Harvard Crimson 2022-2023

[bothman]

Question...What's the significance of being #2 or #3 if they both get to Lake Placid, just last change ?

I would assume #2 seed is home team and gets last change?

[Skate79]

I would assume #2 seed is home team and gets last change?

Yes, this is the case. Harvard would be considered the 'home' team with last change. Could make a difference in a tight game.

[Skate79]

While I never thought Harvard was in trouble last night against the Saints, it got a bit uncomfortable in the third period with SLU coming on and the Crimson seemingly backing into their own end and struggling to move the puck. I was especially worried when Tresca took his second penalty of the game with a little under ten minutes left. Our special teams need work during the week off. Giving up two power play goals and not being able to generate chances with five power plays was disconcerting despite the Alex Laferriere 'gift' off the stick of the SLU goalie.

Can't believe I'm rooting for Yale tonight. But we need them to take down Cornell or we need a regulation win in Potsdam which won't be easy.

The ESPN+ announcers last night were obviously homers for SLU, but they lost all credibility when Sean Farrell got pulled down on the breakaway. The lead announcer calling it a cheap penalty was ridiculous. Even his partner had to tell him it was a good call.

[HUJFKLINE]

While I never thought Harvard was in trouble last night against the Saints, it got a bit uncomfortable in the third period with SLU coming on and the Crimson seemingly backing into their own end and struggling to move the puck. I was especially worried when Tresca took his second penalty of the game with a little under ten minutes left. Our special teams need work during the week off. Giving up two power play goals and not being able to generate chances with five power plays was disconcerting despite the Alex Laferriere 'gift' off the stick of the SLU goalie.

Can't believe I'm rooting for Yale tonight. But we need them to take down Cornell or we need a regulation win in Potsdam which won't be easy.

The ESPN+ announcers last night were obviously homers for SLU, but they lost all credibility when Sean Farrell got pulled down on the breakaway. The lead announcer calling it a cheap penalty was ridiculous. Even his partner had to tell him it was a good call.

Completely agree Farrell deserved the penalty shot. However, one announcer mentioned something about a rule indicating if the player, in this case Farrell, manages a shot on goal despite being taken down only a minor 2 minute penalty is given, in this case hooking. Did the ref miss something here?

[HUJFKLINE]

Anyone care to hazard odds on 1) Harvard winning the Whitelaw Cup and/or 2) making it to the Frozen Four in Tampa?

[StateofHockey78]

Anyone care to hazard odds on 1) Harvard winning the Whitelaw Cup and/or 2) making it to the Frozen Four in Tampa?

4 to 1 odds on the Claw, 12 to 1 on the FF.

[Skate79]

Completely agree Farrell deserved the penalty shot. However, one announcer mentioned something about a rule indicating if the player, in this case Farrell, manages a shot on goal despite being taken down only a minor 2 minute penalty is given, in this case hooking. Did the ref miss something here?

I heard the same thing from the second announcer. Don’t really understand what the difference between getting a shot off versus not getting a shot off in determining a penalty shot. First I heard about it.

[bothman]

Harvard performance was lackluster. After a strong 1st period, shot totals in 2nd and 3rd not good enough.

PP defense needs work. Not challenging point and not moving guys out the front of the net. Harvard is very east to score against on the PP right now. And Harvard PP too stagnant. Could not even bring the puck into the zone cleanly.

Not sure we beat Clarkson tonight with a repeat performance.

As for larger sights, Harvard’s issue is depth. Top 2 lines could play anywhere, but the falloff is notable compared with Top 5 programs where 4 lines can roll.

[Kepler]

LOL. This is so monumentally stupid, I'll actually apologize.

[Lynah Rink]

LOL. This is so monumentally stupid, I'll actually apologize.

So you think the Ivy League should use a different system for awarding points than the rest of college hockey? 3x3 OT is stupid, but counting a 3x3 OT win/loss as equal to that of a regulation win/loss is even more stupid. Harvard needed 3x3 OT to get three of its wins this season, and Cornell didn’t. Therefore, Cornell wins the Ivy League.

