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Originally posted by TalonsUpPuckDown View Post
If you're not going to immediately spray barf over the thought of going to Toledo, this might be a pretty cool venue twist: https://www.toledowalleye.com/en/winterfest
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Originally posted by DrunkTrainPolka View Post
i have absolutely no problem with toledo being part of the rotation...
Edit: And close to DetroitLast edited by TalonsUpPuckDown; 07-21-2021, 11:03 AM.
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Originally posted by Redridge View PostYou had me until ...Toledo... haha
This is absolutely what Tech needs to do. How the heck did Tech’s biggest recruiting series become tied to the UofM and MSU show? Cut the strings, leverage all of the teams along the great lakes. Get some of those games back with UMD, UND, and create some excitement with the upstate New York schools...
Move it to a traveling tournament. Sounds good. Has anyone done any marketing on this? Who knows. Enough alums and pull in other states? Not sure and depends on who else is in the draw.
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I think the farther you get from MI / WI / MN the population density of Tech alumni will drop off pretty quick so you'll want to keep it a mostly Midwest event. My other thought was to try and NOT invite other CCHA teams if possible. It is better for Tech to use the tourney to get games (and hopefully wins) against non-conference teams. Very few teams seem to want to come to Houghton so the tourney can be the opportunity to get two key non-conference wins on the books and help the end of year Pairwise Ranking for the NCAA tourney.
The Walleye were exactly what I was thinking about when I put Toledo on the list. Solid hockey town and a good enough facility to host a holiday tourney.Preserving Michigan Tech's Hockey History
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Originally posted by JohnsonsJerseys View PostI think the farther you get from MI / WI / MN the population density of Tech alumni will drop off pretty quick so you'll want to keep it a mostly Midwest event. My other thought was to try and NOT invite other CCHA teams if possible. It is better for Tech to use the tourney to get games (and hopefully wins) against non-conference teams. Very few teams seem to want to come to Houghton so the tourney can be the opportunity to get two key non-conference wins on the books and help the end of year Pairwise Ranking for the NCAA tourney.
The Walleye were exactly what I was thinking about when I put Toledo on the list. Solid hockey town and a good enough facility to host a holiday tourney.
if you stay in the "mid-west" (which i think is a must) what you have is the NACHO and the B1G.
can you create enough of a rotation? i don't think so. again, i have a hard time not seeing a total of at least two CCHA teams;
how about;
MTU-vs-NACHO -&- CCHA-vs-B1G - even years
MTU-vs-B1G -&- CCHA-vs-NACHO - odd years
regardless... it's a bigger risk not taking the chance on changing things.
bringing in a team from the east would be great... but attendance would suffer. but would it?
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Originally posted by DrunkTrainPolka View Post
i would love for tech to play non-CCHA teams... but in reality that would be hard to accomplish if you are considering a multi-state rotation with fans actually showing up.
if you stay in the "mid-west" (which i think is a must) what you have is the NACHO and the B1G.
can you create enough of a rotation? i don't think so. again, i have a hard time not seeing a total of at least two CCHA teams;
how about;
MTU-vs-NACHO -&- CCHA-vs-B1G - even years
MTU-vs-B1G -&- CCHA-vs-NACHO - odd years
regardless... it's a bigger risk not taking the chance on changing things.
bringing in a team from the east would be great... but attendance would suffer. but would it?
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Originally posted by giwan View Post
Long and legit history. John understood the need to be in front of the Alumni which many are around the Detroit area. Initially UM was not in it and John "HELPED" his friend Red and invited them. They then became co-host at some point. MSU was added as a guest. Then Tech went into a dark era while MSU and UM were doing well so important to keep them then. Things change.
Move it to a traveling tournament. Sounds good. Has anyone done any marketing on this? Who knows. Enough alums and pull in other states? Not sure and depends on who else is in the draw.
The last GLI without Michigan State was in 1978, and they were named a permanent invitee shortly after that while they were still a doormat.
Considering that neither one of the Michigan based B1G teams has much of a traveling fan base anymore and there's no TV to worry about, they really aren't anywhere near the factor they used to be in the days of PASS or Fox Sports Detroit.
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Originally posted by JohnsonsJerseys View PostAgreed on dumping Michigan and honestly State could go too. Let Tech run with it and make it their own.
