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  • blue1924
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    That was +/- from last season. This season, there is only 1 player with a positive +/- and that is Strom at +4. Other than Strom and Dylan Davies (who is even), everyone on the team has a negative +/-

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  • RPI67
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    Originally posted by blue1924 View Post
    Not a big poster here, and certainly haven't been following the team as long as some of you. I have been following pretty heavily for almost 10 years now since I was a freshman, so I only have 1 former coach to compare Smith to.

    Even in those first years Smith years when the record wasn't as good, I was a huge supporter of him, and especially his ability to develop players. Even when they weren't winning games, it looked like and felt to me that they were doing a lot right. Then when 2020 came, I thought like most of you that we had turned the corner and were set to continue winning ways moving forward. Last season, I was pleasantly surprised with the way the team played, especially at the end of the year. We should have won that series against the team that went on to win the league.

    I did not have a lot of faith again coming into this year. I think that first line (and especially Ture Linden) carried this team last season. I think we all may have forgotten after the good start this team had against weak opponents, but this team only returned about 30% of its goals (34/114) and 33% of its total points (102/306). Only 4 players that returned had a positive +/- last year, and only one of those more than a +2 (Jack Agnew at +4).

    This was going to be a down year for this team unless people made huge jumps for the freshman somehow filled the shoes of our top forward line and top defense pair that all departed. This isn't to say I am not disappointed and confused on how the team could possibly be 0-12 away from home. But there have been some plusses. I have been thoroughly impressed with what I have seen from some of the freshman, namely Muzzati, Evans and Smolinski.

    Not to say I am in love with everything this coaching staff has done. I really hate the way they play the powerplay. I was screaming in my head in the stands last weekend during that full 2 minutes of 5 on 3 against SLU where they just took ****ty shots from the outside. But, I am not ready to give up on this coaching staff yet, even with the way this year has gone.
    Thanks for the update about +/-. PP I think has given up 6 shorties.

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  • blue1924
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    Not a big poster here, and certainly haven't been following the team as long as some of you. I have been following pretty heavily for almost 10 years now since I was a freshman, so I only have 1 former coach to compare Smith to.

    Even in those first years Smith years when the record wasn't as good, I was a huge supporter of him, and especially his ability to develop players. Even when they weren't winning games, it looked like and felt to me that they were doing a lot right. Then when 2020 came, I thought like most of you that we had turned the corner and were set to continue winning ways moving forward. Last season, I was pleasantly surprised with the way the team played, especially at the end of the year. We should have won that series against the team that went on to win the league.

    I did not have a lot of faith again coming into this year. I think that first line (and especially Ture Linden) carried this team last season. I think we all may have forgotten after the good start this team had against weak opponents, but this team only returned about 30% of its goals (34/114) and 33% of its total points (102/306). Only 4 players that returned had a positive +/- last year, and only one of those more than a +2 (Jack Agnew at +4).

    This was going to be a down year for this team unless people made huge jumps for the freshman somehow filled the shoes of our top forward line and top defense pair that all departed. This isn't to say I am not disappointed and confused on how the team could possibly be 0-12 away from home. But there have been some plusses. I have been thoroughly impressed with what I have seen from some of the freshman, namely Muzzati, Evans and Smolinski.

    Not to say I am in love with everything this coaching staff has done. I really hate the way they play the powerplay. I was screaming in my head in the stands last weekend during that full 2 minutes of 5 on 3 against SLU where they just took ****ty shots from the outside. But, I am not ready to give up on this coaching staff yet, even with the way this year has gone.

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  • DavidNardolillo
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    Originally posted by Engineers View Post

    He has a .381 winning percentage at Rensselaer. I think you can overstate the 2020 season cause it was 3 years ago. The dude has a .381 percentage. He can’t recruit top players. Did covid help us no but it’s time to move on from 1 winning season like it justifies all the other poor seasons under him. Acting like we won the Super Bowl when we won 17 games is a little ridiculous. Actually if you look at the body of work he’s regressing as a head coach. So we have a regressing coach here. But yeah 2020 was a good year lol
    I don't think anyone on this page "acted like we won the Super Bowl" in 2020 but I think the head coach deserves to be cut some slack after the administration canceled a season and, unlike other schools, prevented the team from even practicing. It also wasn't Smith's fault that the administration held him in limbo over his contract for a year.

    In addition, RPI has had a total of 8 winning seasons out of the last 21 under 3 different coaches--that points to some issues bigger than who is behind the bench.

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  • Engineers
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    Originally posted by DavidNardolillo View Post

    As for this season, I think we knew that goals would be a challenge. Injuries have also an issue and guys have been playing banged up: one player broke a bone in his foot in the first month of the season, but he's always out there. The goaltending hasn't been at the same level as last year and that's hurt them badly. The defensive lapses are frustrating and not helping the goaltenders.

    My personal opinion is that Ben Barr was not hired because he struck the decision makers as not much different than the person he was replacing: a good recruiter from successful programs, but no head coaching or NHL assistant experience. That might have been the wrong decision in the long run, but I can understand why the school was looking for a different profile after Appert.

    Dave Smith was starting to turn things around and I don't think you can overstate how this program has been set back by the decision to completely prevent the team from practicing in 20-21, after the team was on fire in March 2020. This harmed recruiting and led to some departures that would have been avoided otherwise. I don't think that Ben Barr would be doing much better in that environment.

