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  • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

    So the WCHA had 15 non-conference games since December 12, 2019...on the Chasing MacNaughton Podcast we all guessed the league would win 7-8 of the possible 17 games including guest Drew Evans from BGSUhockey...the league ended up going 3-11-1 with the Huskies going 3-1-1 and the rest of the league going 0-10-0. LSSU, BSU, MSU, and BGSU all laid eggs with LSSU coming the closest to winning. What a disappointing stretch for the league. Hopefully NMU can find a way to get some wins against Cornell or this is looking like a 2-bid max league.
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    • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

      Seems to me, even two teams is somewhat optimistic at this point. On the plus side, NMU's SOS should go up with games against Cornell, MSU and Tech left.

      Question for anyone smarter than me: how much is that loss to UAH hurting NMU's PWR right now?
      Current NCAA D-I rinks I've been to:

      AHA:
      B1G: UMinn, UWisc
      ECAC:
      HEA: UMass, Notre Dame
      NCHC: UMD, UND, SCSU, WMU
      WCHA: UAH, BSU, FSU, LSSU, MSU, MTU, NMU

      Inactive: BSU, UMD, UND, NMU, Notre Dame

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      • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

        Originally posted by moose97 View Post
        Seems to me, even two teams is somewhat optimistic at this point. On the plus side, NMU's SOS should go up with games against Cornell, MSU and Tech left.

        Question for anyone smarter than me: how much is that loss to UAH hurting NMU's PWR right now?
        you can check yourself on CHN's pairwise site.
        https://www.collegehockeynews.com/ratings/pairwise/#
        NMU would be 16th in PWR right now with an RPI of 0.5414*

        Also I say 2 because anyone can upset the MSU, its happen a few times...
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        • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

          Whelp, only 4 non-conference games left.......

          2019-2020 WCHA Non-Conference Schedule
          -3 AHA Games 2-1-0
          -15 Big10 Games 6-9-0
          -5 ECAC Games 1-1-1
          -10 Hockey East Games 3-6-1
          -31 NCHC Games 7-19-5
          -8 Independent Games 4-2-0
          -1 Interleague games (not included in WCHA non-conference record)
          -4 Exhibitions (not included in WCHA or team record)
          TOTAL: 23-38-7 0.390 (72 possible games)

          ALABAMA-HUNTSVILLE (0-6-0)
          -at Mass-Lowell L 1-5, L 1-3
          -at Nebraska-Omaha L 1-6, L 0-5
          -at North Dakota L 2-5, L 2-5

          ALASKA (2-4-0)
          -Denver L 3-4, L 0-3
          -at Penn State L 0-7, W 4-0
          -Arizona State W 4-3, L 0-4

          ALASKA-ANCHORAGE (0-3-1)
          -at Maine L 1-7, L 1-2 (OT)
          -Nebraska-Omaha L 3-4, T 3-3
          -at Arizona State (2)

          BEMIDJI STATE (0-4-2)
          -St. Cloud State T 4-4, T 2-2
          -at North Dakota L 1-2 OT, L 1-4
          -vs. Minnesota L 2-5 (Mariucci Classic, Minneapolis, MN)
          -vs. Minnesota State L 0-2 (Mariucci Classic, Minneapolis, MN)

          BOWLING GREEN (5-3-0)
          -at Miami W 7-4
          -vs. RIT (Icebreaker Tournament, Toledo, OH) L 2-3 (OT)
          -vs Western Michigan (Icebreaker Tournament, Toledo, OH) L 2-5
          -Western Michigan W 2-1
          -at Western Michigan W 2-1 (OT)
          -at Notre Dame W 5-2
          -Notre Dame W 5-2
          -Miami L 2-4

          FERRIS STATE (2-5-0)
          -Waterloo (EXH) T 2-2
          -USNTDP (EXH) W 5-0
          -Colgate W 3-1
          -at Miami L 3-4, W 3-1
          -at Western Michigan L 2-4
          -Western Michigan L 2-8
          -vs. Michigan L 1-4 (Great Lakes Invitational, Detroit, MI)
          -vs. Michigan State L 2-5 (Great Lakes Invitational, Detroit, MI)

          LAKE SUPERIOR STATE (2-8-0)
          -Merrimack W 6-2, W 4-3
          -Denver L 3-1, L 4-3
          -at Michigan L 0-4, L 3-4
          -at Notre Dame L 2-5, L 4-6
          -vs. Providence L 1-2 OT (Catamount Cup at Vermont)
          -vs. Vermont L 0-2 (Catamount Cup at Vermont)

          MICHIGAN TECH (5-3-1)
          -at Robert Morris W 2-1 (OT), W 7-0
          -at North Dakota (Hall of Fame Game) L 1-3
          -Clarkson T 2-2, L 2-4
          -vs. Michigan State W 4-2 (Great Lakes Invitational, Detroit, MI)
          -vs. Michigan W 4-2 (Great Lakes Invitational, Detroit, MI)
          -at Arizona State L 3-4, W 3-2

