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  • From the 'More Questions than it Answers' Department...

    Josh Hewitt on the Big Ten Hockey Facebook page posted a graphic of expenditures of NCAA D-1 MIH programs.

    Here are a couple...

    1., North Dakota, $5,453,864,
    2., Minnesota, $5,269,203,
    3., Notre Dame, $5,198,263
    4., Michigan, $4,464,256,
    5., Boston College, $4,360,627,

    21., Quinnipiac, $3,029,101,
    23., Clarkson, $2,630,662,
    25., RPI, $2,563,477,
    27., Saint Lawrence, $2,547,264,
    31., Colgate, $2,423,063,
    38., Yale, $2,073,478,
    41., Cornell, $1,990,819,
    51., Harvard, $1,374,610,
    52., Brown, $1,363,881,
    53., Dartmouth, $1,353,890,
    56., Princeton, $1,133,425,
    57., Union, $1,049,322.

    From me, "I see 57 programs listed. What was the last year that NCAA had 57 men's D-1 ice hockey programs? If it is more current than that, what programs are not included (and why)? More specifically, what year does it supposedly represent? And what exactly goes into those numbers? Thanks."

    From Josh, "It’s all the schools that have the records for expenses for the Men’s hockey program available and includes all expenditures for the program. Salaries, rink maintenance, travel, etc….
    GopherPuckLive periodically puts together an article to compare where Minnesota is compared to the rest of college hockey. Here is an article from 2018 as an example with additional info."

    "https://gopherpucklive.com/minnesota-ranks-second-for.../

    "The data I posted above is for this season. I don’t know if he is going to put together an article with further breakdown or not, but you should probably be able to find the data for your program in public records."

    While I still question a lot about the specifics of this ranking, it probably does fairly accurately show the basic differences between the expenditures of the Big Ten (and other) conference programs and those of the ECAC Hockey conference.


    Last edited by iowabasedtraveler; 03-30-2023, 11:23 PM.

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    • Originally posted by iowabasedtraveler View Post
      And what exactly goes into those numbers? Thanks."
      Some answers from Josh and GopherPuckLive (GPL):
      “FYI expenses include guarantees, athletically related student aid, contract services, equipment, fundraising activities, operating expenses, promotional activities, recruiting expenses, salaries/benefits, supplies, travel & any other expenses attributable to athletic activities.”

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      • Originally posted by iowabasedtraveler View Post
        From the 'More Questions than it Answers' Department...

        Josh Hewitt on the Big Ten Hockey Facebook page posted a graphic of expenditures of NCAA D-1 MIH programs.

        Here are a couple...

        1., North Dakota, $5,453,864,
        2., Minnesota, $5,269,203,
        3., Notre Dame, $5,198,263
        4., Michigan, $4,464,256,
        5., Boston College, $4,360,627,

        21., Quinnipiac, $3,029,101,
        23., Clarkson, $2,630,662,
        25., RPI, $2,563,477,
        27., Saint Lawrence, $2,547,264,
        31., Colgate, $2,423,063,
        38., Yale, $2,073,478,
        41., Cornell, $1,990,819,
        51., Harvard, $1,374,610,
        52., Brown, $1,363,881,
        53., Dartmouth, $1,353,890,
        56., Princeton, $1,133,425,
        57., Union, $1,049,322.

        From me, "I see 57 programs listed. What was the last year that NCAA had 57 men's D-1 ice hockey programs? If it is more current than that, what programs are not included (and why)? More specifically, what year does it supposedly represent? And what exactly goes into those numbers? Thanks."

        From Josh, "It’s all the schools that have the records for expenses for the Men’s hockey program available and includes all expenditures for the program. Salaries, rink maintenance, travel, etc….
        GopherPuckLive periodically puts together an article to compare where Minnesota is compared to the rest of college hockey. Here is an article from 2018 as an example with additional info."

        "https://gopherpucklive.com/minnesota-ranks-second-for.../

        "The data I posted above is for this season. I don’t know if he is going to put together an article with further breakdown or not, but you should probably be able to find the data for your program in public records."

        While I still question a lot about the specifics of this ranking, it probably does fairly accurately show the basic differences between the expenditures of the Big Ten (and other) conference programs and those of the ECAC Hockey conference.

        Expenditures is one thing, but how about revenue and NOI?

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        • Safe travels, Iowa!

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          • Originally posted by iowabasedtraveler View Post
            From the 'More Questions than it Answers' Department...

            Josh Hewitt on the Big Ten Hockey Facebook page posted a graphic of expenditures of NCAA D-1 MIH programs.

            Here are a couple...

            1., North Dakota, $5,453,864,
            2., Minnesota, $5,269,203,
            3., Notre Dame, $5,198,263
            4., Michigan, $4,464,256,
            5., Boston College, $4,360,627,

            21., Quinnipiac, $3,029,101,
            23., Clarkson, $2,630,662,
            25., RPI, $2,563,477,
            27., Saint Lawrence, $2,547,264,
            31., Colgate, $2,423,063,
            38., Yale, $2,073,478,
            41., Cornell, $1,990,819,
            51., Harvard, $1,374,610,
            52., Brown, $1,363,881,
            53., Dartmouth, $1,353,890,
            56., Princeton, $1,133,425,
            57., Union, $1,049,322.

            From me, "I see 57 programs listed. What was the last year that NCAA had 57 men's D-1 ice hockey programs? If it is more current than that, what programs are not included (and why)? More specifically, what year does it supposedly represent? And what exactly goes into those numbers? Thanks."

