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  • Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

    Originally posted by Sean Pickett
    Those records don't include the HEA playoffs, in which Maine has gone 0-4 against both NU and PC, making Coach Gendron's record vs them 3-39-1 (0.081). Including HEA playoffs he is 53-47-17 (0.526) vs the rest of the league.

    Sean
    You're always a little ray of sunshine. Thank you!

    Truly, though, I'm amazed that Red has an above .500 record in any subset... Most of the wins just had to have come when he still had some TW left-overs.
    Last edited by Fishman'81; 11-24-2019, 09:38 PM.

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    • Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

      Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
      During the Gendron Era, Maine is 3-31-1 (.100) vs Northeastern and Providence. Against the rest of Hockey East 49-43-17 (.528)
      I knew you would eventually post this statistic. Thanks. This may not be the total answer but it appears that these two coaches know the system Gendron uses and they have the plan and players to counter it.

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      • Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

        Originally posted by Runsub5 View Post
        I knew you would eventually post this statistic. Thanks. This may not be the total answer but it appears that these two coaches know the system Gendron uses and they have the plan and players to counter it.
        Gendron's system is to recruit poorly, last I checked.

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        • Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

          Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
          Gendron's system is to recruit poorly, last I checked.
          I think you can also add his Assistants to that pool.

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          • Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

            Originally posted by Fishman'81 View Post
            Sway must play as long as he is ambulatory. (Hell, I might even start him over Theisson if he was on crutches.)

            Wins vs. SLU won't help much, but losses there will kill Maine's PW, which already at #27.
            Yeah if its already at 27 the chances they get to 14 are pretty slim. Their only way in is to win the HE tourney riding Sway. Him being on crutches for that isn't going to work very well
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            • Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

              Originally posted by Sean Pickett
              ........

              He currently has the 13th best winning percentage (0.434) out of 17 Hockey East coaches who began coaching after the formation of the league and coached for at least 7 seasons.

              Sean
              Good work. I think that's called being bottom of the barrel.

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              • Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

                Originally posted by Runsub5 View Post
                Good work. I think that's called being bottom of the barrel.
                The worst part of that, is that is as good as it will ever get...sadly.

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                • Originally posted by Ma#1ne Hky View Post
                  The worst part of that, is that is as good as it will ever get...sadly.
                  The worst part is the seven year qualifier. Seven years... of what.

                  Only Fishman would pine for a lengthy extension for Red.

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                  • Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

                    Originally posted by Runsub5 View Post
                    Good work. I think that's called being bottom of the barrel.
                    Originally posted by Ma#1ne Hky View Post
                    The worst part of that, is that is as good as it will ever get...sadly.
                    Originally posted by BlackI View Post
                    The worst part is the seven year qualifier. Seven years... of what.
                    For comparison Coach Whitehead at Maine had the second best winning percentage after 7 seasons at 0.641 (although he dropped to 4th with a 0.610 winning percentage after 8 seasons) and Coach Walsh was 6th with a 0.603 winning percentage (and Coach Walsh's record just got better after that).

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                    • Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
                      For comparison Coach Whitehead at Maine had the second best winning percentage after 7 seasons at 0.641 (although he dropped to 4th with a 0.610 winning percentage after 8 seasons) and Coach Walsh was 6th with a 0.603 winning percentage (and Coach Walsh's record just got better after that).

                      Sean
                      I'd feel better if red was trending up, but I'd guess he isn't.

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                      • Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

                        Bottom line is the Maine Hockey Program won't be relevant any time soon.

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                        • Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

                          Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
                          During the Gendron Era, Maine is 3-31-1 (.100) vs Northeastern and Providence. Against the rest of Hockey East 49-43-17 (.528)
                          I deleted my previous post about this because after looking at Coach Gendron's team-by-team records against the other Hockey East teams I realized that this is in error. While he is 3-31-1 against NU and PC, that includes the 8 playoff losses (4 to NU, 4 to PC). In league play he is 3-23-1 (0.130) against NU and PC and 49-51-17 (0.491) against the rest of the league. Overall (and Maine played several non-conference games vs UMass, UNH and UVM to fill in the schedule when the league schedule was reduced from 27 to 20 and then 22 games) Coach Gendron is 59-95-18 (0.395) vs league teams and Notre Dame. When the 3-31-1 record vs NU and PC is excluded he is 56-64-17 (0.471) vs the rest of the league teams and Notre Dame. His team by team records:
                          Massachusetts - 10-3-1 0.750 in league, 12-4-1 0.735 overall
                          Merrimack - 7-3-2 0.667 in league, 8-3-2 0.692 overall
                          Vermont - 6-4-3 0.577 in league, 7-12-3 0.386 overall
                          New Hampshire - 7-5-4 0.563 in league, 10-9-4 0.522 overall
                          Boston University - 7-8-1 0.469 in league and overall
                          Boston College - 5-9-0 0.357 in league and overall
                          UMass Lowell - 4-8-2 0.357 in league and overall
                          Connecticut - 2-5-3 0.350 in league and overall
                          Notre Dame - 1-6-1 0.188 in league and overall
                          Northeastern - 2-11-1 0.179 in league, 2-15-1 0.139 overall
                          Providence - 1-12-0 0.077 in league, 1-16-0 0.059 overall
                          totals - 52-74-18 0.424 in league, 59-95-18 0.395 overall

                          Sean
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                          • Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