Let's think outside the box. This does not have to be the Detroit Invitational. It is the GREAT LAKES invitational so how about moving the tourney each year with Tech as the host and pick-up three local teams to help with attendance issues. For example
Play in Milwaukee and bring in WI, MN and Notre Dame
Play in Duluth and bring in UMD, UND and St Thomas
Play in Rochester (NY) and bring in Penn State, Niagara and Cornell
Play in Toledo and bring in OSU, BGSU and Miami
So many great hockey towns around the great lakes. Is it more work to move it every year? Absolutely. But I also imagine it would be far cheaper than the LCA and with new location/teams every year you get new alumni involved and new opposing fans. Now if someone misses the GLI: "Ahh, no big deal, we'll go next year..." But if it isn't coming back to your area for 4-5 years, more people might actually plan to attend. If you want to split the work load, maybe pick another team to be co-host with Tech. Then you only need to find two teams each year. No reason in today's world to hold the same tourney every single holiday break.
Just look at the neutral games UND sets up, or the Ice Breaker or the US Hockey Hall of Fame game... they move around and become a desirable event because they don't repeat year after year after year. NCAA regionals should be the same thing, but people only have a week to prepare and make the trip so they don't draw as well.
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I've been thinking and you know, what's in it for the big schools. They already play each other. I also think if you are them, you might want to not do it every year, there are so many competing interests. So maybe you keep it going with MSU and then do like we've been doing, bring in another Michigan team and one non CCHA team. the big question is though, where are you going to have it and who is taking the financial risk. I think it needs to stay in the Detroit area someplace, I just wonder if it will be the same if it's not at LCA.MTU: Three time NCAA champions.
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Originally posted by manurespreader View PostI've been thinking and you know, what's in it for the big schools. They already play each other. I also think if you are them, you might want to not do it every year, there are so many competing interests. So maybe you keep it going with MSU and then do like we've been doing, bring in another Michigan team and one non CCHA team. the big question is though, where are you going to have it and who is taking the financial risk. I think it needs to stay in the Detroit area someplace, I just wonder if it will be the same if it's not at LCA.
Back in the heyday of the CCHA, the two B1G schools also didn't mind extra games against each other since they got the added benefit of getting used to JLA before the tournament concluded there. Along with the regular season game they started playing against each other there in 1991, that was a secondary reason to get an advantage over almost every other league team every season. Plus a guaranteed matchup in the regular season had better ticket sales than a potential meeting.
If you're going to hold a tournament, people need to attend to make it work. There are very few places with a draw for the casual college hockey fan especially in the "West", so you'd better find teams with big followings to guarantee the attendance - and those are few and far between too. So unless you have some other draw for the casual fan, making a tournament work with good crowds for all four games in today's college hockey is a pipe dream (excluding an exception like the Beanpot).
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Originally posted by John J. MacInnes View Post
The building wants big crowds, no matter where the building is. The reason that Olympia Entertainment wanted both B1G schools in was the draw of them playing each other in the championship game, which would attract the most day-of-game casual fans and increase the attendance. For many years the second day was a much bigger draw when it ended up with Tech in the 3rd place game against the field's invitee (since Tech fans were coming for both games no matter what) and Michigan State vs Michigan for the championship (where many fans didn't bother with the first day as they waited to see if their team would win their semifinals). Olympia was very successful with this for many years, but since 2011 they have only met for the title once. MSU has played in the 3rd place game for 7 of the past 8 tournaments, and UM has played it 5 times in that stretch. That brings zero casual fans.
Back in the heyday of the CCHA, the two B1G schools also didn't mind extra games against each other since they got the added benefit of getting used to JLA before the tournament concluded there. Along with the regular season game they started playing against each other there in 1991, that was a secondary reason to get an advantage over almost every other league team every season. Plus a guaranteed matchup in the regular season had better ticket sales than a potential meeting.
If you're going to hold a tournament, people need to attend to make it work. There are very few places with a draw for the casual college hockey fan especially in the "West", so you'd better find teams with big followings to guarantee the attendance - and those are few and far between too. So unless you have some other draw for the casual fan, making a tournament work with good crowds for all four games in today's college hockey is a pipe dream (excluding an exception like the Beanpot).
the other two teams come from minnesota; a mixed bag of NACHO, B1G, and CCHA teams.
yeah, i am being funny. but it would sell out.
or [now being 'more' serious] partner with UMD as a co-host, play in duluth every year and have the same mixed bag to pull from for the other two teams including wisco, nmu, and lssu.
again, INOVATE or DIE!
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