            From Josh, "It’s all the schools that have the records for expenses for the Men’s hockey program available and includes all expenditures for the program. Salaries, rink maintenance, travel, etc….
            GopherPuckLive periodically puts together an article to compare where Minnesota is compared to the rest of college hockey. Here is an article from 2018 as an example with additional info."

            "https://gopherpucklive.com/minnesota-ranks-second-for.../

            "The data I posted above is for this season. I don’t know if he is going to put together an article with further breakdown or not, but you should probably be able to find the data for your program in public records."

            While I still question a lot about the specifics of this ranking, it probably does fairly accurately show the basic differences between the expenditures of the Big Ten (and other) conference programs and those of the ECAC Hockey conference.

            Great find Iowa. I'm going share it on the RPI and credit you for unearthing it... safe travels to Tampa. Wish I was headed there !
            ""Ralph is the Chuck Norris of this board. Ralph doesnt sleep he just waits." - fishcore12

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            • Thanks, CU13 and Wicked. I am excited. Clarkson Doug arrives this afternoon from Ogdensburg, N.Y., and we will drive to Lorton, Va., this evening. Tomorrow, lunch with a college friend, then we board the Amtrak AutoTrain. We arrive in Sanford, Fla., Wednesday morning and will have lunch with a racing friend. Then on to Tampa, meeting Dartmouth Doug and picking up Alaska Mike at the airport. That last one is a Minnesota graduate. So, I will be cheering on Minnesota and Michigan’s opponent (Quinnipiac), while I fully expect Saturday’s national championship game will be a rematch of the Big Ten title game.

              P.S. - Each year I get two custom t-shirts made to wear at the Frozen Four, with different messages on each side. Yesterday I picked up this year’s shirts and they look great. Back side of Saturday’s shirt: “
              ”THANKS
              DON VAUGHAN
              FOR 30 YEARS
              OF COACHING
              COLGATE.”
              Last edited by iowabasedtraveler; 04-03-2023, 11:08 AM.

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              • Originally posted by iowabasedtraveler View Post
                I will be ready to start seeing who Colgate’s non-conference opponents will be for next season. Most of our reciprocal agreements should be concluded, so we should see some new opponents. And I personally hope that a couple of them are other NCAA tournament teams from this year. We will need to get right back on the horse.
                I have been trying to piece together Colgate's non-conference schedule for next season, based on our OOC history and what games have not yet been reciprocated.

                Unreciprocated games from 2022-23:
                • Maine (away x2)
                • Niagara (home x2)
                Unreciprocated games from 2021-22:
                • UConn (home x1)
                Unreciprocated games from 2019-20:
                • Boston College (away x1)
                • Providence (home x1)
                • Ferris State (home x1)
                And as an added bonus, the original non-conference schedule from the 2020-21 season, before a global pandemic disrupted things:
                • UConn (home x1) identified above
                • Northern Michigan (away x2) played in 2021-22
                • Providence (home x1) identified above
                • Merrimack (home x2) played in 2021-22
                • Catamount Cup (2 games)
                • Notre Dame (away x2)
                • Boston College (away x1) identified above
                • Canisius (home x1)
                Source: a Google Docs spreadsheet which can be found in the 2023-24 schedules thread.

                Nothing is official yet, but I have identified up to 13 OOC games for next season. Obviously, our limit is 12 games out of conference, so not everything listed above will happen next season.
                Colgate '09

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                • Hoping Alex Young stays for a fifth !
                  It all starts with the goaltending.

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                  • Alex Young is a junior......Colton Young is a senior and I, too, really hope he stays for his fifth year!!!!!

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                    • Originally posted by CU13 View Post
                      Alex Young is a junior......Colton Young is a senior and I, too, really hope he stays for his fifth year!!!!!
                      Colton Young has already signed a pro contract

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                      • NO!!!!!!!! It’s true - he has signed and is playing with the Greenville Swamp Rabbits !! Happy for him, but sad for us. Josh McKechney is also on that team.

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                        • Bummer....must be ECHL, good luck to him going forward ! Griffin Lunn and Tyler Penner are there also.

                          Last edited by sshablak; 04-06-2023, 03:33 PM.
                          It all starts with the goaltending.

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                          • Tonight’s national championship game:

                            PWR#1 Minnesota vs. PWR#2 Quinnipiac.
                            #1 in the West vs. #1 in the East.
                            #1 Offense in the USA vs. #1 Defense in the USA.

                            Should be a great game tonight.

                            Last night’s t-shirt was a hit (especially with UConn and Michigan fans)…

                            Front:

                            COLGATE BEAT
                            QUINNIPIAC
                            2 OUT OF 3
                            IN 2022-2023

                            and Back:

                            COLGATE FAN
                            WHO BOUGHT
                            TAMPA TICKETS
                            AFTER FIRST PERIOD
                            OF MICHIGAN GAME



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                            • Originally posted by iowabasedtraveler View Post
                              Tonight’s national championship game:

                              Last night’s t-shirt was a hit (especially with UConn and Michigan fans)…
                              Front:
                              COLGATE BEAT
                              QUINNIPIAC
                              2 OUT OF 3
                              IN 2022-2023
                              Good point IBT. Not a bad season for your beloved Colgate, being the only team to win the season matchup with the National Champions. Congrats to QU for a remarkable season and well-deserved championship.

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                              • Quasi, agreed… congratulations to Quinnipiac for winning the sport’s national championship. It was an incredible defensive battle, whereby the #1 defensive team limited the #1 offensive team to just 15 SOG. Smothered another one. And I am personally happy for Yanniv Perets, who I think mistakenly gets overlooked on the national level.

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