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Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
Some people at the university remain convinced that athletics (particularly football) drive financial donations, even though its own internal study in (I think) 2013 found no correlation. Maine (the university and the state) cannot afford athletics the way it is being run. Maybe we can fund football OR ice hockey at the Division I level, but trying to fund both is not working.
Having said that, Maine could just go D-3 altogether and drop many sports, but it won't be allowed to play D-1 hockey as an outlier anymore. That ship has sailed with RPI, Union, Clarkson, St. Lawrence, et al on-board back in the day.
(Unless they changed the rules again when I was asleep.)
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Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
Some people at the university remain convinced that athletics (particularly football) drive financial donations, even though its own internal study in (I think) 2013 found no correlation. Maine (the university and the state) cannot afford athletics the way it is being run. Maybe we can fund football OR ice hockey at the Division I level, but trying to fund both is not working.
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UNH and Vermont are the templates....how are they doing it? UNH is struggling in football and hockey but have turned their men's basketball program around and are in the Sweet 16 in men's soccer. Vermont has a very solid men's basketball program but struggles in hockey. They have made multiple memorable trips to the NCAA tourney in men's hoops.....they also have a successful men's soccer program. Neither has baseball....and Vermont did away with football a long time ago. Maine has $110 million to put into facilities.....neither UNH or Vermont has that although Vermont has plans for a new hoops facility.
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Originally posted by umhockey91 View PostUNH and Vermont are the templates....how are they doing it? UNH is struggling in football and hockey but have turned their men's basketball program around and are in the Sweet 16 in men's soccer. Vermont has a very solid men's basketball program but struggles in hockey. They have made multiple memorable trips to the NCAA tourney in men's hoops.....they also have a successful men's soccer program. Neither has baseball....and Vermont did away with football a long time ago. Maine has $110 million to put into facilities.....neither UNH or Vermont has that although Vermont has plans for a new hoops facility.
Hockey is the only sport at UMaine with a realistic shot on the national stage, it’s been done before and we’ve seen schools that are smaller than Maine and with less history become contenders.
As for yesterday’s game, I thought they played decent and played hard, they just lack scorers right now. Breen was the only guy consistently generating scoring chances with the puck, and that line of Breen, Houle and Mulera showed flashes. I was surprised not to see Morrissey and Poissant in the lineup. I don’t see the point in giving so many minutes to Lindelow and Quinlivan when you have Morrissey and Poissant in the stands. Both those guys have quite a bit of talent. The team is improving though, they can’t score but they do a decent job of protecting their net. The net is Ostman’s for now IMO
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Originally posted by walrus View PostSounds like football coach is headed to UConn as an asst.
Says a lot that someone with success at UMaine would take a step down to assist at UConn.Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
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Originally posted by BlackBearFan19 View Post
Maine's recent football success has clouded judgement for some I think. Outside of JMU and NDSU, are there any FCS programs making money. Unless Maine becomes a perennial power, which is unlikely, I don’t see the point in dumping money into football, let them play the two FBS games a year so they can stay afloat but beyond that, I don’t really think it’s necessary to funnel money there.
Hockey is the only sport at UMaine with a realistic shot on the national stage, it’s been done before and we’ve seen schools that are smaller than Maine and with less history become contenders.
I won't pretend to know the exact $ involved, but it's hard to imagine that hockey is raking in the bucks, in any case. Hockey has been far worse than football over the past 10 years or so, and has enjoyed pretty-much *zero* National exposure in the process.
Before any Maine fan calls for football's head, look at how futile the hockey program has been since TW was fired. Hockey is going to be a complete re-build, while football likely missed the NCAA's by one game, and that was probably due to Fagnano missing the first half of the season. There is still the uncanny ability that football has to recruit excellent talent to Orono.
Not so much as far as hockey goes... Not yet, anyway.
Last edited by Fishman'81; 11-28-2021, 08:43 PM.
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Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
Like UMass Football, UConn is in the dregs of Division 1 (both are literally Bottom 5 programs).
