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  • #91
    Yeah, tonight was a case of just shooting yourself in the foot. Silly penalties. Can't imagine the coaches are thrilled with not just the blown lead but the fact that it was so, so very preventable.

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    • #92
      Well that was absolutely diabolical. At least Hudson might be okish?
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      • #93
        Ugly game by Cat's, ranks up there with the stinker against Alaska earlier this year. Credit to UMASS as very skilled and balanced team. But UVM didn't show up and let UMASS control the game.

        Nice for Phil L. to get a goal against his old team and Yes Hudson played some good minutes. Looking for bounce back tonight, more disciplined effort and some fight - will be real disappointed if they roll over.

        UVM women at noon today. For fans who have not taken in a game you should see this team play. Good brand of hockey. Most enjoyable moments at Gut this year have been the handful of women's games I've taken in.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by UVM Cat in Texas View Post
          I get to some extent why we're picked dead last -- a bunch of really bad seasons, stacked one on top of the other; new coach; new goalie; etc. -- but I agree, there's no effin way we're finishing last. Just not gonna happen. I'd bet my left pinky finger on it. Go Cats.
          Preparing to have my left pinky lopped off! Didn’t watch any of the game last night, but it looks like we were absolutely annihilated! I don’t know, too early for concern? Do the Woodcroft Cats seem to play better on the road? Rebuilding takes time, but was honestly hoping for a little more by this point.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by UVM Cat in Texas View Post
            Preparing to have my left pinky lopped off! Didn’t watch any of the game last night, but it looks like we were absolutely annihilated! I don’t know, too early for concern? Do the Woodcroft Cats seem to play better on the road? Rebuilding takes time, but was honestly hoping for a little more by this point.
            Didn't watch much either - but dissecting the boxscore, the shot attempts were even so at least we played better, the problem was the PK which has been absolutely godawful the last few games. 4 PPGs against.

            Do think it's too early to panic - when your returners are mostly meh at best and your most promising freshman basically misses the entire season...**** happens. We didn't have that elite-level recruit in the system to ride to a rapid rebuild like UMass had with Makar, and we had no network to pull from, at all.

            Women's team hosts a Hockey East semifinal midweek though, so we got that going for us!
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            • #96
              VT Cat in Texas - careful with the self mutilation.

              As a fan who was at both games and stayed to the bitter end I've got some comments. As I said previously Friday was a stinker. Saturday started out better (1st period - down 1-0, and playing well), but quickly deteriorated in the last 2:05 of the 2nd period (3 goals during these last few minutes of the period). When an inferior team plays 5 V 5 it has a better chance to keep the score tight/low - when it goes on the PK - the good teams skills really come out. That is part of the story on Saturday as UMASS had 4 PP goals.

              End of the day UVM is better than previous last 2 years but watching UMASS (#10 in country and #1 in HE) you see how far we have to go. It's going to take more good recruiting classes to elevate the overall quality of the players. Case in point. Phil L. is UVM's leading scorer with 16 points (low #). Good kid, works hard, and from what I hear great in the locker room. We're lucky he decided to come here and provide some leadership. He played his first 4 years at UMASS, scoring 38 points in 129 games. Junior season 5 pts, and Senior season 6 points. With those #'s have to believe he was a bottom 6 forward. Comes to UVM and is on 1st line and gets all kinds of special team time. Hence his #'s increase on a weaker team. Our top 6 forwards are really 3rd/4th liners.

              Our recruiting has to elevate/get lucky and get higher skilled players in here. Again I have faith in Todd W. and his assistant coaches to beat the bushes across the world and find some diamonds in the rough or just plan out recruit and sell themselves and the University. Obviously winning helps recruiting and we've got to make incremental steps up the ladder. 21-22 currently at 6 wins. 22-23 - needs to be double digits. 23-24 - hopefully 14-16 wins. It's going to be something like that if (BIG IF) Todd can convince the right players to come here. My view.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Catfantoo View Post
                VT Cat in Texas - careful with the self mutilation.

                As a fan who was at both games and stayed to the bitter end I've got some comments. As I said previously Friday was a stinker. Saturday started out better (1st period - down 1-0, and playing well), but quickly deteriorated in the last 2:05 of the 2nd period (3 goals during these last few minutes of the period). When an inferior team plays 5 V 5 it has a better chance to keep the score tight/low - when it goes on the PK - the good teams skills really come out. That is part of the story on Saturday as UMASS had 4 PP goals.

                End of the day UVM is better than previous last 2 years but watching UMASS (#10 in country and #1 in HE) you see how far we have to go. It's going to take more good recruiting classes to elevate the overall quality of the players. Case in point. Phil L. is UVM's leading scorer with 16 points (low #). Good kid, works hard, and from what I hear great in the locker room. We're lucky he decided to come here and provide some leadership. He played his first 4 years at UMASS, scoring 38 points in 129 games. Junior season 5 pts, and Senior season 6 points. With those #'s have to believe he was a bottom 6 forward. Comes to UVM and is on 1st line and gets all kinds of special team time. Hence his #'s increase on a weaker team. Our top 6 forwards are really 3rd/4th liners.

                Our recruiting has to elevate/get lucky and get higher skilled players in here. Again I have faith in Todd W. and his assistant coaches to beat the bushes across the world and find some diamonds in the rough or just plan out recruit and sell themselves and the University. Obviously winning helps recruiting and we've got to make incremental steps up the ladder. 21-22 currently at 6 wins. 22-23 - needs to be double digits. 23-24 - hopefully 14-16 wins. It's going to be something like that if (BIG IF) Todd can convince the right players to come here. My view.
                I think this is a solid assessment, IMO.

