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  • Hockeybuckeye
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    Re: 2019-2020 Ohio State Hockey - Shooting for Detroit (no pun intended)

    Originally posted by Buckeye22 View Post
    Agreed. We got plenty of shots, but not many real good scoring chances. We seemed pretty disorganized on our PP. That needs to be fixed.
    I heard Miller is back running the PP kill but Rohls is running the PP.
    Both our PP & PP kill had never been so good when Killer came here and ran both his first season.
    I have no idea why he still isn't running both.
    I'll also say it seems we're all seeing the same deficiencies and that means they're probably pretty obvious.
    Anyone hear anything on Westlund or Miller's injuries?
    Last edited by Hockeybuckeye; 10-25-2019, 02:06 PM.

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  • klbaum1077
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    Originally posted by Buckeye22 View Post
    Agreed. We got plenty of shots, but not many real good scoring chances. We seemed pretty disorganized on our PP. That needs to be fixed.



    I was thinking this exact same thing on Friday. The concern for me wasn't that we were being beaten physically, but rather that we were just flat out being out-skated for a lot of the game; getting beaten to pucks, lazy changes, etc. That's the most concerning thing for me because, unlike sloppy powerplays, its not something that just gets better with more playing time and experience. Its a team mentality that needs to be changed, and thats a hard thing to do.



    Agreed again. He's been the only consistently positive part about the team so far I think.
    Winning puck battles was a big problem last weekend glad i wasnt the only one who noticed that. The face off circle is becoming a worry for me as well especially in the defensive zone.

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  • Buckeye22
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    I think the proper payback is taking the PP and scoring. At the very least getting more than 2 shots on net on a 5v3 for 59 seconds. This team is having issues both directions. While the official number of shots is ok, it feels like the shots just aren't coming as needed. I get the "waiting for the perfect shot" you can't have any more 2min PP with zero shots. Fire, scramble up front, and force it in.
    Agreed. We got plenty of shots, but not many real good scoring chances. We seemed pretty disorganized on our PP. That needs to be fixed.

    Defense is very good or very bad, little inbetween. We have several guys with zero hustle. Getting beat to the puck coming back into our zone time and time again. No excuse that for us to be beat to the puck when you have a 15ft headstart.

    My last complaint is line changes. We are extremely lucky we've only had a couple TMM calls. I watched several times we had players who coasted from the far blue back to the bench. If he would have skated just a little the replacement could have been there to make a play. Its just being lazy.
    I was thinking this exact same thing on Friday. The concern for me wasn't that we were being beaten physically, but rather that we were just flat out being out-skated for a lot of the game; getting beaten to pucks, lazy changes, etc. That's the most concerning thing for me because, unlike sloppy powerplays, its not something that just gets better with more playing time and experience. Its a team mentality that needs to be changed, and thats a hard thing to do.

    On a good note, I've really enjoyed Nappier stepping up. He was standing on his head all weekend and was the only true difference maker on the team. I was worried about him stepping up this season since I think he still isn't in what most might consider college hockey physical shape. Just a couple tweaks to his out of net handling and he could help rally the team.
    Agreed again. He's been the only consistently positive part about the team so far I think.

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  • LunarOhio
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    I think the proper payback is taking the PP and scoring. At the very least getting more than 2 shots on net on a 5v3 for 59 seconds. This team is having issues both directions. While the official number of shots is ok, it feels like the shots just aren't coming as needed. I get the "waiting for the perfect shot" you can't have any more 2min PP with zero shots. Fire, scramble up front, and force it in.

    Defense is very good or very bad, little inbetween. We have several guys with zero hustle. Getting beat to the puck coming back into our zone time and time again. No excuse that for us to be beat to the puck when you have a 15ft headstart.

    My last complaint is line changes. We are extremely lucky we've only had a couple TMM calls. I watched several times we had players who coasted from the far blue back to the bench. If he would have skated just a little the replacement could have been there to make a play. Its just being lazy.

    On a good note, I've really enjoyed Nappier stepping up. He was standing on his head all weekend and was the only true difference maker on the team. I was worried about him stepping up this season since I think he still isn't in what most might consider college hockey physical shape. Just a couple tweaks to his out of net handling and he could help rally the team.

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  • Hockeybuckeye
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    Re: 2019-2020 Ohio State Hockey - Shooting for Detroit (no pun intended)

    Originally posted by Buckeye22 View Post
    Trying to get payback isn't the answer. You end up in the same situation (if anything you actually increase the chances of your players getting hurt) except now you have players getting suspended. The team that fights back often gets in more trouble than the team instigating things because its more obviously intentional. If we can't fix our even strength scoring we can play as physically as we like, it's still not going to win us a lot of games.
    Thank's for sharing your thoughts on this but you and I are at opposite ends on this so no need to debate it further.

