Minnesota State 2021-22 Meet the new conference- same as the old conference

[icehawk]

This UND fan is pulling for your Mavs. Let’s Go Purple Cows!!!!

[MavHockey14]

Dryden McKay has been named a Hobey Baker Finalist. Two years in a row McKay has been in the Hobey Hat Trick.

One would think it comes down to Bobby Brink and Dryden McKay.

Seems some who have invaded this thread may not be so happy with this news, but the Hobey voters know who the best goaltender in America is, and he wears 29 for Minnesota State.

[MavHockey14]

The initial ticket allotment sold out in three hours, which was great to see. I’ve heard from a lot of people that will be making the trip, and I’m excited to see Mav Nation in Boston! One week from today!

[PullTheGoalie]

Congrats, Minnesota State. Northeastern STH selling two seats in sec 304 to the FF. $340 for two seats to all three games. Email me at jjj209k@comcast.net. Thanks!

[manurespreader]

Well... here is my jaded and unfair perspective on the goalies. Levi: he suffers from playing lousy competition. Maybe he is really good. Adam Wodon says he is. I've only seen him once, and yes he kept them in it. But also NU had struggles, which they started to get over late in the year. Their play in front of him got a lot better and his save % got worse, late. NU would have been a lot higher if Levi had been around all year and not missed some important games.
Perits, similar situation. Not that much competition which sways my viewpoint. Against the few tough games he was good. I only saw stats and I did see on tv one of the North Dakota games very early in the year.
McKay. I admit I was a skeptic and believe at least part of what moose man was saying. But, you know the more I saw him, and we saw him a lot, the more I came to believe he was a lot better than people gave him credit for.
Now who will win. I could care less honestly.

[moose97]

And his win% (against tougher competition, shutouts against St. Cloud, UMD, Massachusetts and Notre Dame) which is much higher than the other 2 means nothing? Really

Now that I'm home from work, I can dig into some of the numbers & reiterate my point. These three shutouts (again, ignoring the Notre Dame game - which wouldn't skew these figures a whole heck of a lot) you are creaming yourself over? McKay had a whopping combined 60 saves. Of the 9 periods played, McKay only faced double digit shots in one of them, that being the 3rd vs Duluth, in which he faced damn near a quarter (14 shots - 23%) of the 60 saved. The rest of the period save totals? 1 (lol), 7, 9, 7, 5, 8, 3, and 6. McKay barely broke a sweat in 8 of those 9 periods.

And there is the knock. Any time Mankato posts a shutout, the first thing any non MSU fan does is check the SOG. And they see ridiculous things like 5 total saves vs LSSU. Or 9 total saves vs UST. And all it does is perpetuate the belief that McKay is a product of the extremely talented defense in front of him. Fair or not, that perception has become the reality of how McKay is viewed. Take off your purple colored glasses and you might just see it too.

[moose97]

And his win% (against tougher competition, shutouts against St. Cloud, UMD, Massachusetts and Notre Dame) which is much higher than the other 2 means nothing? Really

Again, the Notre Dame game is irrelevant as it came after voting ended. Secondly, Mankato had by far the worst SOS (18) of the #1 seeds, and Northeastern (32) isn't as far behind as you seem to think

[Iwearpurple]

It's comical that you think having 200+ fewer saves & at the same time, a worse save% makes said goalie "the best"

And his win% (against tougher competition, shutouts against St. Cloud, UMD, Massachusetts and Notre Dame) which is much higher than the other 2 means nothing? Really

[bruinsfan11]

Everyone gets off on numbers and discounts the eye test is my problem; swap Swayman for anyone except maybe Spencer Knight in 2020 and would the team have been better??? Likely.

[J.D.]

For the record I never bought into LaFontaine being better than McKay. So maybe that's inconsistent of me since I think his numbers were better than McKay's. But this year I just can't look past Levi for this singular year.

[J.D.]

It's not an easy thing for voters to vote on. There are three outstanding candidates. Maybe voters vote McKay this time as it's his last shot. I don't know. They could rename it the McKay award for all I care as recognition for a career achievement. It's sorta like the stunning lack of Penrose awards for Jerry York. I have nothing against McKay but the quality of team around you should be a factor.

[Bale]

To be clear, I haven't seen any of these guys enough to know who is better. I just have a hard time looking past what Levi did on a clearly inferior team compared to Minnesota State/Quinnipiac.

I think that's kind of the rub. Dryden has had 4 years of top echelon goalie play, but it gets discousted because he's got a good team around him. It's impossible to come up with a stat that shows how defenseman are able to activate more in the offensive end or the lack of second chances he gives up. Dryden is underappreciated outside of the CCHA. The number of shots that a team gives up is the deciding factor in this award. He's legitimately an historical goalie in the context of wins, shutouts, gaa, and sace percentage, but it's not recognized because he's got a good team around him.

That's not to take anything away from Swayman, LaFontaine or Levi (who I am presuming will win). It's just the perspective of one mankato fan.

[Bale]

Can you dumb it down farther than Swayman plays for the Bruins and Dryden McKay will be a career AHL/Euro League goalie???

I mean, that has exactly nothing to do with a college award.

[J.D.]

Don't know whether you ever did. I do remember that we were told in 2020 that there was more to it than stats. There were "quality saves," which were never defined, and there was "Where would his team be without him?" (Don't know how you quantify that, but where they were WITH him was behind us in the Pairwise, and behind other teams in his own conference).
None of this is a knock on Swayman, by the way. He had a perfectly fine season. But the award certainly wasn't based on stats. But now, 2 years later, we're told that the ONLY thing that matters is stats, and Levi and Perets have better ones. You can understand why we're struggling a little bit with buying the arguments now.

To be clear, I haven't seen any of these guys enough to know who is better. I just have a hard time looking past what Levi did on a clearly inferior team compared to Minnesota State/Quinnipiac.

[moose97]

Final thing. The Richter is not for the "best" goalie, it is for the "most outstanding" (directly from the Richter website). Clearly, those who vote have placed an emphasis on a goalie making a difference in helping their team win. You don't have to like it, but thems the facts. Nothing stopping you guys from creating your own goalie of the year award out of spite. Hell, the Richter is only 8 years old. Not like it has some magical history behind it