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  • UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter :D

    Despite their 15-15-4 record which ended a four-year streak of losing seasons, UNH hockey fails to make the Hockey East playoffs for the first time in 32 years....and yes, all because of an arbitrary rule change made by Hockey East.

    Lots to chew on this off-ssason:

    -- Who leaves early?? Obviously at least one.

    -- Will the new freshman class be THE ONE the pushes this program out of "treading water" mode?

    -- And has anyone given any thought that what happens if this big rink-reduction project at the Whitt impacts the start of the 2020-21 season??
    Last edited by Scott; 03-08-2020, 09:09 AM.
    UNH

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    Re: UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter

    FWIW, I don’t think everyone should make the playoffs, and this team did not deserve to.
    Whenever I think of the past, it brings back so many memories. - Stephen Wright

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    • #3
      Re: UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter

      That said, they played hard last night.
      Whenever I think of the past, it brings back so many memories. - Stephen Wright

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      • #4
        Re: UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter

        Originally posted by Aerman View Post
        That said, they played hard last night.
        Yes, they did. It was actually quite an entertaining game to watch, and I'm glad that they chose to play with that intensity.

        As for deserving a playoff bid - I have mixed feelings on this topic. I'm convinced that they can beat anyone in the league, but they shot themselves in the foot too many times, especially in key matchups.
        UNH

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        • #5
          Re: UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter

          Originally posted by Scott View Post
          -- Who leaves early?? Obviously at least one.

          -- Will the new freshman class be THE ONE the pushes this program out of "treading water" mode?
          Out
          forwards
          Liam Blackburn 34-5-13-18 // 81 career points
          Justin Fregona 24-1-1-2 // 12 career points
          defense
          Anthony Wyse 33-1-6-7 // 18 career points
          Max Gildon 34-7-22-29 led team
          Matt Dawson 14-0-0-0 // 14 career points
          backup goalie
          Joe Lazzaro 1 game,


          In
          Carsen Richels -- HS player, potential NHL pick
          Nick Carefelli - BCHL 42-17-23-40
          Will Margel - BCHL - 30-6-17-23
          ................- USHL - 12-1-0-1
          Cam Gendron- NAHL - 49-15-18-33
          defense
          Luke Reid- USHL - 45-2-17-19
          Joe Nagle - NAHL - 50-3-21-24

          other potential freshmen
          Liam Devlin- USHL -36-6-2-8
          Robert Cronin- USHL - 43-2-6-8
          Timo Bakos- USHL -41-7-8-15
          Connor Sweeney- BCHL - 58-2-12-14
          Jack Ring - NAHL - 35-3-12-15
          ...............-NCDC - 14-3-4-7
          Aidan Curran - BCHL - 11-1-4-5
          ....................-AJHL - 13-0-4-4
          ...................-NCDC- 22-4-21-25
          Defense
          Cade Penney- NAHL - 50-6-23-29
          Nick Ardanaz- BCHL- 58-4-28-32 All-Rookie Team
          Nikolai Jenson- USHL - 39-3-2-5
          Last edited by NCAA watcher; 03-08-2020, 09:37 AM.
          The Umile legacy:
          14-15 8th place,
          15-16 10th place
          16-17 10th place
          17-18 11th place
          18-19 8th place
          19-20 9th place
          20-21 10th place

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            Re: UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter

            Originally posted by Scott View Post
            Yes, they did. It was actually quite an entertaining game to watch, and I'm glad that they chose to play with that intensity.