                            Originally posted by NorthMike View Post
                            I'd feel better if red was trending up, but I'd guess he isn't.
                            Coach Gendron has been trending up since his fourth season:
                            1st - 16-15-4 - 0.514- 7 of 32
                            2nd - 30-37-7 - 0.453 - 14 of 32
                            3rd - 38-61-13 - 0.397 - 19 of 27
                            4th - 49-82-17 - 0.389 - 22 of 26
                            5th - 67-98-21 - 0.417 - 18 of 24
                            6th - 82-115-25 - 0.426 - 15 of 20
                            7th - 89-120-27 - 0.434 - 13 of 17

                            However, it is nothing like Coach Leaman's or Coach Carvel's improved winning percentage. His improvement from his 4th to 7th season is not even as good as that of Coach Dennehy (0.045 vs 0.135 improvement).

                            Sean
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                            • Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

                              Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
                              I deleted my previous post about this because after looking at Coach Gendron's team-by-team records against the other Hockey East teams I realized that this is in error. While he is 3-31-1 against NU and PC, that includes the 8 playoff losses (4 to NU, 4 to PC). In league play he is 3-23-1 (0.130) against NU and PC and 49-51-17 (0.491) against the rest of the league. Overall (and Maine played several non-conference games vs UMass, UNH and UVM to fill in the schedule when the league schedule was reduced from 27 to 20 and then 22 games) Coach Gendron is 59-95-18 (0.395) vs league teams and Notre Dame. When the 3-31-1 record vs NU and PC is excluded he is 56-64-17 (0.471) vs the rest of the league teams and Notre Dame. His team by team records:
                              Massachusetts - 10-3-1 0.750 in league, 12-4-1 0.735 overall
                              Merrimack - 7-3-2 0.667 in league, 8-3-2 0.692 overall
                              Vermont - 6-4-3 0.577 in league, 7-12-3 0.386 overall
                              New Hampshire - 7-5-4 0.563 in league, 10-9-4 0.522 overall
                              Boston University - 7-8-1 0.469 in league and overall
                              Boston College - 5-9-0 0.357 in league and overall
                              UMass Lowell - 4-8-2 0.357 in league and overall
                              Connecticut - 2-5-3 0.350 in league and overall
                              Notre Dame - 1-6-1 0.188 in league and overall
                              Northeastern - 2-11-1 0.179 in league, 2-15-1 0.139 overall
                              Providence - 1-12-0 0.077 in league, 1-16-0 0.059 overall
                              totals - 52-74-18 0.424 in league, 59-95-18 0.395 overall

                              Sean
                              When he took the job, they gave him a 4 year deal...I could see giving him 4 years...he added if he did not win during that tenure he should not be resigned, but nope...last AD's fell over and gave extensions...not that they were warranted(imo). Now the Program is no better off then when he took over in recruiting and for improving in moving forward. His record spells it right out: Bad. But will this AD now in place weigh that in...I keep hearing at the rink and around the area that Ralph is a hockey guy and will and be the man to fix Maine's problems...after awhile when does common sense take over...as in Firing/Buyout/or RG decides to move on. Way too many ???? in reshaping Maine Hockey Program. As far a Gendron...he reminds me of Baseball's Don Zimmer as in a great Baseball mind...Zim was a great 3rd base Coach and Bench Coach, but was over his head as a Manager(imo)...that's how I see Gendron, has the hockey know how, but as a Assistant not the Man in charge behind the Bench and Program.

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                              • Re: Maine Black Bears 2019-20: Seeing Red

                                Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
                                I deleted my previous post about this because after looking at Coach Gendron's team-by-team records against the other Hockey East teams I realized that this is in error. While he is 3-31-1 against NU and PC, that includes the 8 playoff losses (4 to NU, 4 to PC). In league play he is 3-23-1 (0.130) against NU and PC and 49-51-17 (0.491) against the rest of the league. Overall (and Maine played several non-conference games vs UMass, UNH and UVM to fill in the schedule when the league schedule was reduced from 27 to 20 and then 22 games) Coach Gendron is 59-95-18 (0.395) vs league teams and Notre Dame. When the 3-31-1 record vs NU and PC is excluded he is 56-64-17 (0.471) vs the rest of the league teams and Notre Dame. His team by team records:
                                Massachusetts - 10-3-1 0.750 in league, 12-4-1 0.735 overall
                                Merrimack - 7-3-2 0.667 in league, 8-3-2 0.692 overall
                                Vermont - 6-4-3 0.577 in league, 7-12-3 0.386 overall
                                New Hampshire - 7-5-4 0.563 in league, 10-9-4 0.522 overall
                                Boston University - 7-8-1 0.469 in league and overall
                                Boston College - 5-9-0 0.357 in league and overall
                                UMass Lowell - 4-8-2 0.357 in league and overall
                                Connecticut - 2-5-3 0.350 in league and overall
                                Notre Dame - 1-6-1 0.188 in league and overall
                                Northeastern - 2-11-1 0.179 in league, 2-15-1 0.139 overall
                                Providence - 1-12-0 0.077 in league, 1-16-0 0.059 overall
                                totals - 52-74-18 0.424 in league, 59-95-18 0.395 overall

                                Sean
                                Yeah, after I read your post last night I realized I had crossed the streams. The record vs individual teams includes all games including playoffs, but the record I cited was only regular season games that counted in conference standings.

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