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  • aktick
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    Originally posted by GoBucky18 View Post

    We can agree to disagree. College hockey was archaic compared to what it is in the modern hockey era, or 1992 on. They were dominant from 77-83 and even before then, college hockey was pretty much in its infancy, the best players in North America rarely played college hockey.

    The NCAA tournament was only 5 teams in 77. In 83 there were 8 teams and still only 3 Div 1 conferences. Outside of those 6 or 7 years I mention, Wisconsins record says they beat up on weak opponents and are averageish against stiff competition. The years past 83 that I refer too were marked by mostly ok to decent teams that once in a while would hit the jackpot and run the table if they didnt fall on their face (i.e. 99, 13, 14, 21).
    You’re wrong. (: I do agree with my long lost friend solovsfett. Wisconsin was elite from the early 70s until the mid-late 90s. Call it what you will after that…but it wasn’t garbage until about 2011-12.
    Last edited by aktick; 02-03-2023, 07:42 PM.

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  • GoBucky18
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    Well Im at the game and its a dumpster fire already. Michigan skating circles around Wi D. Moe has been in a shooting gallery and if not for his saves it could easily be 6-1 rt now.

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  • Lost_Husky
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    Originally posted by GoBucky18 View Post

    We can agree to disagree. College hockey was archaic compared to what it is in the modern hockey era, or 1992 on. They were dominant from 77-83 and even before then, college hockey was pretty much in its infancy, the best players in North America rarely played college hockey.

    The NCAA tournament was only 5 teams in 77. In 83 there were 8 teams and still only 3 Div 1 conferences. Outside of those 6 or 7 years I mention, Wisconsins record says they beat up on weak opponents and are averageish against stiff competition. The years past 83 that I refer too were marked by mostly ok to decent teams that once in a while would hit the jackpot and run the table if they didnt fall on their face (i.e. 99, 13, 14, 21).
    College hockey was turning out pros all the way back in the 60's. They didn't have the numbers or draft picks like today, but guys who played college hockey could and did end up in the pros. Yes, the college hockey playing style/game was different then, but so was the pro hockey game. You can't look with today's metrics/standards on generations past. It was a different era. All sports are like that.

    From an outside perspective as someone who loathes anything Badger/Cheesehead related, Wisconsin was considered a tough opponent until a little before the B1G came around. Now, it is still a nice W to beat Wisconsin, especially since they tend to over recruit and try to get players out of Tech they like.

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  • Timothy A
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    Looks like Madison.com hired a bb beat guy. We can hope TDM comes back to hockey once he starts.

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  • WiscTJK
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    BTN plus for TV this weekend I have it but most don't. 6 pm games.

    I am not getting in the discussion about '83 on, but I can say the last 12-13 years have been mostly terrible, a couple of disspointing and a year or two of decent.


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  • Timothy A
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    UW should be able to score on the loose playing UM squad. They missed Kehrer last week, hopefully he can this weekend, they will help the cause. STAY OUT OF THE BOX! Please.

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  • GoBucky18
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    Originally posted by solovsfett View Post

    I completely disagree with your statement that Wisconsin has always been a mediocre team. That’s just not supported by the facts.

    from 1972-3 through 1994-5 Wisconsin was very good to great and had arguably maybe 2 really lackluster years in that 22-23 year span and one of those down years was when “the rocket” stepped in for Badger Bob.
    We can agree to disagree. College hockey was archaic compared to what it is in the modern hockey era, or 1992 on. They were dominant from 77-83 and even before then, college hockey was pretty much in its infancy, the best players in North America rarely played college hockey.

    The NCAA tournament was only 5 teams in 77. In 83 there were 8 teams and still only 3 Div 1 conferences. Outside of those 6 or 7 years I mention, Wisconsins record says they beat up on weak opponents and are averageish against stiff competition. The years past 83 that I refer too were marked by mostly ok to decent teams that once in a while would hit the jackpot and run the table if they didnt fall on their face (i.e. 99, 13, 14, 21).

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  • solovsfett
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    Originally posted by GoBucky18 View Post

    I think it is fair to say '77-'83 is the zenith of the hockey program. However, that means WI played the likes of Mich, Mich St, and Notre Dame as part pf the WCHA. From a conference perspective theres no reason to say they arent long time league rivals.only Ohio St and Penn St are new arrivals.