            As for deserving a playoff bid - I have mixed feelings on this topic. I'm convinced that they can beat anyone in the league, but they shot themselves in the foot too many times, especially in key matchups.
            They showed they were capable on many occasions this season. But could not take that into the games that ultimately cost them. (I know, repeating the obvious). This hurts more than I thought it would. Who cares if it would have been (or would it) a 'one and done' playoff experience? At least, we are still playing. WAH! I agree....I enjoyed watching a great hockey game last night. We did not get smoked. Held our own. Fuel for next season, or...? Only the shadow knows....Now watch the 8th seed tear it up.
            Let's Go SouzaCats!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by NCAA watcher View Post
              Out
              forwards
              Liam Blackburn 34-5-13-18 // 81 career points
              Justin Fregona 24-1-1-2 // 12 career points
              defense
              Anthony Wyse 33-1-6-7 // 18 career points
              Max Gildon 34-7-22-29 led team
              Matt Dawson 14-0-0-0 // 14 career points
              backup goalie
              Joe Lazzaro 1 game,


              In
              Carsen Richels -- HS player, potential NHL pick
              Nick Carefelli - BCHL 42-17-23-40
              Will Margel - BCHL - 30-6-17-23
              ................- USHL - 12-1-0-1
              Cam Gendron- NAHL - 49-15-18-33
              defense
              Luke Reid- USHL - 45-2-17-19
              Joe Nagle - NAHL - 50-3-21-24

              other potential freshmen
              Liam Devlin- USHL -36-6-2-8
              Robert Cronin- USHL - 43-2-6-8
              Timo Bakos- USHL -41-7-8-15
              Connor Sweeney- BCHL - 58-2-12-14
              Jack Ring - NAHL - 35-3-12-15
              ...............-NCDC - 14-3-4-7
              Aidan Curran - BCHL - 11-1-4-5
              ....................-AJHL - 13-0-4-4
              ...................-NCDC- 22-4-21-25
              Defense
              Cade Penney- NAHL - 50-6-23-29
              Nick Ardanaz- BCHL- 58-4-28-32 All-Rookie Team
              Nikolai Jenson- USHL - 39-3-2-5
              Facebook rumor has Crook leaving. THAT would be a problem.
              Whenever I think of the past, it brings back so many memories. - Stephen Wright

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                Re: UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter

                Originally posted by Aerman View Post
                Facebook rumor has Crook leaving. THAT would be a problem.
                Not as much if you had a forward in the pipeline with more than 7 goals playing junior hockey. All six 2001 forwards have six or fewer goals... let that sink in.
                But his leaving would be a suprise - he still needs to grow, and isn't a top prospect.
                The Umile legacy:
                14-15 8th place,
                15-16 10th place
                16-17 10th place
                17-18 11th place
                18-19 8th place
                19-20 9th place
                20-21 10th place

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                • #9
                  Re: UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter

                  Originally posted by Aerman View Post
                  Facebook rumor has Crook leaving. THAT would be a problem.
                  hmmm heard that as well. I'd be surprised if this were true. I know there were scouts (as usual) at the game last night, Red Wings for one. Good lord...losing him would be a blow.
                  Let's Go SouzaCats!

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                  • #10
                    Re: UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter

                    Originally posted by NCAA watcher View Post
                    Not as much if you had a forward in the pipeline with more than 7 goals playing junior hockey. All six 2001 forwards have six or fewer goals... let that sink in.
                    But his leaving would be a suprise - he still needs to grow, and isn't a top prospect.
                    You know? I wonder how many fans know/have a clue about their incoming recruits. I mean, if I didn't follow this board and have other connections for recruit info that I trust, I'd never know one way or the other. If they did know...would they clamor for 'better prospects' or ask 'why' we aren't landing top prospects? Things that keep you up at night...I mean, I doubt seriously the casual fan would have interest, or, care. Interesting.
                    Let's Go SouzaCats!

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                    • #11
                      Re: UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter

                      Well, its not just casual fans. My belief is that Umile has zero clue about recruiting, and by ignorance, developed a narcissitic belief (as you describe with fans) that players show up, and "great coaches" like him were what made the teams great. That narcissim translated to the decision making process for a successor, where recruiting was basically a negligible characteristic that they sought. So from 2015-18 they got a head coach who didn't care about recruiting, and a chief recruiter who didn't know about recruiting, leading to..... bad recruits. We can only hope that the hard lessons have been learned and the necessary changes are made.... whether that's possible at this point with a view of the program becoming settled in the community.

