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Actually, I have been thinking about the committee's process a bit, and the more I think of it, the more it seems to make sense to me.
What the committee uses the PWR for is to give an objective measuring stick when there is otherwise only a fine, indistinguishable line between teams. So, for example, a few years ago, UMD qualified by .0001 or even less, or Minnesota. Really, there is no difference that any person would recognize between the teams. But, the committee uses the PWR as a measuring stick.
However, the committee is then faced with the realities of hockey. It is a tight margin game. One of the margins which is granted to home teams is "last player change". In NCAA tournament play, the higher seeded team is designated the home team, and has the right of last change.
In some years, the range of, say 7-11 in the RPI (and in the PWR) is so tight that it amounts to less than 1/2 game of results. There is no way to distingish that, and some people might say "Hey, there isn't any difference. So, if the tournament can be made better in attendance or in novelty of matchups, just shuffle the teams to make it so." However, moving someone from 10 to 8, or from 8 to 9, changes their band, and thus changes their home/road status.
And, the committee doesn't want to do that. So, they adhere to the PWR perhaps more tightly than is actually necessary.
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Originally posted by Numbers View Post
I think that is correct.
1. Minnesota
2. Quinnipiac
3. Denver
4. Michigan
5. St. Cloud State
6. Boston University
7. Harvard
8. Penn State
9. Ohio State
10. Merrimack
11. Michigan Tech
12. Minnesota State
13. Western Michigan
14. Cornell
15. Colgate
16. Canisius
Minnesota to Fargo.
Quinnipiac to Bridgeport
Denver to Allentown
Michigan to Manchester
Pure serpentine leads to:
Fargo
1. Minnesota vs. 16. Canisius
8. Penn State vs. 9. Ohio State
Bridgeport
2. Quinnipiac vs. 15. Colgate
7. Harvard vs. 10. Merrimack
Allentown
3. Denver vs. 14. Cornell
6. Boston University vs. 11. Michigan Tech
Manchester
4. Michigan vs. 13. Western Michigan
5. St. Cloud State vs. 12. Minnesota State
This doesn't work because Penn State has to be in Allentown. The question then becomes, do we just move that whole bracket to Allentown? If the goal is to protect the #1, then no. If we can only have Penn State lined up against the #1, #2, or #3 overall seeds, then the only real option is to swap the BU-Tech and PSU-OSU matchups. That gives us:
Fargo
1. Minnesota vs. 16. Canisius
6. Boston University vs. 11. Michigan Tech
Bridgeport
2. Quinnipiac vs. 15. Colgate
7. Harvard vs. 10. Merrimack
Allentown
3. Denver vs. 14. Cornell
8. Penn State vs. 9. Ohio State
Manchester
4. Michigan vs. 13. Western Michigan
5. St. Cloud State vs. 12. Minnesota State
Next, we have some intra-conference matchups to fix. We can't have QU vs. Colgate. We can't have QU vs Cornell or Denver vs. Western Michigan either. Western Michigan has to play QU. The next question is do we also move Cornell to make it more equal? Perhaps...but let's wait for now. The other intra-conference matchup is Penn State vs. Ohio State. The easy flip is Ohio State and Merrimack. So, that gives us...
Fargo
1. Minnesota vs. 16. Canisius
6. Boston University vs. 11. Michigan Tech
Bridgeport
2. Quinnipiac vs. 13. Western Michigan
7. Harvard vs. 9. Ohio State
Allentown
3. Denver vs. 14. Cornell
8. Penn State vs. 10. Merrimack
Manchester
4. Michigan vs. 15. Colgate
5. St. Cloud State vs. 12. Minnesota State
Okay. We've protected the #1, placed all the hosts in their regionals, and have avoided intra-conference matchups. Now, what can be done to improve attendance. Does Cornell put more butts in the seats in Manchester than Colgate? I would presume so, but I would also defer to our east coast fans. It also "rewards" Denver over Michigan for being a higher overall 1 seed. I'd love to put St. Cloud in Fargo, but the new rule doesn't allow it. But, what about Minnesota State? Fargo doesn't need any help attendance wise, so I'm inclined to leave it be...plus, the committee hasn't really cared much about saving flights recently. So, my bracket in this scenario would be:
Fargo
1. Minnesota vs. 16. Canisius
6. Boston University vs. 11. Michigan Tech
Bridgeport
2. Quinnipiac vs. 13. Western Michigan
7. Harvard vs. 9. Ohio State
Allentown
3. Denver vs. 15. Colgate
8. Penn State vs. 10. Merrimack
Manchester
4. Michigan vs. 14. Cornell
5. St. Cloud State vs. 12. Minnesota State
So, you're treating BU as the #8 (from the #6), Tech as the #9 (from the #11), Western Michigan as the #15 (from the #13), Ohio State as the #10 (from the #9), Colgate as the #14 (from the #15), Penn State as the #6 (from the #8), Merrimack as the #11 (from the #10), and Cornell as the #13 (from the #14). That's a lot of changes.