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  • Buckeye22
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    Trying to get payback isn't the answer. You end up in the same situation (if anything you actually increase the chances of your players getting hurt) except now you have players getting suspended. The team that fights back often gets in more trouble than the team instigating things because its more obviously intentional. If we can't fix our even strength scoring we can play as physically as we like, it's still not going to win us a lot of games.

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  • Hockeybuckeye
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    Re: 2019-2020 Ohio State Hockey - Shooting for Detroit (no pun intended)

    Originally posted by Buckeye22 View Post
    The game has changed. Speed, skill, and vision on the ice are what win games and titles now. That's just the way it is. Less talented teams like UNO can keep things close and win a few games by gooning it up from time to time and getting teams off balance.
    I don't disagree with your assessment on what wins games & titles and we're on the same team here but I think we simply have a difference in perspective on what you do to protect your players in a game when the other team takes the cheap shots.
    What is your take on what to do in the situation we found ourselves Saturday?

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  • Hockeybuckeye
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    Re: 2019-2020 Ohio State Hockey - Shooting for Detroit (no pun intended)

    Originally posted by TalonsUpPuckDown View Post
    We’ll try to finish off Miami State in December (that’s for you Hockeybuckeye).
    As I mentioned before my son is a Miami grad but I finally figured out how to keep them from calling soliciting donations.
    I simply told them I'd donate when they change it back to Redskins - and they haven't called since!

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  • klbaum1077
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    Re: 2019-2020 Ohio State Hockey - Shooting for Detroit (no pun intended)

    Originally posted by Hockeybuckeye View Post
    Do I understand you correctly that you feel we SHOULDN'T have upped our physical play?

    Being more physical for sure but not trying to hurt someone

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  • TalonsUpPuckDown
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    Sad we didn’t get to meet up this year after we screwed the pooch but good luck the rest of the way and hope to see you on next year’s schedule. We’ll try to finish off Miami State in December (that’s for you Hockeybuckeye).

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  • Buckeye22
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    I understand hockey perfectly well, thank you. The game has changed. Speed, skill, and vision on the ice are what win games and titles now. That's just the way it is. Less talented teams like UNO can keep things close and win a few games by gooning it up from time to time and getting teams off balance. At the end of the season, though, they're going to be sitting on their couches watching the Frozen Four from home. OSU just needs to figure out its scoring issues and we'll be fine. We shouldn't be worrying about dropping down to the playing style of a less talented team, as satisfying as that might seem in the short term.

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  • Hockeybuckeye
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    Re: 2019-2020 Ohio State Hockey - Shooting for Detroit (no pun intended)

    Originally posted by Buckeye22 View Post
    Maybe upped our physical play, but not to the point of playing dirty and trying to get payback rather than playing to win. Nothing against Josh Healey, he was great player and I enjoyed watching him play, but I don't see how going back to the "old school" days where our best defenseman was getting suspended every few weeks and we never won anything would be preferable to what we've had for the last couple of seasons.
    I didn't mean specifically one has to play dirty with intent to injure but for those of us who can remember watching hockey in the old venues like Olympia in Detroit we don't see some things as "dirty", simply leveling the playing field.
    Some aspects of the game haven't changed where some teams will push it as long as you allow them to. It's kind of an unwritten code of hockey where if you don't hit back then your opponent will push you as far as they can. Attempts to sanitize the game with good sportsmanship for all and clean play is an illusion because it's hockey and if one doesn't understand that then I can't make you understand.
    One of our older OSU hockey alumni told me his team would have had a guy over the boards instantly to "send the message" and he still believes in it.

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  • Buckeye22
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    Re: 2019-2020 Ohio State Hockey - Shooting for Detroit (no pun intended)

    Originally posted by Hockeybuckeye View Post
    Do I understand you correctly that you feel we SHOULDN'T have upped our physical play?
    Maybe upped our physical play, but not to the point of playing dirty and trying to get payback rather than playing to win. Nothing against Josh Healey, he was great player and I enjoyed watching him play, but I don't see how going back to the "old school" days where our best defenseman was getting suspended every few weeks and we never won anything would be preferable to what we've had for the last couple of seasons.

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  • Hockeybuckeye
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    Re: 2019-2020 Ohio State Hockey - Shooting for Detroit (no pun intended)

    Originally posted by klbaum1077 View Post
    Absolutely not
    Do I understand you correctly that you feel we SHOULDN'T have upped our physical play?

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  • klbaum1077
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    Re: 2019-2020 Ohio State Hockey - Shooting for Detroit (no pun intended)

    Originally posted by Hockeybuckeye View Post
    We allowed ourselves to be gooned all game long. We lost two key players to injury and it doesn't do much for you when Omaha has two players tossed but your two are out with injury and for how long?
    We should have reached a point where instead of trying to get the win as payback we should have sent a message old school style.
    I never missed Josh Healey more!
    Absolutely not

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