    Outside of those 5 yrs, Wisconsin always has been a mediocre prgm that puts together a strong run every now and then thru beating up on teams like Mich Tech, Colorado College, Northern MI and Alaska and being decent against the top end competition like NoDak, Denver, UMD and the Goophs.

    I think its only a very small segment that wants to see those games. Look, I loved playing against NoDak and Denver and the like but those days are over. Adapt and survive. However, UW needs to make a better effort on playing against those teams in the non conf slate.
    I completely disagree with your statement that Wisconsin has always been a mediocre team. That’s just not supported by the facts.

    from 1972-3 through 1994-5 Wisconsin was very good to great and had arguably maybe 2 really lackluster years in that 22-23 year span and one of those down years was when “the rocket” stepped in for Badger Bob.

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  • Timothy A
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    Originally posted by GoBucky18 View Post
    The nepotism between the State Journal amd UW programs is pretty awful. Polzin, Lucas, and Baggot are the worst offenders. It has become just a giant tornado of self conratulatory back patting. There are no hard questions and people like Milewski were put on an island being dared to ask tough questions. There is zero accountability for the programs.
    Yeah and Baggot and Lucas were hockey guys originally. And it's sad seeing Posick having to buy into and sell the UW propaganda machine, he used to be an independent sports guy too. I'd love to hear how these 3 really feel about the program. I think to a certain extent Mileski is also owned by UW. There have been times where he could have asked hard questions and just chose not to do so. To me though a beat writer doesn't necessarily offer opinion they just state the fact. A columnist should be the one calling for heads to roll.

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  • GoBucky18
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    The nepotism between the State Journal amd UW programs is pretty awful. Polzin, Lucas, and Baggot are the worst offenders. It has become just a giant tornado of self conratulatory back patting. There are no hard questions and people like Milewski were put on an island being dared to ask tough questions. There is zero accountability for the programs.

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  • druzy192
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    Originally posted by Timothy A View Post

    Lack of interest in the readership of news with the program.
    There's lack of interest because the team hasn't won a playoff game in 12 years. That in part had to do with the lack of journalistic accountability on part of the Wisconsin Journal staff. They should have been calling this out years ago. Instead the team has gone on sucking for years without any columnist calling for the head coach to be fired. I mean that I supposed to be their job. Not the job of people griping on USCHO forums. Polzin is a waste. If basketball had not won an ncaa game in 3 years Polzin would probably have a column about basketball needing a change.

    Lack of accountability with the department and the journalists. And then the journalists say "theres a lack of interest". Really? Well ya you havent been doing your job for a decade what do you expect?

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  • GoBucky18
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    Originally posted by solovsfett View Post

    but 1996-2023 is what I’m talking about. Mostly mediocre hockey. 99 was a blip (albeit very fun), 04-06 was great, 10 was great, 13-14 waaaaay overrated imo. And the remaining years were average to sub-average.

    to a fan base that was once as rabid as UW hockey fans were after watching the team win 3 titles in less than 10 years (73, 77, 81) the last 27 years are simply not acceptable.

    And teams in the b10 do get to beat up on the weaker teams. Wisconsin is now one of those teams that gets destroyed. Is it a tougher league? Maybe because there are only 7 teams. But don’t discount a large segment of fans who would rather see Nodak, UMD, Denver and Northern Michigan on the schedule vs tOSU, Ped State, MSU etc
    I think it is fair to say '77-'83 is the zenith of the hockey program. However, that means WI played the likes of Mich, Mich St, and Notre Dame as part pf the WCHA. From a conference perspective theres no reason to say they arent long time league rivals.only Ohio St and Penn St are new arrivals.

    Outside of those 5 yrs, Wisconsin always has been a mediocre prgm that puts together a strong run every now and then thru beating up on teams like Mich Tech, Colorado College, Northern MI and Alaska and being decent against the top end competition like NoDak, Denver, UMD and the Goophs.

    I think its only a very small segment that wants to see those games. Look, I loved playing against NoDak and Denver and the like but those days are over. Adapt and survive. However, UW needs to make a better effort on playing against those teams in the non conf slate.

