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  • Ralph Baer
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    Originally posted by troyboy View Post
    So kjellberg is on track to score 6 goals and 12 points and Dubinski is on track to score 2 goals and 10 points am I missing something and remember we've played the easy part of our schedule it gets harder from here on out...Am I wrong ?
    All I wrote is that those are better than last season. I was not trying to imply that they are Bobby Orr and Wayne Gretzky.

    An on that note, I will start a new thread.

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  • troyboy
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    On occasion, they may actually improve at RPI.

    Simon Kjellberg
    2018-19 Dubuque (USHL) 58-2-3-5-10
    2019-20 RPI (ECAC) 14-3-3-6-8

    and Zach Dubinsky is on track to do it too
    2018-19 Lincoln (USHL) 19-2-3-5-31
    2019-20 RPI (ECAC) 11-1-4-5-0

    This may mean that the USHL is now better than the ECAC.

    (I used Elite Prospects for the stats.)
    So kjellberg is on track to score 6 goals and 12 points and Dubinski is on track to score 2 goals and 10 points am I missing something and remember we've played the easy part of our schedule it gets harder from here on out...Am I wrong ?

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
    RPI Hockey - Moving on with 2020 Vision!

    Enough of a break already I am ready for us to come back with resolve and energy. let's Go Red!!


    with the required beginning
    RPI Hockey 2019 - 2020 Part II: Moving on with 2020 Vision!
    Last edited by Ralph Baer; 12-24-2019, 08:11 AM.

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  • DrDemento
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    RPI Hockey - Moving on with 2020 Vision!

    Enough of a break already I am ready for us to come back with resolve and energy. let's Go Red!!

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  • sezenack
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    In Dubinsky's case he was injured a lot and also probably wasn't in the best shape when he played.
    Right before the Union series, I met with DS to discuss Red Army things with him. The freshmen defensemen came up in conversation and how they'll all be great 4 year players on our backend. I said specifically that Kjellberg looked amazing, and he agreed. I asked him what happened in Dubuque, something along the lines of "What happened in Dubuque? Did they just not play him? Because he is way too good to only have those kind of stats", and he said that that was pretty much what happened.

    Obviously, Dubinsky's case was injuries as you mention. These two examples are why it's important to not just look at the stats because there is always context that surrounds them. There is a reason coaches watch recruits play in person and scout and not just choose to recruit based on their boxscores.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
    On occasion I have actually won a couple of spins at the Roulette wheel. But you are our resident mathematician and can definitely figure out how often that occurs!! I would suspect that players who improve at RPI are in a distinct minority. (but over the past many years i certainly agree with you that it can happen).
    In Dubinsky's case he was injured a lot and also probably wasn't in the best shape when he played.

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  • DrDemento
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    Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
    On occasion I have actually won a couple of spins at the Roulette wheel. But you are our resident mathematician and can definitely figure out how often that occurs!! I would suspect that players who improve at RPI are in a distinct minority. (but over the past many years i certainly agree with you that it can happen).
    Those are two pretty good examples and I expect even more from both of them! I think the upside potential on this current team is far better than what we had seen for many years.

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  • DrDemento
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    Originally posted by engineerhockeyfan View Post
    Happy Hanukkah to all of our Jewish friends. Enjoy the celebration.
    Happy everything to everyone here!! Trying to be inclusive and not leave anyone out or anything to chance. For us it is celebrating Festivus!!!!

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  • DrDemento
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    On occasion, they may actually improve at RPI.

    Simon Kjellberg
    2018-19 Dubuque (USHL) 58-2-3-5-10
    2019-20 RPI (ECAC) 14-3-3-6-8

    and Zach Dubinsky is on track to do it too
    2018-19 Lincoln (USHL) 19-2-3-5-31
    2019-20 RPI (ECAC) 11-1-4-5-0

    This may mean that the USHL is now better than the ECAC.

    (I used Elite Prospects for the stats.)
    On occasion I have actually won a couple of spins at the Roulette wheel. But you are our resident mathematician and can definitely figure out how often that occurs!! I would suspect that players who improve at RPI are in a distinct minority. (but over the past many years i certainly agree with you that it can happen).

