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Originally posted by amkirby10 View PostFishman might be the most negative fan about his own team I've ever seen.
Yes, the team is obviously not great right now. Just how bad they actually are is up for some debate. But to act like this program is unsalvageable is just ridiculous.
I defended Whitehead's talent down to the wire, even as I eventually joined the call for his head. But Red inherited NHL-quality players, and there's nothing like that for whoever takes the job now, clearly.
We have to hope that a guy with excellent recruiting pipelines and a lot of patience gets the nod, and that'll still take 3-4-5 years, minimum. This past regime has buried the program for a while, no two ways about it. If not for the blind hog/acorn deal with the amazing Swayman, Maine would not have had even a remote sniff of the NCAA's in years and years now.Last edited by Fishman'81; 05-10-2021, 09:36 PM.
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Fishman might be the most negative fan about his own team I've ever seen.
Yes, the team is obviously not great right now. Just how bad they actually are is up for some debate. But to act like this program is unsalvageable is just ridiculous.
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Originally posted by acs64 View PostLots to lose? Why is that? This is not going to be a coach which follows a legend. Its a coach after the coach after the coach that followed a legend. Its a clean slate where he has nothing to lose. Sure I suppose if you're talking Barr he may have some pressure on him to succeed. But there's a ton of history and a hungry fan base to work with. Its not as if the new guy has to win a NC his first year out, (second year would be acceptable, lol). Chit if the guy can recruit he can be very successful at UMaine, imo. And he might be pleasantly surprised by how great the fans are and what a special place it is to win at Alfond.
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Originally posted by Jackcurtis23 View PostSuspense is killing me too.
From NE Hockey Journal:
According to industry sources, Maine is likely to name a successor to Red Gendron in the coming days. Interim Maine head coach Ben Guite, UMass associate head coach Ben Barr and Quinnipiac associate head coach Joe Dumais are the favorites to land the top gig in Orono.
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Originally posted by acs64 View PostFCS Chuck if the guy isn’t willing to hang his ball sack out there for a good job then we don’t want him. He could apply instead for the HC of the sisters of charity broom ball team and be safe with nothing to lose. If you want to be a HC go for it
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Originally posted by Jackcurtis23 View PostSuspense is killing me too.
From NE Hockey Journal:
According to industry sources, Maine is likely to name a successor to Red Gendron in the coming days. Interim Maine head coach Ben Guite, UMass associate head coach Ben Barr and Quinnipiac associate head coach Joe Dumais are the favorites to land the top gig in Orono.
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Suspense is killing me too.
From NE Hockey Journal:
According to industry sources, Maine is likely to name a successor to Red Gendron in the coming days. Interim Maine head coach Ben Guite, UMass associate head coach Ben Barr and Quinnipiac associate head coach Joe Dumais are the favorites to land the top gig in Orono.
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The suspense is killing me. You would think that "early next week" means tomorrow at the latest, right?
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FCS Chuck if the guy isn’t willing to hang his ball sack out there for a good job then we don’t want him. He could apply instead for the HC of the sisters of charity broom ball team and be safe with nothing to lose. If you want to be a HC go for it
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Originally posted by acs64 View PostLots to lose? Why is that? This is not going to be a coach which follows a legend. Its a coach after the coach after the coach that followed a legend. Its a clean slate where he has nothing to lose. Sure I suppose if you're talking Barr he may have some pressure on him to succeed. But there's a ton of history and a hungry fan base to work with. Its not as if the new guy has to win a NC his first year out, (second year would be acceptable, lol). Chit if the guy can recruit he can be very successful at UMaine, imo. And he might be pleasantly surprised by how great the fans are and what a special place it is to win at Alfond.
Prime example, just drawing on personal experience, someone I know from the world of travel soccer was itching to get into a Varsity HS head coaching position. Must have finished as runner-up for 3 decent local HS programs - not prime jobs, but not bottom of the barrel either. Got discouraged and impatient, ended up taking the first HC job that would hire Coach in the role, which was a perennial loser program. Actually did a pretty decent job for a few years, made them way less bad than before, almost respectable, but not quite over the hump. New AD comes in, doesn't have the context, hires new coach, program craters and now no longer exists. So Coach did a pretty decent job, but only two people (Coach and former AD) know it. Coach is back in travel soccer again, ten years older, no closer to a decent HS head coaching opportunity. Ship has sailed. In the meantime, two of the three jobs where Coach finished as runner-up re-opened when folks who beat Coach out moved on or were fired.
Not equating D-1 Hockey to HS soccer, but the principles are the same. A lot of coaches only get that one (1) chance to run the show at the level they desire - and many more never even get that chance. God knows how many D-1 coaches have sent in a resume or CV to fill an AHL or NHL job, and never hear back, that we've never heard about. Would you be surprised if you found out Walshy sent a resume/CV for a pro HC job at some point (especially during his suspension)? The guy was all about self-belief and confidence, I wouldn't be surprised if he did. On the other hand ... if Walshy failed at UMaine, would he have gotten another HC opportunity at the D-1 level? Well, ... did Jack Semler ever get that second chance elsewhere? Will Mike Souza ever got a second HC opportunity if he can't turn the UNH program around shortly??
The upside at UMaine is absolutely huge, no doubt about it. Ditto at UNH. acs64 is right, future HC successors don't need to worry about following Walshy or Umile or Whitehead or Holt. They will welcome those comparisons in the future, IF they can first succeed in the job ... and that's the tricky part. Success is hardly a given, we've seen it before, either way. Most HC hires are confident they can pull it off. My coaching colleague thought so, too. Luce is a prime example at this level (UConn) yet the guy in Amherst just lapped him in half the time on their respective jobs. I mean, who saw that coming?
The new UMaine hire has everything to gain yes, but lots to lose as well. Most folks with the self-confidence to get this far in the profession, though, will take that risk more often than not ...
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Lots to lose? Why is that? This is not going to be a coach which follows a legend. Its a coach after the coach after the coach that followed a legend. Its a clean slate where he has nothing to lose. Sure I suppose if you're talking Barr he may have some pressure on him to succeed. But there's a ton of history and a hungry fan base to work with. Its not as if the new guy has to win a NC his first year out, (second year would be acceptable, lol). Chit if the guy can recruit he can be very successful at UMaine, imo. And he might be pleasantly surprised by how great the fans are and what a special place it is to win at Alfond.
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Originally posted by Ma#1ne Hky View Post
TBA no later then Wednesday May 12th...with that said I hope but figure they won't say who applied and who they(UMAINE search team)asked...so far to date and there could be more but Montgomery/Moore/Lang/Capuano have asked not to be considered for the Job. Barr is the BIG FISH if Maine can land him/imo...but one guy that will land a Div.1 job either next year or the year after will be former UML assistant and current HC @ Norwich Cam Ellsworth.
Still have to think that nobody with any aspirations of D-1 greatness would be eager to take on a situation such as it is at a Maine, a UHN, etc right now. Very steep hills to climb, and lots to lose.Last edited by Fishman'81; 05-09-2021, 08:49 PM.
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Originally posted by Jackcurtis23 View PostRead on an “insider” blog that Joe Dumais from QU was being considered. Granted this was early last week. Anyone else hear that name?
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Originally posted by Jackcurtis23 View PostRead on an “insider” blog that Joe Dumais from QU was being considered. Granted this was early last week. Anyone else hear that name?
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