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  • solovsfett
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    Originally posted by GoBucky18 View Post

    I disagree that it has been 27 years in the making. They had some really good teams in the 90s...arguable should have beaten LSSU but got hosed by refs in 93, 99 team with Reinprecht/Heatley shpulda won it all but they fell on their face, 06 team won it, 2010 team ran into freight train of BC in final. 13 And 14 teams were great but fell on their face in 1st rnd of NCAAs. 2021 fell face first as well against a neutral zone trap skating in slush.

    Conference realignment has only been tough in the respect that the Big10 is much more difficult than WCHA was. We dont get to beat up on Sally anymore to inflate the record.

    And you gotta leave Nate LaPoint, the equipment manager off the fire list. That guy is a pros pro and no one does it better.
    1992 Wisconsin defeats LSSU with ANY other ref in the world as head referee.

    but 1996-2023 is what I’m talking about. Mostly mediocre hockey. 99 was a blip (albeit very fun), 04-06 was great, 10 was great, 13-14 waaaaay overrated imo. And the remaining years were average to sub-average.

    to a fan base that was once as rabid as UW hockey fans were after watching the team win 3 titles in less than 10 years (73, 77, 81) the last 27 years are simply not acceptable.

    And teams in the b10 do get to beat up on the weaker teams. Wisconsin is now one of those teams that gets destroyed. Is it a tougher league? Maybe because there are only 7 teams. But don’t discount a large segment of fans who would rather see Nodak, UMD, Denver and Northern Michigan on the schedule vs tOSU, Ped State, MSU etc

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  • WiscTJK
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    Originally posted by GoBucky18 View Post
    While I do think Alvarez couldnt give a rip about hockey, I dont really think Richter did either. It was a self sustaining program in an era of college hockey where there were fewer teams, competition for resources (recruits) was much different and more regional, and facility/amenities werent a huge deal. That world is gone. Richter prob told Alvarez, "dont worry about hockey, it sustains itself".

    What Alvarez really messed up was the fundraising structure, disbanding the individual sport booster prgms and pushing everything under the UW Fund. Yes, you can sport specific apply your donation...but how many really do that? Even that though was done because the rest of college football got into a facility arms race. You had to have new facilities to attract recruits.

    Even Kohl Center was purpose built for hockey and it is already dated. The ice has got to be brought down in size. Every recruit prob gets told by opposing schools, "you really want to skate on big ice? You know the NHL is 200 x 85. Youll slow your development."

    And how many kids in the Granato Era have really developed? Kunin, Frederic, Caufield, Holloway and Weissbach. With only Weissbach hitting 4yrs and only 1 player in his era hitting 100pts in Malone (out of sheer will, bc he wasnt an amazing player). Goalie has been a train wreck. Blue Liners another train wreck. A wholesale change is needed.
    The bolded I won't agree with. Herb Kohl was specific that the Kohl Center would be basketball first and fit in hockey. He didn't want another Bradley Center (built for hockey, used for basketball). That's why there are some many obstructed view seats at the Kohl Center (every row in the third level above row 3), where as the Bradley Center was great in every seat. I do agree on shrinking the ice and that would help the obstructed views and get more in line with most of the college venues now.

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  • WiscTJK
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    Originally posted by GoBucky18 View Post

    I disagree that it has been 27 years in the making. They had some really good teams in the 90s...arguable should have beaten LSSU but got hosed by refs in 93, 99 team with Reinprecht/Heatley shpulda won it all but they fell on their face, 06 team won it, 2010 team ran into freight train of BC in final. 13 And 14 teams were great but fell on their face in 1st rnd of NCAAs. 2021 fell face first as well against a neutral zone trap skating in slush.

    Conference realignment has only been tough in the respect that the Big10 is much more difficult than WCHA was. We dont get to beat up on Sally anymore to inflate the record.

    And you gotta leave Nate LaPoint, the equipment manager off the fire list. That guy is a pros pro and no one does it better.
    Agree with all of this. Especially Nate LaPoint, he is amazing on how fast he has sticks ready if someone breaks them and he has been used by Team USA.

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