    There are some structural issues here as well that might be harder to address. It's a tough moment to make investments in facilities unless some generous alumni appear. The new transfer and NIL rules add a new dynamic that requires schools in the same position as RPI to make some uncomfortable decisions. Down the road at Siena, the school has endorsed an alumni-formed collective that tries organize sponsorship opportunities for student athletes. While that is creative, that also creates a variety of other issues that a school might want to avoid.
    He has a .381 winning percentage at Rensselaer. I think you can overstate the 2020 season cause it was 3 years ago. The dude has a .381 percentage. He can’t recruit top players. Did covid help us no but it’s time to move on from 1 winning season like it justifies all the other poor seasons under him. Acting like we won the Super Bowl when we won 17 games is a little ridiculous. Actually if you look at the body of work he’s regressing as a head coach. So we have a regressing coach here. But yeah 2020 was a good year lol

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  • troyboy
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    I knew fishcore 12 wasn't buying that correlation coefficient malarkey !

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  • troyboy
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    fishcore12's ability to cut out all the noise and drill down to the core(pun intended) issue is quite honestly stunning !!!

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post

    The correlation coefficient is about .503497. If I leave out Yale (thus no 2 in women and 11 in men), I get .778195. So you are correct. For anyone who doesn't know this, 1.0 is perfect correlation, 0.0 is completely random, and -1.0 is perfect negative correlation, that is 1 in one list is 12 in the other, 2 is 11, etc.

    I will try to remember to calculate this weekly.
    Well, it's been two weeks. The correlation coefficient has gone down to 0.35664. Without Yale, it is 0.763636. Yale moving to #12 and #1 had a big effect.

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  • AspyDad
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    Originally posted by fishcore12 View Post
    This all started when they moved the band from behind the goal. Not a shot at the band l, love their energy. Just need to move them back where they belong. There is my conspiracy theory for this past decade of performances.
    I call it the Flag dude curse

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  • DavidNardolillo
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    Originally posted by fishcore12 View Post
    This all started when they moved the band from behind the goal. Not a shot at the band l, love their energy. Just need to move them back where they belong. There is my conspiracy theory for this past decade of performances.
    That would definitely be an improvement!

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  • fishcore12
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    This all started when they moved the band from behind the goal. Not a shot at the band l, love their energy. Just need to move them back where they belong. There is my conspiracy theory for this past decade of performances.

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  • DavidNardolillo
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    Originally posted by Engineers View Post
    Looking like another 10/12 win season. I’m just as confused today as I was 5/6 years ago when they offered the job to an Atlantic hockey coach with a bad overall record in the weakest league in college hockey. I’m not surprised we suck this is exactly who we hired. He’s a sub 500 coach nobody should be suprised by lack of consistency or talent. Take a look at what Maine is doing if you need further proof. Benny Barr has the them playing hard consistent in year 2 and he has NHL talent coming in next year. I see no recruit next year other than Wallace if he’s even coming and hotson as good players.
    That’s the bad the good is DR smitty isn’t going to put up with this crap. I don’t see smith lasting long. If we have another **** poor season next year which I have no doubt we will I think we’re getting into letting smith go territory. Who knows if loose to Yale in the big red freakout that might be enough? Lol and you know we will lose to Yale. Theirs simply to many young really great coaches out their to let this **** keep going. The young man who’s leading Dubuque is a god place to start. Mcelroy ****ed up the Barr hire can’t do it again.
    As for this season, I think we knew that goals would be a challenge. Injuries have also an issue and guys have been playing banged up: one player broke a bone in his foot in the first month of the season, but he's always out there. The goaltending hasn't been at the same level as last year and that's hurt them badly. The defensive lapses are frustrating and not helping the goaltenders.

    My personal opinion is that Ben Barr was not hired because he struck the decision makers as not much different than the person he was replacing: a good recruiter from successful programs, but no head coaching or NHL assistant experience. That might have been the wrong decision in the long run, but I can understand why the school was looking for a different profile after Appert.

    Dave Smith was starting to turn things around and I don't think you can overstate how this program has been set back by the decision to completely prevent the team from practicing in 20-21, after the team was on fire in March 2020. This harmed recruiting and led to some departures that would have been avoided otherwise. I don't think that Ben Barr would be doing much better in that environment.

    There are some structural issues here as well that might be harder to address. It's a tough moment to make investments in facilities unless some generous alumni appear. The new transfer and NIL rules add a new dynamic that requires schools in the same position as RPI to make some uncomfortable decisions. Down the road at Siena, the school has endorsed an alumni-formed collective that tries organize sponsorship opportunities for student athletes. While that is creative, that also creates a variety of other issues that a school might want to avoid.

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  • troyboy
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    #1 Rule of Leadership The Fish Stinks From the Head down !!!

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  • AspyDad
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    Originally posted by Engineers View Post
    Theirs simply to many young really great coaches out their to let this **** keep going. The young man who’s leading Dubuque is a god place to start. Mcelroy ****ed up the Barr hire can’t do it again.
    #HireKirk

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  • AspyDad
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    I have been informed by an alumni that Reid Leibold has left the program. Reid, wishing you all the best in your future.

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