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  • Snively65
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    Originally posted by UncleRay View Post
    It's not the total length of tenure at Miami but the number of different jobs. He's still young and is a climber - not that there's anything wrong with that as many of us are looking for the next step up. It's simply that UM AD is not the pinnacle position in his profession. As AD, there's no room for a promotion like he had at Miami, so the next logical step up is to step out. Five years max. The only way he becomes a lifer, IMO, is if he tanks and can't get another job. And we definitely don't want that.

    On the other hand, his name brings up memories of one of my sports heroes: Jean-Claude Killy, who didn't simply win 3 gold medals in skiing at the 1968 Olympics - he won all of the skiing events for men.
    Jean Claude Killy was my sports hero, too. In March 1967, my parents let me play hooky from school so that I could see JCK win the DH at Cannon Mountain as part of the North American Alpine Championships. The DH course had to be lengthened across the flat swamp at the base to meet the FIS requirements at the time, which were soon thereafter changed so that DH courses could no longer qualify for FIS events in the East. JCK clocked 75+ mph on the big turn above the Avalanche trail where we were stationed, and finished in 1 min 31 sec. Whoosh! March 1967 was also when the French ski team introduced the maroon Rossignol Strato skis to North America, and by the next winter it seemed like every kid in New England except for me had them (I continued to race on my Kneissel Red Stars).

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  • umhockey91
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    Originally posted by UncleRay View Post
    It's not the total length of tenure at Miami but the number of different jobs. He's still young and is a climber - not that there's anything wrong with that as many of us are looking for the next step up. It's simply that UM AD is not the pinnacle position in his profession. As AD, there's no room for a promotion like he had at Miami, so the next logical step up is to step out. Five years max. The only way he becomes a lifer, IMO, is if he tanks and can't get another job. And we definitely don't want that.

    On the other hand, his name brings up memories of one of my sports heroes: Jean-Claude Killy, who didn't simply win 3 gold medals in skiing at the 1968 Olympics - he won all of the skiing events for men.
    Disagree on a couple of your points....14 years at Miami of Ohio doesn't matter??? I would hope that he had a number of different jobs there because staying in one position from age 36 to age 50 would be career and financial suicide. He's still "young"? Age 50 is not "young". In college athletics 50 is mid-career and on the downside. And it's worth noting.....Killy will be getting $250K.....a $35K raise from the $215K that Ken Ralph was making.

    Originally posted by BlackBearFan19 View Post

    Yeah I don’t think it’s fair to assume this guy is going to jump at the first opportunity.

    Personally, I think the athletics department is in the best shape it’s been in 15 years. We have a ton of young, ambitious coaches. Ken Ralph left this thing in pretty good shape. I still wonder why he left, I hope it wasn’t over disagreements with higher ups and their view of athletics.

    The lack of progress on the alfond donation and facilities master plan is a bit concerning. Granted I haven’t been on campus since summer 2021 but last I heard the softball field is the only thing that’s really made progress. I just hope they don’t run out of money before they get to the hockey Renovations since it seemed like they were later down the line.
    I agree that the athletic department is in better shape now than it has been in quite a while. Regarding facilities....the updated master plan makes a lot of sense....there is a series of phases that are taking advantage of location to save money on construction. If you look at the maps in this thread: https://umainesports.freeforums.net/...facilities-nov

    You'll notice the projects moving in a counter clockwise completion timeline. Hockey projects are due to be completed before the basketball arena which I think guarantees that they will happen sooner rather than later. It also should be noted that raw material costs should be (are?) coming down which will positively impact many of these facility construction budgets.

    The current planned timeline for construction projects:

    1. Softball/Field Hockey/Alfond Scoreboards

    2. Soccer/Track/Shawn Walsh Center Addition

    3. Parking/Access Road/New Dome

    4. Morse Arena(Basketball)/Parking/Morse Stadium Improvements

    5. Mahoney Diamond Improvements

    6. Memorial Gym Addition

    7. Auxiliary Team Facilities
    Last edited by umhockey91; 12-15-2022, 01:06 PM.

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  • amkirby10
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    Originally posted by AMC View Post
    I'd rather have someone with goals and ambitions. If you are a climber, you have to succeed in your present job to get the next job (Blake James aside). Maine is low enough on the college sports totem pole that if we want success and results, we are going to need to hire people who will move on eventually.

    Show me someone in the 2020's who will stay at Maine for decades and I will show you someone whose career is stalled due to non-performance.
    For a school like Maine, my guess would be the only competent person who would ever even consider staying in a role like AD here in the long term and do well at it is either an alumnus of the school or a native of the state, or both. And even then, they will probably still choose to move on to something bigger and better once they have a few successful years here, so that may as well be chasing a unicorn. It's just the natural status of a school like Maine, and everyone knows it.

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  • AMC
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    I'd rather have someone with goals and ambitions. If you are a climber, you have to succeed in your present job to get the next job (Blake James aside). Maine is low enough on the college sports totem pole that if we want success and results, we are going to need to hire people who will move on eventually.

    Show me someone in the 2020's who will stay at Maine for decades and I will show you someone whose career is stalled due to non-performance.

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  • NorthMike
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    Originally posted by Dan View Post

    That's not accurate. Hockey is absolutely a priority at Miami. Miami spends more on - and generates more revenue from - hockey than it does basketball...
    OK my bad. We must be working off old information, our Miami alum has been out of there for a few years.
    Last edited by NorthMike; 12-14-2022, 05:03 PM.

