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  • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

    Honestly, I really don't care if you think the program is gutless. It seems reasonable, to me, especially when you see so many games across the country being canceled for COVID.
    You don't have to agree with it...but that's how it comes across.
    "If you leave ignorance and stupidity alone, ignorance and stupidity will think it's ok."
    -Gallagher

    R.I.P.
    Grandpa G. ~ Feb 11, 1918-Oct. 6, 1999
    Grandma ~ Jan 2004
    Dad ~ Nov. 4, 1958-April 21, 2008
    Grandpa S. ~ June 21, 1932-November 11, 2013

    SCSU 2015-16 scoring by class through 40 games
    Seniors: 210 points (71G, 139A) from 5 players
    Juniors: 39 points (8G, 31A) from 4 players
    Sophomores: 99 points (49G, 50A) from 5 players
    Freshmen: 129 points (43G, 86A) from 8 players

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    • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

      You are assuming that the team was not involved with the decision. Could be that they were ignored, could be that they had a team meeting over it. They are getting the ice time tomorrow, anyway- so it's not as if they are totally not getting ice time.

      Read into it however you want, though. The distaste for Michigan can't get much worse than it was before the games.
      You are correct. I did assume that Michigan's remaining players did not go to the coach and beg out of the WMU game because they were concerned for their own well-being.
      That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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      • Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post

        They play two games a week...and even with 21 skaters and 3 goalies...an extra game would create wear and tear?
        It comes off as scared. The fans should care that their program looks gutless.
        I believe they have 17 skaters based on the Twitter feed from the Michigan Daily, so I can understand not wanting to play on back to back nights. Not that I agree with it but I do get it. Even with the roster fillers it's not that great. But given it's at your barn you could have just postponed a day could you not?

        MTU: Three time NCAA champions.

        It never get's easier, you just go faster. -Greg Lemond

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        • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post
          It seems reasonable, to me, especially when you see so many games across the country being canceled for COVID.
          19 days since they played, 9 more until they play again. I'd love to be in the room to tell the players they'll be too tired.

          Originally posted by MichVandal View Post
          Honestly, I really don't care if you think the program is gutless.
          And therein lies the issue. The skunks and their fans never think the rules apply to them if they don't like them. And they don't care how wrong they are ever, as long as they have their self worth.
          Last edited by John J. MacInnes; 12-28-2021, 11:24 AM.

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          • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

            You are assuming that the team was not involved with the decision. Could be that they were ignored, could be that they had a team meeting over it. They are getting the ice time tomorrow, anyway- so it's not as if they are totally not getting ice time.

            Read into it however you want, though. The distaste for Michigan can't get much worse than it was before the games.
            You're right. It isn't like U of MI is a co-host of the GLI or offered Yost up as a place to play GLI games. Could it be, because they have a history avoid playing teams and/or honoring their scheduling commitments? (cough cough series in Houghton cough cough.) Perception and past history tends to play into current views.

            To be fair, no one outside of WMU and MTU hockey fans will care. All that matters is U of MI Football is in the BCS playoff and won the B1G. There is little to no clamor over U of MI basketball stumbling out of the gate because no one cares right now. It is all football right now.
            Last edited by Lost_Husky; 12-28-2021, 11:31 AM.

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            • Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post

              You don't have to agree with it...but that's how it comes across.
              To you, sure. And it matters exactly what?

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              • Originally posted by John J. MacInnes View Post

                And therein lies the issue. The skunks and their fans never think the rules apply to them if they don't like them. And they don't care how wrong they are ever, as long as they have their self worth.
                What "rules"? Seems that you are more bothered by the idea that we just don't care what you think about Michigan. There's no point at all to try to convince you the positives of Michigan- that's a complete waste of time and effort by anyone.

                You seem to be like every other program other than MSU that you seem to matter about being some kind of "rival"- you are not. There is ONE program in the country that is a real hockey rival to Michigan, and that's State. That's it. And that does not mean that we don't respect other teams- it's just that we don't consider anyone other than Sparty as an actual rival.

                Love playing Tech, as my dad went there. Love playing the Gophers, as they are an elite program. Love playing Western as they have consistently given us great games. Love playing OSU- well, maybe not- they suck. But none of those programs are rivals in spite of what you want to think.

                You can pretend that I'm wrong all you want, but I'll never consider Tech or Western rivals. Ever. Which means what you think of Michigan is incredibly meaningless. (not that State's opinion matters, but you get my point- at least you should).