                I know people look at UMass and think why can't we be them, but UMass had a Cale Makar-sized booster rocket that helped accelerate the rebuild. We flat-out didn't. In fact I'd argue we had virtually no recruiting network at all between the time Wallack left and the time Sneddon retired. (And I do think Wallack leaving mattered - for one example, Zach Okabe has been solid for St. Cloud and would be this team's top scorer, and he directly pointed to Wallack leaving as the reason he flipped his commitment)

                If you're going to try and mine New England and NY as that staff did, you're probably fighting a losing battle. You don't have the history of the Beanpot schools, the academics of an Ivy League, or the new hotness of UMass. So you're ending up with guys that you had to compete with like, Holy Cross for - discarded scraps the bigger schools didn't want. So you have to look elsewhere, and you can't rely on VT to constantly produce players with it being so small.

                I think it's a good sign that all of the coaches are/were working with WJC programs (Woody in Sweden, Moser with Slovakia, and Wiedler with Norway) because that can help you get inroads in those places (hell, one of the guys currently in the commit pipeline was on Moser's Slovak team) and when you're at those tournaments you're also exposed to other talent from around the world that you might be able to convince.
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                • #98
                  I agree with your recruiting comments and why I said "beat the bushes across the world" and the connection to Europe that our coaching staff has. We're not going to win recruiting battles in New England. Quebec unfortunately is too much of a wildcard and Ontario is pretty embedded with Clarkson/Cornell/Western Teams. The "Pro Ambitions and connections" that Todd has and can explain to players on what is required is also an angle as well. For a player they think NHL but Pro can also be AHL, KHL, Europe as well. Time will tell, really hope #14 Andrei Buyalsky is back next year. That is one component of the top 6 forwards that would help.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Catfantoo View Post
                    I agree with your recruiting comments and why I said "beat the bushes across the world" and the connection to Europe that our coaching staff has. We're not going to win recruiting battles in New England. Quebec unfortunately is too much of a wildcard and Ontario is pretty embedded with Clarkson/Cornell/Western Teams. The "Pro Ambitions and connections" that Todd has and can explain to players on what is required is also an angle as well. For a player they think NHL but Pro can also be AHL, KHL, Europe as well. Time will tell, really hope #14 Andrei Buyalsky is back next year. That is one component of the top 6 forwards that would help.
                    Yeah, having (probably) the best of the newcomers miss the whole season with injury has not helped. I liked what I saw early in the season. I wonder what exactly happened, because I don't think we've heard anything, whether it be from the TV people or the BFP.

                    Feel like it's damning of where our recruiting was that virtually none of the guys who committed under KS are still committed here; either they flipped beforehand or they transferred out.
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                    • I don't even think the biggest Pollyanna could've predicted that! Great for Harmon, great for the guys after a BRUTAL weekend
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                      • Thanks Catamounts! That was unexpected, but really appreciated (Merrimack fan here). You played my Warriors really tough, and glad you came up big tonight.
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                        • Well that was fantastic last night. Right from the puck drop you could see a different team out there (than this past weekend). This was a very tight hard fought college game. Every inch of ice was contested. We came to battle and our FC was outstanding. We spent alot of time grinding along the boards - cycling - and battling for loose pucks. NU had 14 shots after 2 periods and 22 for the game with 3-4 coming in last few minutes with goalie pulled. As Todd said special teams was a huge factor (1/3 on PP, and 2-2 on the PK). Up and down the lineup everyone was on the same page doing all the little things to help in the victory. I'm hoping this effort is there this weekend, and then into play-down round of playoffs. Team was pumped up after the victory - saluting the fans around the rink. Coming out of the locker-room they were pumped looking for family and friends. Harmon had a Cinderella moment with final home game shutout.

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                          • Originally posted by Catfantoo View Post
                            Well that was fantastic last night. Right from the puck drop you could see a different team out there (than this past weekend). This was a very tight hard fought college game. Every inch of ice was contested. We came to battle and our FC was outstanding. We spent alot of time grinding along the boards - cycling - and battling for loose pucks. NU had 14 shots after 2 periods and 22 for the game with 3-4 coming in last few minutes with goalie pulled. As Todd said special teams was a huge factor (1/3 on PP, and 2-2 on the PK). Up and down the lineup everyone was on the same page doing all the little things to help in the victory. I'm hoping this effort is there this weekend, and then into play-down round of playoffs. Team was pumped up after the victory - saluting the fans around the rink. Coming out of the locker-room they were pumped looking for family and friends. Harmon had a Cinderella moment with final home game shutout.
                            Yeah, you've gotta feel real happy for Harmon. Sat on the bench behind Stef for 3 years, then last year UVM barely played (+ no fans) and this season Gabe was just flat-out way better, but he finally gets his moment in the sun.

                            Finish the season strong and give us a good platform for next season. All I'm asking.
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                            • Yes, Go Cats Go! We’re on a winning streak!

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                              • Originally posted by UVM Cat in Texas View Post
                                Preparing to have my left pinky lopped off! Didn’t watch any of the game last night, but it looks like we were absolutely annihilated! I don’t know, too early for concern? Do the Woodcroft Cats seem to play better on the road? Rebuilding takes time, but was honestly hoping for a little more by this point.
                                Barring an epic choke job by BU, your left pinky will remain intact. If that score holds UVM is locked into the 10 spot.
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