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  • Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
    At this point, I feel awful that Brandt got wrapped up in this
    Agree, but he has that experience at D1 level now and can use that to vault into another opportunity. He had to understand the situation before taking the job.
    gwhinwi's: Wisconsin Badgers Recruiting Spreadsheet & Individual Face-Off Statistics

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    • Whoever they go after has to understand today's kids and be able to work with them. I think some of the older coaches are losing touch with this new generation of players. It's a lot tougher than it used to be. It's why I'm interested in a USHL coach if they can't get Hastings (which I don't think they will). They have to manage these younger guys and they have to manage a whole organization typically and there have been stellar coaches in the past coming out of there.
      gwhinwi's: Wisconsin Badgers Recruiting Spreadsheet & Individual Face-Off Statistics

      EODS: De-Commit / Non-Pro Early Departure List

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      • I remember some not wanting this but Rohlik is such an obvious choice. Consistent, proven winner in the Big Ten at a school that does not care about hockey.

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        • Originally posted by digitalbooya View Post

          I think if we want someone who fits all of:
          - 40s (young)
          - excellent coaching record
          - excellent recruiting record
          - knows and appreciates Badger Bob’s legacy
          - not a badger alumni

          Who even fits that criteria?

          I’d settle for 40s/50s, excellent coaching record and excellent recruiting record. It’s going to be hard enough to find someone with these three important categories. The knowing Badger Bob’s legacy/alumni status are less important compared to the first three things.
          I know you don’t like it. And maybe don’t even appreciate it yourself.

          this is like saying a new Green Bay coach doesn’t have to know the history of or respect Vince Lombardi.

          it’s kind of crazy.
          Everything in its right place, Wisconsin Hockey National Champs!


          "but you're not as confused as him are you. it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel". Tap pt 1.

          "I think it's ****ing stock. What--? Which part of that is unclear to you? I think it sounds stock to my ears. I mean, do you want me to write it down?" Tap Pt. 2

          Who???! So What!!!! Big Deal!!!!

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          • Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
            At this point, I feel awful that Brandt got wrapped up in this
            I'm sure he's a smart guy and he knew this outcome could be likely. Strand and the other guy who got axed with Eaves landed on their feet. Andy will too and he's younger. The coaches know what is going on at WI, he won't be radioactive.

            Someone mentioned that Eaves may have propped up Oz and his D considering how bad the D are under him. I think that is a very astute observation. They managed to make K'Andre Miller look bad and the minute he was a Ranger he was suddenly a better player.
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            • Originally posted by Timothy A View Post

              I'm sure he's a smart guy and he knew this outcome could be likely. Strand and the other guy who got axed with Eaves landed on their feet. Andy will too and he's younger. The coaches know what is going on at WI, he won't be radioactive.

              Someone mentioned that Eaves may have propped up Oz and his D considering how bad the D are under him. I think that is a very astute observation. They managed to make K'Andre Miller look bad and the minute he was a Ranger he was suddenly a better player.
              I've wondered about that too. How could Miller look so bad, and then so quickly look so good? I don't think it was a change in effort...which leaves the coaching. The D has looked horrible for several years now.

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              • Originally posted by Timothy A View Post

                I'm sure he's a smart guy and he knew this outcome could be likely. Strand and the other guy who got axed with Eaves landed on their feet. Andy will too and he's younger. The coaches know what is going on at WI, he won't be radioactive.

                Someone mentioned that Eaves may have propped up Oz and his D considering how bad the D are under him. I think that is a very astute observation. They managed to make K'Andre Miller look bad and the minute he was a Ranger he was suddenly a better player.
                Yep. The more time passes the better Mike Eaves looks as a coach. In fact, if Oseicki didn’t bail on him as a recruiter, Eaves would likely still be in Madison. That’s the thing that derailed Eaves. Recruiting after Oz left.
                Everything in its right place, Wisconsin Hockey National Champs!


                "but you're not as confused as him are you. it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel". Tap pt 1.

                "I think it's ****ing stock. What--? Which part of that is unclear to you? I think it sounds stock to my ears. I mean, do you want me to write it down?" Tap Pt. 2

                Who???! So What!!!! Big Deal!!!!

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                • Originally posted by solovsfett View Post

                  Yep. The more time passes the better Mike Eaves looks as a coach. In fact, if Oseicki didn’t bail on him as a recruiter, Eaves would likely still be in Madison. That’s the thing that derailed Eaves. Recruiting after Oz left.
                  Recruiting due to terrible choices in hiring of assistants. Bill Butters, Gary Shuchuk, etc... By the time he got 2 decent ones again in JB Bittner and Luke Strand (now OSU's assistants), it was too late.
                  gwhinwi's: Wisconsin Badgers Recruiting Spreadsheet & Individual Face-Off Statistics

                  EODS: De-Commit / Non-Pro Early Departure List

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                  • Originally posted by WiscTJK View Post

                    Recruiting due to terrible choices in hiring of assistants. Bill Butters, Gary Shuchuk, etc... By the time he got 2 decent ones again in JB Bittner and Luke Strand (now OSU's assistants), it was too late.
                    Truth!
                    Everything in its right place, Wisconsin Hockey National Champs!