Whew...hopefully this scenario doesn't play itself out.North Dakota
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Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
Yikes. So, here is one scenario: SCSU, Minnesota, Minnesota State, Merrimack, Colgate, and Canisius win. That gives the following Pairwise Rankings:
1. Minnesota
2. Quinnipiac
3. Denver
4. Michigan
5. St. Cloud State
6. Boston University
7. Harvard
8. Penn State
9. Ohio State
10. Merrimack
11. Michigan Tech
12. Minnesota State
13. Western Michigan
14. Cornell
15. Colgate
16. Canisius
Minnesota to Fargo.
Quinnipiac to Bridgeport
Denver to Allentown
Michigan to Manchester
Pure serpentine leads to:
Fargo
1. Minnesota vs. 16. Canisius
8. Penn State vs. 9. Ohio State
Bridgeport
2. Quinnipiac vs. 15. Colgate
7. Harvard vs. 10. Merrimack
Allentown
3. Denver vs. 14. Cornell
6. Boston University vs. 11. Michigan Tech
Manchester
4. Michigan vs. 13. Western Michigan
5. St. Cloud State vs. 12. Minnesota State
This doesn't work because Penn State has to be in Allentown. The question then becomes, do we just move that whole bracket to Allentown? If the goal is to protect the #1, then no. If we can only have Penn State lined up against the #1, #2, or #3 overall seeds, then the only real option is to swap the BU-Tech and PSU-OSU matchups. That gives us:
Fargo
1. Minnesota vs. 16. Canisius
6. Boston University vs. 11. Michigan Tech
Bridgeport
2. Quinnipiac vs. 15. Colgate
7. Harvard vs. 10. Merrimack
Allentown
3. Denver vs. 14. Cornell
8. Penn State vs. 9. Ohio State
Manchester
4. Michigan vs. 13. Western Michigan
5. St. Cloud State vs. 12. Minnesota State
Next, we have some intra-conference matchups to fix. We can't have QU vs. Colgate. We can't have QU vs Cornell or Denver vs. Western Michigan either. Western Michigan has to play QU. The next question is do we also move Cornell to make it more equal? Perhaps...but let's wait for now. The other intra-conference matchup is Penn State vs. Ohio State. The easy flip is Ohio State and Merrimack. So, that gives us...
Fargo
1. Minnesota vs. 16. Canisius
6. Boston University vs. 11. Michigan Tech
Bridgeport
2. Quinnipiac vs. 13. Western Michigan
7. Harvard vs. 9. Ohio State
Allentown
3. Denver vs. 14. Cornell
8. Penn State vs. 10. Merrimack
Manchester
4. Michigan vs. 15. Colgate
5. St. Cloud State vs. 12. Minnesota State
Okay. We've protected the #1, placed all the hosts in their regionals, and have avoided intra-conference matchups. Now, what can be done to improve attendance. Does Cornell put more butts in the seats in Manchester than Colgate? I would presume so, but I would also defer to our east coast fans. It also "rewards" Denver over Michigan for being a higher overall 1 seed. I'd love to put St. Cloud in Fargo, but the new rule doesn't allow it. But, what about Minnesota State? Fargo doesn't need any help attendance wise, so I'm inclined to leave it be...plus, the committee hasn't really cared much about saving flights recently. So, my bracket in this scenario would be:
Fargo
1. Minnesota vs. 16. Canisius
6. Boston University vs. 11. Michigan Tech
Bridgeport
2. Quinnipiac vs. 13. Western Michigan
7. Harvard vs. 9. Ohio State
Allentown
3. Denver vs. 15. Colgate
8. Penn State vs. 10. Merrimack
Manchester
4. Michigan vs. 14. Cornell
5. St. Cloud State vs. 12. Minnesota State
So, you're treating BU as the #8 (from the #6), Tech as the #9 (from the #11), Western Michigan as the #15 (from the #13), Ohio State as the #10 (from the #9), Colgate as the #14 (from the #15), Penn State as the #6 (from the #8), Merrimack as the #11 (from the #10), and Cornell as the #13 (from the #14). That's a lot of changes.
Whew...hopefully this scenario doesn't play itself out.
Personally, I hope it does. I like seeing people squirm in their little world.