                So it would be hard to care less that you think we are "soft" or whatever you want to think.

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                • Originally posted by Lost_Husky View Post

                  You're right. It isn't like U of MI is a co-host of the GLI or offered Yost up as a place to play GLI games. Could it be, because they have a history avoid playing teams and/or honoring their scheduling commitments? (cough cough series in Houghton cough cough.) Perception and past history tends to play into current views.

                  To be fair, no one outside of WMU and MTU hockey fans will care. All that matters is U of MI Football is in the BCS playoff and won the B1G. There is little to no clamor over U of MI basketball stumbling out of the gate because no one cares right now. It is all football right now.
                  If you say so.

                  Literally there's nothing I can post that can change your mind- it's all done and dusted.

                  BTW, last I checked, Michigan Hockey fans are well aware that we are 3rd in popularity order at our school. Again, that's a bigger deal to you than to me. So thanks for caring?

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                  • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

                    To you, sure. And it matters exactly what?
                    It's not just to me...and I never said it did matter. Clearly it doesn't to you...and that's fine. It still comes off as cowardly. If you're fine with that..so.be it.
                    Last edited by First Time, Long Time; 12-28-2021, 01:21 PM.
                    "If you leave ignorance and stupidity alone, ignorance and stupidity will think it's ok."
                    -Gallagher

                    R.I.P.
                    Grandpa G. ~ Feb 11, 1918-Oct. 6, 1999
                    Grandma ~ Jan 2004
                    Dad ~ Nov. 4, 1958-April 21, 2008
                    Grandpa S. ~ June 21, 1932-November 11, 2013

                    SCSU 2015-16 scoring by class through 40 games
                    Seniors: 210 points (71G, 139A) from 5 players
                    Juniors: 39 points (8G, 31A) from 4 players
                    Sophomores: 99 points (49G, 50A) from 5 players
                    Freshmen: 129 points (43G, 86A) from 8 players

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                    • Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post

                      It's not just to me...and I never said it did matter. Clearly it doesn't to you...and that's fine. It still comes off as cowardly. If you're fine with that..so.be it.
                      So it both doesn't and does matter to you? Interesting. Thanks for caring.

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                      • Originally posted by MichVandal View Post

                        So it both doesn't and does matter to you? Interesting. Thanks for caring.
                        Optics should matter to you. But it's not my team...so I just get to laugh at it.
                        "If you leave ignorance and stupidity alone, ignorance and stupidity will think it's ok."
                        -Gallagher

                        R.I.P.
                        Grandpa G. ~ Feb 11, 1918-Oct. 6, 1999
                        Grandma ~ Jan 2004
                        Dad ~ Nov. 4, 1958-April 21, 2008
                        Grandpa S. ~ June 21, 1932-November 11, 2013

                        SCSU 2015-16 scoring by class through 40 games
                        Seniors: 210 points (71G, 139A) from 5 players
                        Juniors: 39 points (8G, 31A) from 4 players
                        Sophomores: 99 points (49G, 50A) from 5 players
                        Freshmen: 129 points (43G, 86A) from 8 players

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                        • I hope anyone approached about playing a non-conference series with the skunks in the future pays close attention to this situation and declines.

                          That would be a great way to show how much everyone else cares about them.

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                          • There is a long way to go and I will assume that both will be in the tourney field and my wish is for the NCAA selection committee to have a sense of karma and put Michigan and Western in the same bracket so they will have their "rubber" game.

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                            • Originally posted by First Time, Long Time View Post

                              Optics should matter to you.
                              Why? Do you really care what I think about your team?

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                              • Originally posted by John J. MacInnes View Post
                                I hope anyone approached about playing a non-conference series with the skunks in the future pays close attention to this situation and declines.

                                That would be a great way to show how much everyone else cares about them.
                                I'm sorry, but that's just silly. You want to penalize Michigan Hockey because we don't really care what you think of us? Seriously?

                                At least give some of us credit for actually KNOWING and accepting that you and most of the country hates Michigan. There's no point in really caring about what other team's fans think of us. None what so ever. As if you could hate the program any more than you already do. You already call us something other than our mascot, as if it's some kind of clever thing to do...

                                And for other teams to put any program on some kind of pedestal- making the game more important... we all play with the same restrictions- same number of players on the bench, same number of scholarships, etc. We are all the same.
                                Last edited by MichVandal; 12-28-2021, 04:29 PM.

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