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  • engineerhockeyfan
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    Happy Hanukkah to all of our Jewish friends. Enjoy the celebration.

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  • Ralph Baer
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    Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
    Some are guilty at looking at statistics of recruits coming in and thinking those numbers always translate to Division I hockey.
    On occasion, they may actually improve at RPI.

    Simon Kjellberg
    2018-19 Dubuque (USHL) 58-2-3-5-10
    2019-20 RPI (ECAC) 14-3-3-6-8

    and Zach Dubinsky is on track to do it too
    2018-19 Lincoln (USHL) 19-2-3-5-31
    2019-20 RPI (ECAC) 11-1-4-5-0

    This may mean that the USHL is now better than the ECAC.

    (I used Elite Prospects for the stats.)

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  • DrDemento
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    Originally posted by troyboy View Post
    Doc I agree 1000% keep in mind lally broke his hand from a slash at Ferris and had at least 2 shoulder surgery's for sure possibly 3 we all wish he was a little more responsible in his own zone but the kid was a warrior he played most of his career with a shoulder brace and his hand wrapped also he was at the least as good as anyone we have now or coming in he was a legit D1 player
    Some are guilty at looking at statistics of recruits coming in and thinking those numbers always translate to Division I hockey. One of the reasons i prefer we have some of the bigger boys on the team is simply that as recruits rise up the levels, the boys get bigger and stronger and normally do not lose a step of speed (and sometimes even get faster). For some of the younger boys, facing bigger and better opponents and goal tenders presents a problem for their game play and their success. I would imagine it is a bit easier in high school when you are 5'9" and 165 pounds to play an aggressive game against those of your own size and smaller. But then you come to Troy and face teams like Cornell and Clarkson with many players 6'3" and 215 or more with Wilt Chamberlain reach and King Kong strength and the going gets a bit tougher. Some can compensate when they are blessed with great quickness and speed but for the most part, puck battles along the boards, being able to stand your ground in front of the net, etc. is dependent more on size and strength. JL demonstrated a lot of quickness, speed, stick skills before Troy and more but how much of that gets negated when you move up in quality of opposition. It is rare to see players who are smallish make it in the NHL (obvious exceptions like St. Louis exist). I give Laliberte tremendous credit for achieving as much as he did given the circumstances. That was the basis of my post about averaging 22+ points at RPI which is something not many have done over a 4 year career in the past several years.

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  • troyboy
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    Originally posted by DrDemento View Post
    I feel similarly, as usual. Over all the years I have seem so many highly touted recruits come in and either do little or start out with some promise only to stagnate or flounder with time. If we have fallen to a level where we simply cannot entice top scorers to come to RPI, then we may just have to have one of those scoring by committee teams. If that be the case then give me about 6 or more of those 22+ point kids. A quick look at our statistics from the recent past simply does not show anything like that.
    Doc I agree 1000% keep in mind lally broke his hand from a slash at Ferris and had at least 2 shoulder surgery's for sure possibly 3 we all wish he was a little more responsible in his own zone but the kid was a warrior he played most of his career with a shoulder brace and his hand wrapped also he was at the least as good as anyone we have now or coming in he was a legit D1 player

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  • DrDemento
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    Originally posted by engineerhockeyfan View Post
    Doc, we agree on most everything, and I agree with you point of having someone stay for all four years and give it his all.
    Unfortunately, I had much higher hopes for JL coming into RPI, and I did not get what I expected.
    That was probably my fault for shooting so high.
    Now, I have no expectations for the incoming freshmen until I see them play on HFH ice.
    I feel similarly, as usual. Over all the years I have seem so many highly touted recruits come in and either do little or start out with some promise only to stagnate or flounder with time. If we have fallen to a level where we simply cannot entice top scorers to come to RPI, then we may just have to have one of those scoring by committee teams. If that be the case then give me about 6 or more of those 22+ point kids. A quick look at our statistics from the recent past simply does not show anything like that.

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  • Waite21
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    Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    I wonder if this will improve attendance. Sems weird to me that the price isn't mentioned.

    Both the dates listed are Friday nights, so maybe they're trying to hype attendance on Fridays?

    Although if that's the case, I don't know why they wouldn't offer the same deal for the Jan. 31 game against Dartmouth.

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