[Skate79]

Harvard performance was lackluster. After a strong 1st period, shot totals in 2nd and 3rd not good enough.

PP defense needs work. Not challenging point and not moving guys out the front of the net. Harvard is very east to score against on the PP right now. And Harvard PP too stagnant. Could not even bring the puck into the zone cleanly.

Not sure we beat Clarkson tonight with a repeat performance.

As for larger sights, Harvard’s issue is depth. Top 2 lines could play anywhere, but the falloff is notable compared with Top 5 programs where 4 lines can roll.

It would help if in two weeks we get Karpa, Miller and Severo back in the lineup. All three were missing last night. Karpa has been out almost a month. Not sure what is going on there.

[Skate79]

So you think the Ivy League should use a different system for awarding points than the rest of college hockey? 3x3 OT is stupid, but counting a 3x3 OT win/loss as equal to that of a regulation win/loss is even more stupid. Harvard needed 3x3 OT to get three of its wins this season, and Cornell didn’t. Therefore, Cornell wins the Ivy League.

And I suppose if the reverse were true and Cornell needed three wins in OT, you would say that Harvard deserved the Ivy title right? Yeah, I thought so. Remember that one of those wins came against you guys and you had the chance to win it in regulation or OT. So stop whining.

[Skate79]

Harvard performance was lackluster. After a strong 1st period, shot totals in 2nd and 3rd not good enough.

PP defense needs work. Not challenging point and not moving guys out the front of the net. Harvard is very east to score against on the PP right now. And Harvard PP too stagnant. Could not even bring the puck into the zone cleanly.

Not sure we beat Clarkson tonight with a repeat performance.

As for larger sights, Harvard’s issue is depth. Top 2 lines could play anywhere, but the falloff is notable compared with Top 5 programs where 4 lines can roll.

When healthy, I'm okay with the bottom six. I don't think we're going to match any of the top five programs in terms of depth. Too much to ask of an Ivy program. This weekend, Matthew Coronato was held scoreless (third game in four that he has not registered a goal) and we still came away with wins. Baker Shore, Ryan Drukulac, and Philip Tresca have all contributed. Getting Karpa back will help and give our third line some punch.

[Lynah Rink]

And I suppose if the reverse were true and Cornell needed three wins in OT, you would say that Harvard deserved the Ivy title right? Yeah, I thought so. Remember that one of those wins came against you guys and you had the chance to win it in regulation or OT. So stop whining.

Honestly? If Harvard ended up with more points under the current system, then yes, I’d say they deserve it. It would be ridiculous to count 3x3 OT as equivalent to 5x5 regulation. If two teams play 60 minutes of 5x5 and the game is still tied, 5 minutes of OT played at 3x3 so as to vastly increase the chances of a goal should NOT count for full credit of a win or loss.

To be clear, I’m not claiming Cornell has a better team than Harvard. I’m simply saying that Cornell had a better record in Ivy League games this season than Harvard did, and therefore deserves the Ivy title.

[Skate79]

Honestly? If Harvard ended up with more points under the current system, then yes, I’d say they deserve it. It would be ridiculous to count 3x3 OT as equivalent to 5x5 regulation. If two teams play 60 minutes of 5x5 and the game is still tied, 5 minutes of OT played at 3x3 so as to vastly increase the chances of a goal should NOT count for full credit of a win or loss.

To be clear, I’m not claiming Cornell has a better team than Harvard. I’m simply saying that Cornell had a better record in Ivy League games this season than Harvard did, and therefore deserves the Ivy title.

i disagree about the 3x3. I've seen several ECAC games this season outside of Harvard that have gone to OT, and it has produced some great hockey. Yes, it's wide open and not the traditional 5x5 but it still should count as a W or L (and I think when they made this change, the point reduction from 3 to 2 reflects the acknowledgement that it isn't a traditional OT). What I can't stand are the shootouts. That has zero to do with team competition and I wish they would eliminate it.