                      Edit: Not sure they are "lessons to be learned." I imagine its known, but finding the right fixes is critical. His focus on the rink makes me worry.

                      edit 2: the view that Coaches are more important than players leads to more defensive scheming and trying to win games 1-0 through schemes, because goals against is one thing that can be bettered by coaching systems. But it comes at the cost of goals. It takes a coach with some vision to see that there are two paths out to better goal differentials, and the ability to increase scoring also has benefits of getting better players, rather than the "we need to get bigger and stronger" approach of clogging the game.

                      to quote myself from February 2017, albeit in the context of being somewhat excited about a recruit that failed (Marek Wazny), my thoughts remain the same about how Souza picked kids with few options, and by and large, those players were who we thought they were:

                      With the caveat that he is not quite a blue chipper (23rd forward by Jeff above, and in the second tier “A-/B+” Group by USHR), I think he qualifies as the first real positive recruiting move by Souza. To now, his recruits have been kids where the competition has been weak or non-existent. Bahn literally had no offers, Crookshank had no offers, and was just getting to the point where Denver might offer. Verrier was a fringe DI kid, perhaps starting to draw some ECAC offers, Miller was a second or third tier Alberta kid. Corson Green is a raw kid who probably had more interest from Major Junior than from colleges when UNH popped him. McAdams had some interest from PC and BU, but it is unclear the price range of their offers and how much of priority he was -- I suspect those top teams probably were pretty low on the scholarship front.


                      So, with that backdrop, and importantly, without any info yet about Wazny's other schools, I suspect he probably was a solid "second tier" (not BU, BC or PC or top two ECAC -Q, Harvard- type of recruit) kid. Given that we have seemed to be losing kids who might fall into that profile (including to Maine, U.Mass, Northeastern, etc.), this is the first recruit with some options to affirmatively select UNH. A lot of my angst was the product of the fact that literally no recruit with good options was picking us. Marek changes this. Let's hope he is not an outlier. I have come to accept that we have gone past the point of an exciting coach yielding a huge recruiting surge. We are at the point (if you accept that Souza is the successor) that any upgrades will be marginal, slow and incremental. In that framework, this is a small incremental step, the first one in the right direction.
                      While the defensemen recruits are at least known (and even wished for by me -- Ardanaz), so that they have become decent, the forwards remain mid-to-low tier kids on the recruiting scale.
                      Last edited by NCAA watcher; 03-08-2020, 11:57 AM.
                      The Umile legacy:
                      14-15 8th place,
                      15-16 10th place
                      16-17 10th place
                      17-18 11th place
                      18-19 8th place
                      19-20 9th place
                      20-21 10th place

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                      • #12
                        Re: UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter

                        Originally posted by NCAA watcher View Post
                        Well, its not just casual fans. My belief is that Umile has zero clue about recruiting, and by ignorance, developed a narcissitic belief (as you describe with fans) that players show up, and "great coaches" like him were what made the teams great. That narcissim translated to the decision making process for a successor, where recruiting was basically a negligible characteristic that they sought. So from 2015-18 they got a head coach who didn't care about recruiting, and a chief recruiter who didn't know about recruiting, leading to..... bad recruits. We can only hope that the hard lessons have been learned and the necessary changes are made.... whether that's possible at this point with a view of the program becoming settled in the community.

                        Edit: Not sure they are "lessons to be learned." I imagine its known, but finding the right fixes is critical. His focus on the rink makes me worry.

                        edit 2: the view that Coaches are more important than players leads to more defensive scheming and trying to win games 1-0 through schemes, because goals against is one thing that can be bettered by coaching systems. But it comes at the cost of goals. It takes a coach with some vision to see that there are two paths out to better goal differentials, and the ability to increase scoring also has benefits of getting better players, rather than the "we need to get bigger and stronger" approach of clogging the game.
                        Like I said...if you listen to last night's post game presser, he (Souza) takes it on himself, what he 'could have said that would have made a difference' in the season. It's the product on the ice; the 'groceries' as you guys like to say, that are the ultimate difference. Sure, coaching is huge but well, you can only do so much with what you have to work with. And I hate to impugn any UNH players, past, or present, with that statement. In fact, to this observer, I think he got a lot out of those players. You don't win big games by a fluke, and the 'Cats showed they could do that, more than a few teams in the most recent past. (which is the hard part of not making the playoffs but...)