                    "but you're not as confused as him are you. it's not your job to be as confused as Nigel". Tap pt 1.

                    "I think it's ****ing stock. What--? Which part of that is unclear to you? I think it sounds stock to my ears. I mean, do you want me to write it down?" Tap Pt. 2

                    Who???! So What!!!! Big Deal!!!!

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                    • I don’t watch enough of the Rangers to say exactly if he’s stopped being a defensive liability or if they’ve just coached some of his boneheaded offensive issues (drop passes on the wrong side of the blue line while leaving the zone, anyone?).

                      All I know is that in Madison, it’s customary to just ignore anything happening in front of the goalie, because Granato will just yank the goalie and blame him for your mistakes.
                      If you want to be a BADGER, just come along with me

                      BRING BACK PAT RICHTER!!!


                      At his graduation ceremony from the U of Minnesota, my cousin got a keychain. When asked what UW gave her for graduation, my sister said, "A degree from a University that matters."

                      Canned music is a pathetic waste of your time.

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                      • Originally posted by solovsfett View Post

                        I know you don’t like it. And maybe don’t even appreciate it yourself.

                        this is like saying a new Green Bay coach doesn’t have to know the history of or respect Vince Lombardi.

                        it’s kind of crazy.
                        No, you’re putting too much emphasis on it for the coach. It’s the university’s job to know Badger Bob’s legacy and to honor that. It’s the coaches job to win.

                        You think Matt LaFleur is up at night trying to study Vince Lombardi? No. His job is to create a winning team now.

                        Do you think Fickell cares about Alvarez’s legacy or do you think Fickell cares about winning?

                        If you’re throwing these unnecessary requirements into the search, you’re left with no one. Only badger alumni truly know Badger Bob’s legacy nowadays.

                        Feel free to name your coach that fits all of the criteria I listed in my previous post. Certainly not Mike Hastings. Reinprecht played for Sauer and is from Canada. I doubt he paid much attention to UW prior.

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                        • Originally posted by digitalbooya View Post
                          Feel free to name your coach that fits all of the criteria I listed in my previous post. Certainly not Mike Hastings. Reinprecht played for Sauer and is from Canada. I doubt he paid much attention to UW prior.
                          Yes, legacy is meaningless to these kids. When you listen to UW women's players talk about Mark Johnson, many of them are not aware of his Olympic and NHL accomplishments prior to him sitting in their living room or after, MJ is too humble to go down that road. What are they interested in? The academics, the facilities, the current culture, building relationships, feeling comfortable, improving as a player, maybe fulfilling an Olympic dream and winning would be good. It's about the kids and their future, not UW and it's past. Legacy and pride in that legacy is for the fan, not the player.
                          Wisconsin Hockey: 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 WE WANT MORE!
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                          Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton:
                          "Baggot says Hughes and Rockwood are centering the top two lines...
                          Timothy A --> Great hockey mind... Or Greatest hockey mind?!?"

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                          • Originally posted by Timothy A View Post

                            Yes, legacy is meaningless to these kids. When you listen to UW women's players talk about Mark Johnson, many of them are not aware of his Olympic and NHL accomplishments prior to him sitting in their living room or after, MJ is too humble to go down that road. What are they interested in? The academics, the facilities, the current culture, building relationships, feeling comfortable, improving as a player, maybe fulfilling an Olympic dream and winning would be good. It's about the kids and their future, not UW and it's past. Legacy and pride in that legacy is for the fan, not the player.
                            100% agree. I’m not opposed to the coach knowing Badger Bob’s legacy. Tradition is important. But here’s the thing, if someone like Hastings doesn’t know it, the university can always help him honor that legacy. Bring the winning first and then teach them about our Badger legends.

                            It’s funny you bring up Mark Johnson though. What better guy is there to honor Badger Bob’s legacy than him? He’s an excellent coach. He would need a great assistant coach to get recruits…

                            I doubt Mark is interested at this stage. But that would at least intrigue me and it fits all of the criteria outside of not choosing a Badger alumni.

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                            • FWIW, I asked Jim Polzin what the probability level was of TG getting fire....he said high to very high. This guy is widely read, I think it's a good sign he chose to publicly answered the question. He could have just ignored the question.
                              Last edited by Timothy A; 02-22-2023, 01:27 PM.
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                              Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton:
                              "Baggot says Hughes and Rockwood are centering the top two lines...
                              Timothy A --> Great hockey mind... Or Greatest hockey mind?!?"

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                              • Originally posted by Timothy A View Post
                                FWIW, I asked Jim Polzin what the probability level was of TG getting fire....he said high to very high. This guy is widely read, I think it's a good sign he chose to publicly answered the question. He could have just ignored the question.
                                One can only hope. While I agree...after the debacle of reporters having the "inside scoop" for the Fickell hiring. I dont trust a word they say that has meaningful substance to it. Polzin was the biggest offender there too, rah rah-ing for Leonard and saying UW was hiring him.

                                What's frustrating is that King and Mac clearly dont care about hockey. Do we trust them to make a solid hire? They likely will hire a search committee with "criteria" then intervkew 3 candidates and throw a dart at a board.

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