Says a lot that someone with success at UMaine would take a step down to assist at UConn.BS UML '04, PhD UConn '09
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Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
Like UMass Football, UConn is in the dregs of Division 1 (both are literally Bottom 5 programs).
Says a lot that someone with success at UMaine would take a step down to assist at UConn.
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Originally posted by Fishman'81 View PostMaine football has actually been on the National map for many years now. A Final Four just a few years back. We used to watch them nearly every weekend on DISH, until Covid and Flosports changed the calculus just recently.
I won't pretend to know the exact $ involved, but it's hard to imagine that hockey is raking in the bucks, in any case. Hockey has been far worse than football over the past 10 years or so, and has enjoyed pretty-much *zero* National exposure in the process.
Before any Maine fan calls for football's head, look at how futile the hockey program has been since TW was fired. Hockey is going to be a complete re-build, while football likely missed the NCAA's by one game, and that was probably due to Fagnano missing the first half of the season. There is still the uncanny ability that football has to recruit excellent talent to Orono.
Not so much as far as hockey goes... Not yet, anyway.
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Originally posted by amkirby10 View Post
Last I knew the athletic department fancies themselves a "Northern power" in football, and that the gridiron remains the top priority. A mistake, if you ask me.
James Madison: $425,000
Kennesaw State: $390,550
Northern Iowa: $390,000
Sam Houston State: $383,333.41
North Dakota State: $380,000 plus bonuses
Missouri State: $325,000 plus bonuses
Florida A&M: $300,000
South Dakota: $300,000
South Dakota State: $300,000
UC Davis: $272,500
Stephen F. Austin: $260,000 plus bonuses
Sacramento State: $242,000 plus bonuses
East Tennessee State: $225,000 plus bonuses
Southern Illinois: $211,000 plus bonuses
Montana State: $210,437 plus at least $75,000 in yearly "retention" bonuses/media appearances
Eastern Washington: $207,372
Tennessee-Martin: $206,710 plus bonuses
Montana: $205,000 base salary plus $279,000 in potential additional bonuses
If Maine wants to consider itself a "power" at the FCS level, it shouldn't be paying its head coach $50,000 less than the next cheapest playoff team. And spare me the "it's cost of living! Bangor is cheap!" Bangor isn't notably cheaper than noted metros (checks notes) Martin, Tennessee, Cheney, Washington, or Brookings, South Dakota.
*Louisiana has some wild-*** public records laws, if you can find Southeastern Louisiana's head coaching salary you get a cookie.
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Football team wins it all, claims “we’re no #1 is not remotely the same as the hockey team winning it all and claiming #1. It’s like a Maine high school varsity team, any sport, winning it all. A small high school is #1 only amongst their peers based on size. They most definitely are not the best in the state. Any claim of “champions” has an asterisk along side it. Same for Maine football. NOT the same for Maine hockey. Fans know the the difference and which championship attracts the attention and funds…
That said, nothing wrong with the football team competing for the “top spot” even if it is only a JV caliber accomplishment. I find them entertaining, but the public doesn’t in general. “Get back to me when they beat a Georgia or Alabama” is what I hear…$90(more) for a drink holding ledge and a Maine blanket, but the views still great.
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Originally posted by Wayuphere View PostFootball team wins it all, claims “we’re no #1 is not remotely the same as the hockey team winning it all and claiming #1. It’s like a Maine high school varsity team, any sport, winning it all. A small high school is #1 only amongst their peers based on size. They most definitely are not the best in the state. Any claim of “champions” has an asterisk along side it. Same for Maine football. NOT the same for Maine hockey. Fans know the the difference and which championship attracts the attention and funds…
That said, nothing wrong with the football team competing for the “top spot” even if it is only a JV caliber accomplishment. I find them entertaining, but the public doesn’t in general. “Get back to me when they beat a Georgia or Alabama” is what I hear…
I get the general point you're attempting to make, but I don't buy it. Maine wouldn't be an elite D-3 hockey program right now, and FCS football is far better than D-3 hockey, in a relative sense... So football is the better program! ;-)
Football is a "loss-leader", I get it. But what Maine sport isn't, anymore?
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