But, in truth, my ideal bracket is that Northern Michigan wins, (I hate Mankato), and Colgate and CC both lose, so that Alaska gets in. Do the bracket however you want. I don't care. Alaska in and Mankato out. I would like that.
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Originally posted by BC/HE View Post
Holy Cross is also a 7 seed so with their game being first tonight it would mean CC could become the 8th team. Minnesota fans will love to be reminded of playing Holy Cross in North Dakota.National championships won by Big Ten schools : 23 (Michigan 9, Wisconsin 6, Minnesota 5, Michigan State 3, Ohio State 0, Penn State 0, Notre Dame 0)
National championships won by NCHC schools : 21 (North Dakota 8, Denver 8, MN-Duluth 3, Colorado College 2, St. Cloud State 0, Miami 0, NE-Omaha 0, Western Michigan 0)
23 > 21
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Originally posted by Numbers View Post
Personally, I hope it does. I like seeing people squirm in their little world.
But, in truth, my ideal bracket is that Northern Michigan wins, (I hate Mankato), and Colgate and CC both lose, so that Alaska gets in. Do the bracket however you want. I don't care. Alaska in and Mankato out. I would like that.North Dakota
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Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
I'd like to see CC make it...but in general chaos is fun to see play out, particularly with newish blood in the tournament. Perhaps a Michigan Tech, Western Michigan, Northern Michigan, and Michigan Frozen Four to go with it, with Western taking their first crown? That would be entertaining to see.Let's Go Broncos!
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Colgate kills Alaska's dream. If CC wins, Denver hangs on to #3 by slim margin. Likely brackets:
Fargo: 1-Minn v 16-Canisius, 6-SCSU v 9-Ohio State
Bridgeport: 2-Quinnipiac v 14-Merrimack (15-CC), 7-Harvard v 11-Minnesota State
Allentown: 3-Michigan(Denver) v 15-Colgate (14-Colgate), 8-Penn State v 10-Michigan Tech
Manchester: 4-Denver(Michigan) v 13-Cornell, 5-BU v 12-Western Michigan
There is the possibility of switching Cornell and Colgate, because Cornell can drive to Allentown.Last edited by Numbers; 03-18-2023, 09:11 PM.
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Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23With just one result left to be determined, I think the bracket shakes out something like this (rankings in parentheses are if CC comes back and beats SCSU)
Fargo
1. Minnesota vs. 16. Canisius
6. (7) St. Cloud State vs. 11. Minnesota State
Bridgeport
2. Quinnipiac vs. 14. Merrimack (or 15. Colorado College)
7. (6) Harvard vs. 9. Ohio State
Allentown
3. Michigan vs. 15. (14) Colgate
8. Penn State vs. 10. Michigan Tech
Manchester
4. Denver vs. 13. Cornell
5. Boston University vs. 12. Western Michigan
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Originally posted by Numbers View PostColgate kills Alaska's dream. If CC wins, Denver hangs on to #3 by slim margin. Likely brackets:
Fargo: 1-Minn v 16-Canisius, 6-SCSU v 9-Ohio State
Bridgeport: 2-Quinnipiac v 14-Merrimack (15-CC), 7-Harvard v 11-Minnesota State
Allentown: 3-Michigan(Denver) v 15-Colgate (14-Colgate), 8-Penn State v 10-Michigan Tech
Manchester: 4-Denver(Michigan) v 13-Cornell, 5-BU v 12-Western Michigan
There is the possibility of switching Cornell and Colgate, because Cornell can drive to Allentown.North Dakota
National Champions: 1959, 1963, 1980, 1982, 1987, 1997, 2000, 2016
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So the baseline if SCSU wins?
Fargo:
1. Minnesota (1)
2. Harvard (7)
3. Ohio State (9)
4. Canisius (16)
Allentown:
1. Michigan (3)
2. Penn State (8)
3. Michigan Tech (10)
4. Colgate (15)
Bridgeport:
1. Quinnipiac (2)
2. St. Cloud State (6)
3. Minnesota State (11)
4. Merrimack (14)
Manchester:
1. Denver (4)
2. BU (5)
3. Western Michigan (12)
4. Cornell (13)
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Originally posted by J.D. View Postdoes this Gopher analyst not know how offside works? the play they keep talking about is not offside.Originally posted by reBlurthe sober Trivino I know is not a guy who would force his way into a girl's room and attempt to rape her. I can't imagine him ever making anyone even feel uncomfortable when he's sober.There are plenty of players in my time covering the team who have looked at me differently or flirted with me or the like. Trivino has never been one of those players. Even outside of the rink, he'll say hi and is plenty of friendly, but has never been even close to saying or doing anything inappropriate.
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