          MINNESOTA STATE (6-1-1)
          -Mount Royal (EXH) W 5-2
          -Arizona State W 4-1, W 5-0
          -North Dakota T 4-4, W 2-1
          -at Minnesota-Duluth (2) W 4-1, W 3-1
          -vs. St. Cloud State L 2-7 (Mariucci Classic, Minneapolis, MN)
          -vs. Bemidji State W 2-0 (Mariucci Classic, Minneapolis, MN)

          NORTHERN MICHIGAN (2-2-2)
          -at USNTDP (EXH) W 4-3
          -Michigan State L 3-5, W 2-0
          -at Boston University T 4-4, W 4-3
          -St. Cloud State T 3-3, L 4-5 (OT)
          -at Cornell (2)
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          • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

            Originally posted by beaverhockeyfan View Post
            Whelp, only 4 non-conference games left.......

            2019-2020 WCHA Non-Conference Schedule
            -3 AHA Games 2-1-0
            -15 Big10 Games 6-9-0
            -5 ECAC Games 1-1-1
            -10 Hockey East Games 3-6-1
            -31 NCHC Games 7-19-5
            -8 Independent Games 4-2-0
            -1 Interleague games (not included in WCHA non-conference record)
            -4 Exhibitions (not included in WCHA or team record)
            TOTAL: 23-38-7 0.390 (72 possible games)

            ALABAMA-HUNTSVILLE (0-6-0)
            -at Mass-Lowell L 1-5, L 1-3
            -at Nebraska-Omaha L 1-6, L 0-5
            -at North Dakota L 2-5, L 2-5

            ALASKA (2-4-0)
            -Denver L 3-4, L 0-3
            -at Penn State L 0-7, W 4-0
            -Arizona State W 4-3, L 0-4

            ALASKA-ANCHORAGE (0-3-1)
            -at Maine L 1-7, L 1-2 (OT)
            -Nebraska-Omaha L 3-4, T 3-3
            -at Arizona State (2)

            BEMIDJI STATE (0-4-2)
            -St. Cloud State T 4-4, T 2-2
            -at North Dakota L 1-2 OT, L 1-4
            -vs. Minnesota L 2-5 (Mariucci Classic, Minneapolis, MN)
            -vs. Minnesota State L 0-2 (Mariucci Classic, Minneapolis, MN)

            BOWLING GREEN (5-3-0)
            -at Miami W 7-4
            -vs. RIT (Icebreaker Tournament, Toledo, OH) L 2-3 (OT)
            -vs Western Michigan (Icebreaker Tournament, Toledo, OH) L 2-5
            -Western Michigan W 2-1
            -at Western Michigan W 2-1 (OT)
            -at Notre Dame W 5-2
            -Notre Dame W 5-2
            -Miami L 2-4

            FERRIS STATE (2-5-0)
            -Waterloo (EXH) T 2-2
            -USNTDP (EXH) W 5-0
            -Colgate W 3-1
            -at Miami L 3-4, W 3-1
            -at Western Michigan L 2-4
            -Western Michigan L 2-8
            -vs. Michigan L 1-4 (Great Lakes Invitational, Detroit, MI)
            -vs. Michigan State L 2-5 (Great Lakes Invitational, Detroit, MI)

            LAKE SUPERIOR STATE (2-8-0)
            -Merrimack W 6-2, W 4-3
            -Denver L 3-1, L 4-3
            -at Michigan L 0-4, L 3-4
            -at Notre Dame L 2-5, L 4-6
            -vs. Providence L 1-2 OT (Catamount Cup at Vermont)
            -vs. Vermont L 0-2 (Catamount Cup at Vermont)

            MICHIGAN TECH (5-3-1)
            -at Robert Morris W 2-1 (OT), W 7-0
            -at North Dakota (Hall of Fame Game) L 1-3
            -Clarkson T 2-2, L 2-4
            -vs. Michigan State W 4-2 (Great Lakes Invitational, Detroit, MI)
            -vs. Michigan W 4-2 (Great Lakes Invitational, Detroit, MI)
            -at Arizona State L 3-4, W 3-2

            MINNESOTA STATE (6-1-1)
            -Mount Royal (EXH) W 5-2
            -Arizona State W 4-1, W 5-0
            -North Dakota T 4-4, W 2-1
            -at Minnesota-Duluth (2) W 4-1, W 3-1
            -vs. St. Cloud State L 2-7 (Mariucci Classic, Minneapolis, MN)
            -vs. Bemidji State W 2-0 (Mariucci Classic, Minneapolis, MN)

            NORTHERN MICHIGAN (2-2-2)
            -at USNTDP (EXH) W 4-3
            -Michigan State L 3-5, W 2-0
            -at Boston University T 4-4, W 4-3
            -St. Cloud State T 3-3, L 4-5 (OT)
            -at Cornell (2)
            it's a tall order to ask NMU to beat Cornell at Ithaca. They are big, strong, fast and skilled.
            I think they are equal to any team in the country.

            good luck to them.
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            • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

              Nice work on this week's Chasing MacNaughton podcast!
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              • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

                Interesting to look at overall success away from home for the 10 conference teams so far.

