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  • brassbonanza
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    Originally posted by ericredaxe View Post

    Or they just 99% knew it was Jay all along?
    If that were the case, why did BU:
    • Wait approximately four weeks to give him a formal interview with President Brown (told to me from several unrelated people)
    • Have at least an informal interview with Mike Hastings (reported by many)
    • Have at least an informal interview with Nate Leaman (reported by Mike McMahon)
    • Have at least informal discussions with Quinn (reported by many)
    • Have at least an informal interview with Eric Lang (reported by McMahon)
    • Say they targeted to hire someone before the coach's convention then not make the hire and then wait to conduct interviews until during the convention
    In other words, if they knew it was Jay all along - what the heck were they doing for the last month? Any one of Hastings, Leaman, or Quinn expressing interest would immediately vault that candidate over Jay.

    The most concerning thing is the reported timeline of events. They announced Albie would not return on March 30 - all available reporting indicates little significant movement on Jay or anyone occurred until at least 3 weeks later during the coach's convention. Then the suggestion of having to wait for Albie's contract to expire instead of buying him out. Rumors of chasing down Quinn and Hastings in what may have been little more than distractions.

    From the outside (admittedly, a very incomplete view) this suggests a disorganized process without a good plan and frought with indecision. Of course, there's likely more to the story that we don't know and I'm open to being wrong here - but it's difficult to believe that this was a smoothly run operation and suggests some organizational mishaps among BU administrative leadership.

    Originally posted by J.D. View Post

    This is where I am conflicted. I have believed all along that BU brought in Pandolfo to replace Albie.
    And this is where we get to the root of the problem - the decision to bring on Jay as associate last year. Like you, I never fully bought the whole story given last year about how Albie reached out to him because he'd be a big help or whatever. I suspected Jay was brought in as the expected replacement for Albie. If that were the case, then it was a mistake from the beginning and BU should've made the move to make Jay HC last summer.
    Last edited by brassbonanza; 05-04-2022, 06:38 PM.

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  • J.D.
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    Originally posted by ericredaxe View Post

    Or they just 99% knew it was Jay all along?
    This is where I am conflicted. I have believed all along that BU brought in Pandolfo to replace Albie. So I sorta just expected them to name him HC and get on with it. But they were then linked to Hastings and Mike McMahon reported Eric Lang interviewed for the job. So I don't know if they were all in on Pandolfo or not. Certainly not if they kicked the tires on Mike Hastings.

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  • ericredaxe
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    Originally posted by brassbonanza View Post

    Spot on. The AD does not come off well from this process. Gave a deadline of the coaches conference initially then reportedly did not conduct formal interviews until he was at the convention. Jay reportedly did not meet with President Brown until last week. What were they doing for four weeks? Chasing down the Quinn pipe dream? Waiting around for Hastings to decide? Neither of those two things should've delayed the process.

    I don't believe it was a lack of takers, though. More lack of decisiveness.

    Either way, this:
    https://***********/MikeGrinnell_/st...lCPn3p2Pg&s=19
    Or they just 99% knew it was Jay all along?

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  • brassbonanza
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    Originally posted by Terrier86 View Post
    At this point, this seems like a mess. IF, it's Jay what's the wait? IF it's not Jay, then it feels like there was no preparedness on the AD's part. Either way, the longer it goes on the more weak the program looks. No decisiveness or no takers for the job?
    Spot on. The AD does not come off well from this process. Gave a deadline of the coaches conference initially then reportedly did not conduct formal interviews until he was at the convention. Jay reportedly did not meet with President Brown until last week. What were they doing for four weeks? Chasing down the Quinn pipe dream? Waiting around for Hastings to decide? Neither of those two things should've delayed the process.

    I don't believe it was a lack of takers, though. More lack of decisiveness.

    Either way, this:
    https://***********/MikeGrinnell_/st...lCPn3p2Pg&s=19

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  • Terrier86
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    At this point, this seems like a mess. IF, it's Jay what's the wait? IF it's not Jay, then it feels like there was no preparedness on the AD's part. Either way, the longer it goes on the more weak the program looks. No decisiveness or no takers for the job?

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  • brassbonanza
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    Originally posted by Scarlet View Post
    So, since it's after 3:00pm here in Boston I'm assuming we're hearing nothing today. Tomorrow is another day!
    It would seem so. Not sure what they're waiting around for at this point.

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  • Scarlet
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    So, since it's after 3:00pm here in Boston I'm assuming we're hearing nothing today. Tomorrow is another day!

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  • mookie1995
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    Originally posted by ColinWilsonFan View Post

    Well then you do not know how a College Program works... Or how Albie worked... Simply put new guy comes in as an Assistant doesn't just come in and impart his will on the program without stepping on toes. As most hockey guys are , Pando is an outstanding human being and standup guy who also has a long term relationship with Albie. However, when push came to shove he figured out a way to get more involved. It is not really that complicated...
    Then type that out to start and don’t pussifoot around with “bigger role”. QED

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  • defkit
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    Originally posted by ColinWilsonFan View Post

    I wholeheartedly disagree with that. Rick Bennett had a very challenging reputation and there were tons of rumors swirling all over the place (seems many of which are now substantiated) and there was great trepidation about bringing him in. I will be the first one to say that I felt that even with all the knowledge of who and what Albie is/was that I felt he should have been given the shot. A lot of people grow into roles, step up to the challenge and develop. Some don't , and even more so some cannot it is just not in their DNA. I think had it not been for Covid there was a high likelihood he would not have made it the full 4 years. I think it is time to move on! Support our new coach (at least who I believe it will be) and whatever team and assistants he might bring in!
    I can't speak to how it went down last time, but I heard firsthand some of the things that happened (re: Bennett) and was curious why it wasn't getting out there, perhaps it was in some fashion (before the ones that officially led to the end).