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  • NorthMike
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    Originally posted by BlackBearFan19 View Post


    The lack of progress on the alfond donation and facilities master plan is a bit concerning. Granted I haven’t been on campus since summer 2021 but last I heard the softball field is the only thing that’s really made progress. I just hope they don’t run out of money before they get to the hockey Renovations since it seemed like they were later down the line.
    I havent watched it yet but for those interested this is the latest on the facility plan.
    "Building the Future for UMaine Athletics" Webinar
    Posted On the Umaine alumni YouTube from the Nov 18 webinar.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaHoGyGXa-8

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  • Dan
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    Originally posted by NorthMike View Post
    Well Miami does have a hockey team, according to the family alum its a football basketball school with hockey low in the priorities.
    That's not accurate. Hockey is absolutely a priority at Miami. Miami spends more on - and generates more revenue from - hockey than it does basketball...

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  • BlackBearFan19
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    Originally posted by umhockey91 View Post
    Am I missing something here? All of Maine's major coaches are relatively new hires with pay increases compared to their predecessors. They've already raised at least $113 million plus.....or $13 of the $20 million required to match the $90 million from Alfond. Killy is 50ish and was at Miami since 2008......that doesn't exactly scream revolving door. You guys need to settle down.
    Yeah I don’t think it’s fair to assume this guy is going to jump at the first opportunity.

    Personally, I think the athletics department is in the best shape it’s been in 15 years. We have a ton of young, ambitious coaches. Ken Ralph left this thing in pretty good shape. I still wonder why he left, I hope it wasn’t over disagreements with higher ups and their view of athletics.

    The lack of progress on the alfond donation and facilities master plan is a bit concerning. Granted I haven’t been on campus since summer 2021 but last I heard the softball field is the only thing that’s really made progress. I just hope they don’t run out of money before they get to the hockey Renovations since it seemed like they were later down the line.

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  • UncleRay
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    Originally posted by umhockey91 View Post
    ... Killy is 50ish and was at Miami since 2008......that doesn't exactly scream revolving door. You guys need to settle down.
    It's not the total length of tenure at Miami but the number of different jobs. He's still young and is a climber - not that there's anything wrong with that as many of us are looking for the next step up. It's simply that UM AD is not the pinnacle position in his profession. As AD, there's no room for a promotion like he had at Miami, so the next logical step up is to step out. Five years max. The only way he becomes a lifer, IMO, is if he tanks and can't get another job. And we definitely don't want that.

    On the other hand, his name brings up memories of one of my sports heroes: Jean-Claude Killy, who didn't simply win 3 gold medals in skiing at the 1968 Olympics - he won all of the skiing events for men.

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  • UncleRay
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    Originally posted by NorthMike View Post
    From Larry: "Jude Killy, the deputy director of athletics at Miami University...

    Short timer here.
    Not impressed.
    I read, "Miami" and gasped. Then got to the Ohio bit and relaxed.

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  • umhockey91
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    Am I missing something here? All of Maine's major coaches are relatively new hires with pay increases compared to their predecessors. They've already raised at least $113 million plus.....or $13 of the $20 million required to match the $90 million from Alfond. Killy is 50ish and was at Miami since 2008......that doesn't exactly scream revolving door. You guys need to settle down.

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  • walrus
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    Originally posted by NorthMike View Post

    Well Miami does have a hockey team, according to the family alum its a football basketball school with hockey low in the priorities. They do have a nice hockey facility.
    Yes of course no one will stay as AD here very long.
    What a tough job to step into right now. Needing to raise how many millions for the facility plan, needing to find money to pay coaches more, etc.
    All we can hope for is he moves the needle a little in a good direction and doesn't do any damage like some past ADs.
    Let the coaches coach and pay them competitively.
    Paying coaches will be tough thats for sure.

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  • NorthMike
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    Originally posted by walrus View Post

    At least he comes from a Hockey school. No one is staying in Orono, simple as that
    Well Miami does have a hockey team, according to the family alum its a football basketball school with hockey low in the priorities. They do have a nice hockey facility.
    Yes of course no one will stay as AD here very long.
    What a tough job to step into right now. Needing to raise how many millions for the facility plan, needing to find money to pay coaches more, etc.
    All we can hope for is he moves the needle a little in a good direction and doesn't do any damage like some past ADs.
    Let the coaches coach and pay them competitively.

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  • walrus
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    Originally posted by NorthMike View Post
    From Larry: "Jude Killy, the deputy director of athletics at Miami University in Ohio, will be the new athletic director at the University of Maine, according to a person with knowledge of the hiring process."
    "Killy has been at Miami University in Ohio since 2008 and has received five promotions during his time there.
    He has overseen the everyday operations of the athletic department, including athletic development, equipment and the budget, and has been the top sports administrator for the football, men’s basketball, baseball and men’s swimming and diving teams."


    Short timer here.
    Not impressed.
    At least he comes from a Hockey school. No one is staying in Orono, simple as that

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  • NorthMike
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    From Larry: "Jude Killy, the deputy director of athletics at Miami University in Ohio, will be the new athletic director at the University of Maine, according to a person with knowledge of the hiring process."
    "Killy has been at Miami University in Ohio since 2008 and has received five promotions during his time there.
    He has overseen the everyday operations of the athletic department, including athletic development, equipment and the budget, and has been the top sports administrator for the football, men’s basketball, baseball and men’s swimming and diving teams."


    Short timer here.
    Not impressed.

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