                9 road wins, 1 neutral site win - Minnesota State
                8 road wins, 2 neutral site wins - Michigan Tech
                8 road wins - Bowling Green
                6 road wins - Northern Michigan
                6 road wins - Alaska
                5 road wins - Bemidji State
                3 road wins - Ferris State
                2 road wins - Lake Superior State
                1 road win - Alaska-Anchorage

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                • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

                  Originally posted by aparch View Post
                  Nice work on this week's Chasing MacNaughton podcast!
                  Thanks aparch, we're going to record here shortly...anyone got any questions about the WCHA?
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                  • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

                    So looking at the past three seasons (since the WCHA went to a 3 point-per-win system) the fourth place team finished the regular season with the following point totals:

                    2018-19 - 50 points (LSSU)
                    2017-18 - 46 points (Bemidji)
                    2016-17 - 44 points (BGSU)

                    I'm eliminating the current bottom 4 from contention for home ice in the first round (Lake State is 9 points out of 4th with two extra games played).

                    Five of the top 6 teams have 12 conference games remaining, so that's 36 points available (Alaska has only 10/30 available). Let's assume that with 42 already, Minnesota State will be one of the teams at home in the first round. The other five teams currently have these point totals:

                    37 - Bemidji
                    33 - Northern
                    28 - Bowling Green
                    28 - Alaska
                    25 - Tech

                    What's the magic number going to be to get at least that #4 spot? What will it take to get the even more coveted 2nd spot (and home ice for the second round)?

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                    • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

                      Originally posted by john j. Macinnes View Post
                      what's the magic number going to be to get at least that #4 spot? What will it take to get the even more coveted 2nd spot (and home ice for the second round)?
                      48

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                      • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

                        Originally posted by gfmorris View Post
                        48

                        gfm
                        I do think it will be closer to the high point of 50 than the low because of the bottom. I stated on Chasing MacNaughton that I thought BSU wouldn't host a playoff so its going to need to be 48 or higher for that to happen most likely. If MTU doesn't show up this weekend, my prediction is likely wrong already.
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                        • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

                          Originally posted by John J. MacInnes View Post
                          So looking at the past three seasons (since the WCHA went to a 3 point-per-win system) the fourth place team finished the regular season with the following point totals:

                          2018-19 - 50 points (LSSU)
                          2017-18 - 46 points (Bemidji)
                          2016-17 - 44 points (BGSU)

                          I'm eliminating the current bottom 4 from contention for home ice in the first round (Lake State is 9 points out of 4th with two extra games played).

                          Five of the top 6 teams have 12 conference games remaining, so that's 36 points available (Alaska has only 10/30 available). Let's assume that with 42 already, Minnesota State will be one of the teams at home in the first round. The other five teams currently have these point totals:

                          37 - Bemidji
                          33 - Northern
                          28 - Bowling Green
                          28 - Alaska
                          25 - Tech

                          What's the magic number going to be to get at least that #4 spot? What will it take to get the even more coveted 2nd spot (and home ice for the second round)?
                          Really going to be interesting. The conference has sorta split, with 6 teams I'd call pretty decent to really good, and 4 that are struggling. Tech and BGSU have the most favorable schedule in that regard, with 6 games against the "strugglers," but Tech and BGSU also have a little ground to make up to catch BSU or NMU. The good news for the others is that they have a lot of games against their fellow contenders. I'll go with 48 as the cutoff, but still not feeling real sure about who the 4 home teams will be.

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                          • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

                            I want to reiterate how disgusted and disappointed I am that the cowardly 7 are ditching the other 3 teams. I get the issues, and I think that we should have found a way to deal with them other than pulling the plug on them. I think it will result in at least one or maybe two dropping D1 hockey and i'm very unhappy about it. I think the 7 should have sucked it up and found a way to help those other schools get better and so what if it costs more. I blame BG in particular.
                            Last edited by manurespreader; 01-16-2020, 08:54 PM.
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                            • Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

                              For those of you that haven't tried out the podcast yet...you can listen right here if you want:



                              Topics:
                              BGSU Review (2:22)
                              College Hockey Talk (10:03)
                              WCHA Road Records (12:48)
                              Pairwise Talk (17:58)
                              Bemidji Road Trip (21:56)
                              BSU Preview (31:08)
                              WCHA Predictions (37:14)
                              Johnson’s Jerseys Discussion of MTU jerseys (40:14)
                              Michigan Tech Legend, Founder of Mitch's Misfits, Co-Founder of Tech Hockey Guide, and Creator/Host of the Chasing MacNaughton Podcast covering MTU Hockey and the WCHA.

                              Sports Allegiance: NFL: GB MLB: MIL NHL: MIN CB: UW CF: UW CH: MTU FIFA: USA MLS: MIN EPL: Everton

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                              • Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
                                For those of you that haven't tried out the podcast yet...you can listen right here if you want:
                                ...
                                Johnson’s Jerseys Discussion of MTU jerseys (40:14)
                                How is it you jerks keep finding ways to get me to listen to your stupid podcast...
                                “Demolish the bridges behind you… then there is no choice but to build again.”

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