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  • brassbonanza
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    Originally posted by ColinWilsonFan View Post

    I wholeheartedly disagree with that. Rick Bennett had a very challenging reputation and there were tons of rumors swirling all over the place (seems many of which are now substantiated) and there was great trepidation about bringing him in. I will be the first one to say that I felt that even with all the knowledge of who and what Albie is/was that I felt he should have been given the shot. A lot of people grow into roles, step up to the challenge and develop. Some don't , and even more so some cannot it is just not in their DNA. I think had it not been for Covid there was a high likelihood he would not have made it the full 4 years. I think it is time to move on! Support our new coach (at least who I believe it will be) and whatever team and assistants he might bring in!
    While I agree with your sentiment, my original post wasn't an opinion but a recitation of information so I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. I was only recounting what was told to me regarding the process in the last hire to discredit the notion that there was a "token" interview process - which implied Albie was always going to be the hire from the beginning and that Drew's preferred candidate was Bennett. The information I was told at the time, and subsequent to that, suggested Albie was not the shoe-in hire from the start. I also agree with you that Rick Bennett has a challenging reputation (and from what I understand that's what bristled Brown) but that doesn't change that the last coaching hire was not predetermined the day DQ left.

    I agree with you that Covid likely gave Albie a one-year reprieve and that we should move on and support the new coaching staff - it'd just be nice if they finally announced something.

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  • ColinWilsonFan
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    Originally posted by brassbonanza View Post
    There was most definitely not a token search when Albie was hired. Rick Bennett was a very serious candidate and by all accounts I've heard was Drew's preferred choice over Albie until President Brown overruled the decision and chose Albie.
    I wholeheartedly disagree with that. Rick Bennett had a very challenging reputation and there were tons of rumors swirling all over the place (seems many of which are now substantiated) and there was great trepidation about bringing him in. I will be the first one to say that I felt that even with all the knowledge of who and what Albie is/was that I felt he should have been given the shot. A lot of people grow into roles, step up to the challenge and develop. Some don't , and even more so some cannot it is just not in their DNA. I think had it not been for Covid there was a high likelihood he would not have made it the full 4 years. I think it is time to move on! Support our new coach (at least who I believe it will be) and whatever team and assistants he might bring in!

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  • brassbonanza
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    There was most definitely not a token search when Albie was hired. Rick Bennett was a very serious candidate and by all accounts I've heard was Drew's preferred choice over Albie until President Brown overruled the decision and chose Albie.

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  • ColinWilsonFan
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    Originally posted by defkit View Post
    So if I add up all the innuendo, rumors, guesses, and add in the comment made to me by a player parent a few years ago that I mentioned awhile back:

    - Albie was great recruiter, was next in line to be HC. When Quinn left, there was a token search done, with only one other candidate seemingly considered.
    - It didn't take long to realize that Albie was in over his head. Recruiting and game coaching/player development are two different things, and Albie wasn't effective on what counts as a HC.
    - This being BU and Albie being on a 4-year contract meant that the admin wasn't going to do anything until the end of the contract unless it got dire.
    - The COVID shortened season resulted in a good record thanks to talent like Zegras, Farrance, and Harper. Perhaps this kept things out of the "dire" zone and let Albie stay for the last year of his contract.
    - The Admin/AD already knows that this is likely AOC's last season, so Pandolfo is brought in as a likely successor. The season starts off terribly, the AD hears complaints from parents, insists that Pandolfo be given a bigger role in running the team, and the results improve significantly.
    - Pandolfo has shown his worth, is expected to get the job, but the Admin feels they need to be sure they have done a more thorough search this time. Which is why this has taken so long.

    That's how I am viewing it at this point...
    Well done!!

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  • J.D.
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    If Pandolfo gets the credit for the hot streak, he also gets the blame for losing to BC and Maine (8-1?) when you could have locked up home ice.

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  • defkit
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    So if I add up all the innuendo, rumors, guesses, and add in the comment made to me by a player parent a few years ago that I mentioned awhile back:

    - Albie was great recruiter, was next in line to be HC. When Quinn left, there was a token search done, with only one other candidate seemingly considered.
    - It didn't take long to realize that Albie was in over his head. Recruiting and game coaching/player development are two different things, and Albie wasn't effective on what counts as a HC.
    - This being BU and Albie being on a 4-year contract meant that the admin wasn't going to do anything until the end of the contract unless it got dire.
    - The COVID shortened season resulted in a good record thanks to talent like Zegras, Farrance, and Harper. Perhaps this kept things out of the "dire" zone and let Albie stay for the last year of his contract.
    - The Admin/AD already knows that this is likely AOC's last season, so Pandolfo is brought in as a likely successor. The season starts off terribly, the AD hears complaints from parents, insists that Pandolfo be given a bigger role in running the team, and the results improve significantly.
    - Pandolfo has shown his worth, is expected to get the job, but the Admin feels they need to be sure they have done a more thorough search this time. Which is why this has taken so long.

    That's how I am viewing it at this point...

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