                        It's a fact of life...and, sports. You either have the horses or you don't. Some will develop into horses, but it helps to have them in the barn at the get go...that much, I have learned in these past 7 seasons. Like I've said too, I'm looking forward to what's coming in. I'm disappointed for those who did not, (Stutzle esp but I get it). The size of the rink is the least of our problems. Anyway...sorry to have clogged up the airways this morning. guess I better move it along.
                        Last edited by HockeyRef; 03-08-2020, 11:55 AM.
                        Let's Go SouzaCats!

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                        • #13
                          Re: UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter

                          Originally posted by HockeyRef View Post
                          They showed they were capable on many occasions this season. But could not take that into the games that ultimately cost them. (I know, repeating the obvious). This hurts more than I thought it would. Who cares if it would have been (or would it) a 'one and done' playoff experience? At least, we are still playing. WAH! I agree....I enjoyed watching a great hockey game last night. We did not get smoked. Held our own. Fuel for next season, or...? Only the shadow knows....Now watch the 8th seed tear it up.
                          While I am sorry for your pain, this is precisely the reason that some teams SHOULD be eliminated from the playoffs at the end of the regular season. Allowing all teams into the postseason tourney renders much of the regular season meaningless. Sure there are byes,and home ice, but no real consequences for an underachieving program. If anything the everybody gets a medal mindset masks deficiencies. If a program doesn't take a critical look at itself and is not realistic about realities its is only deceiving itself. UNH finished in the top eight only one time in the past five seasons, yet until this year always managed to participate in the postseason. Its one thing to miss the playoffs one time in 32 tries, but its another thing to miss four times in five seasons. Perhaps if they had, it would have created a sense of urgency that seems lacking and the program would be better off for it.
                          UNH Hockey: From "Why Not Us' to "Woe is Us"

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                          • #14
                            Re: UNH 2020 Off-Season Thread: That Rinky-Shrinky Thang And Other Lively Banter

                            Originally posted by Felger View Post
                            While I am sorry for your pain, this is precisely the reason that some teams SHOULD be eliminated from the playoffs at the end of the regular season. Allowing all teams into the postseason tourney renders much of the regular season meaningless. Sure there are byes,and home ice, but no real consequences for an underachieving program. If anything the everybody gets a medal mindset masks deficiencies. If a program doesn't take a critical look at itself and is not realistic about realities its is only deceiving itself. UNH finished in the top eight only one time in the past five seasons, yet until this year always managed to participate in the postseason. Its one thing to miss the playoffs one time in 32 tries, but its another thing to miss four times in five seasons. Perhaps if they had, it would have created a sense of urgency that seems lacking and the program would be better off for it.
                            Well I agree totally. Let's hope this creates that sense of urgency...just being selfish I guess!
                            Let's Go SouzaCats!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Felger View Post
                              While I am sorry for your pain, this is precisely the reason that some teams SHOULD be eliminated from the playoffs at the end of the regular season. Allowing all teams into the postseason tourney renders much of the regular season meaningless. Sure there are byes,and home ice, but no real consequences for an underachieving program. If anything the everybody gets a medal mindset masks deficiencies. If a program doesn't take a critical look at itself and is not realistic about realities its is only deceiving itself. UNH finished in the top eight only one time in the past five seasons, yet until this year always managed to participate in the postseason. Its one thing to miss the playoffs one time in 32 tries, but its another thing to miss four times in five seasons. Perhaps if they had, it would have created a sense of urgency that seems lacking and the program would be better off for it.
                              Exactly, getting into the playoffs mean fork all when everyone makes it. So UNH, Souza, et al, how do you react? How do you get better?

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