking of our endless SOG debates on here ...
                    I've officiated big tournament games where number 16 beat number 1 1-0 and had like you said, ONE shot on goal. When the goal was scored the
                    players from the #1 team asked 'was that a real goal' I prob said something sassy like "is there any other kind"? Of course the team who beat #1 got creamed in the
                    next round but good for them.

                    I was talking to a player last night about the fun Union weekend (lol)...I said "I thought about what a long ride home you guys must've had" and he
                    said yeah; it was tough because we outshot them a ton" or something like that. Agree Snively that had UNH picked up a couple of W's that weekend that would
                    have been nice. Down 3 zip early in both games tho...oh never mind. I don't want that memory to cloud the FUN we had in 'hell hole Schenectady'.

                    Funny thing a week later I was in the hosp 2 days with heart stuff but the trip was worth all that fun lemme tell ya...Must've been the pizza..At
                    any rate this season will not be traveling to West Point but will prob do Sacred Heart depending on when our first grandchild is born/ due Christmas eve! Yippeeeeeee!!!!
                    Here we go 'Cats!!

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                    • Originally posted by HockeyRef View Post

                      I've officiated big tournament games where number 16 beat number 1 1-0 and had like you said, ONE shot on goal. When the goal was scored the
                      players from the #1 team asked 'was that a real goal' I prob said something sassy like "is there any other kind"? Of course the team who beat #1 got creamed in the
                      next round but good for them.

                      I was talking to a player last night about the fun Union weekend (lol)...I said "I thought about what a long ride home you guys must've had" and he
                      said yeah; it was tough because we outshot them a ton" or something like that. Agree Snively that had UNH picked up a couple of W's that weekend that would
                      have been nice. Down 3 zip early in both games tho...oh never mind. I don't want that memory to cloud the FUN we had in 'hell hole Schenectady'.

                      Funny thing a week later I was in the hosp 2 days with heart stuff but the trip was worth all that fun lemme tell ya...Must've been the pizza..At
                      any rate this season will not be traveling to West Point but will prob do Sacred Heart depending on when our first grandchild is born/ due Christmas eve! Yippeeeeeee!!!!
                      Congrats on El Nino. I have been to Tate Rink at West Point but not the new arena at Bobby V’s school. Both cousin and her husband nearby Sacred Heart and Quinnipiac have passed on the past six months, so no longer have a free place to stay for those away games. I suppose that that there are plenty of motels in the area.

                      Per your earlier post, you already know that I was for the Jumbotron before I was against the Jumbotron. :-)

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                      • Originally posted by HockeyRef View Post
                        At the barbecue...didn't know UNH will host the Women's Frozen Four this season. Met a bunch of players and will be hearing the new sound system shortly.

                        AD Rich outlined the improvements and they hope to break ground next Spring as they await some big bucks to make that happen.

                        Both Hilary Witt and Mike Souza addressed the crowd (which was decent). Both enthusiastic about the upcoming seasons and the things you dont see in the win/loss record that count as successes.

                        Souza was esp grateful to AD Rich as she has embraced the renovations to the Whitt. Also mentioned UNH has a ton of.players in dev camps right now..mentioned Harrison Blaisdell as a force for leadership (captain nod?) for the summer school students. Said there was a "different feeling" for the comimg season..guys are.ready to work and get better...

                        Kevin Dean was in the house as well and met with players as well as 3 other NHL coaches...interestingly Dean was on the UNH golf team? Cool to hear him speak.

                        Talked about the importance of supporting the team in good times as well as bad. Lauded the coaching staff and felt that UNH is on the upswing after the second half of last season.

                        Didn't hear anything that was new per se and didn't expect to but left thinking most are excited for October...

                        Go 'Cats!
                        Yes, good summary, thanks, Ref.

                        But, what is the connection between MS7 and KD (i.e., how is KD a mentor to MS7 as stated in later posts)?

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                        • Originally posted by HockeyRef View Post

                          Well obviously not...the event was reallly catered to season ticket holders for sure. I mean they even put our names up on the 'tron...nobody was saying these upgrades are the key
                          to winning hockey east or a national title, tho it was mentioned as you'd expect as helpful additions to recruiting. I met the new goalie from NoDak last night, and I was going to ask
                          him how he felt about coming from their palace to the 'Whitt. But decided against it. I mean, the 'Whitt isn't a dump. But I am in 100% agreement (drinking the blue and white koolaid here)
                          that yeah, you've got to renovate but am not foolish enough to think this is THE issue as to why we haven't been to a Regional in 10 years....

                          It was very obvious (and it was said as much) that KD is a mentor to Souza and from what I could tell he's hanging his hat on this relationship. UNH bros gotta stick together, right?
                          But lets be very clear here...there is only one way 'short leash' (ok, that's not very nice) keeps his job in the coming seasons and that has to be to produce a winning product THIS
                          YEAR. And if he doesn't? And gets renewed? I'd have to wonder how full that nice party they gave yesterday is going to be in 2024...although I can think of a ton of people who
                          really do not care about the win/loss and will show up regardless...


                          On a final note it was great to see you Scott as always and a few others on this board including aerman who isn't posting these days. Yep, we UNHers have to stick together.

                          Ps I was always for the tron and the new sound system haha finally, we can hear what's going on penalty wise etc without a huge echo.
                          THIS!!! UNH social media said 200 people attended. Even if they double counted that's 100 people which is like 94 more than post here ;-). This forum is a very small representation of the larger UNH hockey fan base. Not saying all non-posting fans are happy with the program, they are not, but there will still be people in the stands if next season is a losing one and/or Coach Souza's contract is extended.

                          Something that popped into my head the other day, maybe Dan or 'watcher have a thought: Would AD Rich offer an extension with a pay cut?
                          Last edited by Darius; 07-12-2023, 02:10 PM.
                          I will not be out cheered in my own building.

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                          • Originally posted by Darius View Post
                            Something that popped into my head the other day, maybe Dan or 'watcher have a thought: Would AD Rich offer an extension with a pay cut?
                            I'm not sure I even know where to begin on this one. Darius, you're trolling me/us, right??

                            Can you at least try to put some "meat on the bones" of this concept of yours?
                            Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
                            Montreal Expos Forever ...

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                            • Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post

                              I'm not sure I even know where to begin on this one. Darius, you're trolling me/us, right??

                              Can you at least try to put some "meat on the bones" of this concept of yours?
                              I believe that, like faculty, coaches are exempt employees usually under contract through collective bargaining agreements at public universities, which I think would make it extremely difficult to mandate a cut in pay without an institutional financial exigency or something like that. But, my larger question is what would be the point of a contract extension, regardless of salary, given eight years of demonstrated utter incompetency?
                              Last edited by Snively65; 07-12-2023, 07:24 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by Snively65 View Post

                                I believe that, like faculty, coaches are exempt employees usually under contract through collective bargaining agreements at public universities, which I think would make it extremely difficult to mandate a cut in pay without an institutional financial exigency or something like that. But, my larger question is what would be the point of a contract extension, regardless of salary, given eight years of demonstrated utter incompetency?
                                Off topic but were you involved in that recent rescue off Lafayette?? Falling waters trail?
                                Here we go 'Cats!!

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