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  • AMC
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    Re: Hockey East: 2019/20 season is Joe Bertagna's last as commish

    Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
    The glory days are over for us here in HE and all of college hockey. And while it has little to do with the hockey discussion, I assure you millennials really really really do suck. And I'd like to point out these young, whiny, dumb people that cannot put their phones down are NOT special; we had significant student debt too we just didn't whine about it like crybabies for attention and worked to pay it off because we had a sense of responsibility to pay it off rather than having a completely unfounded sense of entitlement. And while people my age now displace a grumpy generation of baby boomers, we respect the path they paved and carry that torch to some degree.... just with things like Excel and not an abacus.
    Average tuition, room, and board at all 4-year universities in 1979: $2,917. Inflation adjusted for 2015: $9,643.
    Average tuition, room, and board at all 4-year universities in 1989: $7,212. Inflation adjusted for 2015: $13,959.
    Average tuition, room, and board at all 4-year universities in 1999: $11,888. Inflation adjusted for 2015: $17,126.
    Average tuition, room, and board at all 4-year universities in 2009: $22,654. Inflation adjusted for 2015: $25,343.
    Average tuition, room, and board at all 4-year universities in 2015: $39,529.

    Average first year's salary for bachelor's degree holder, 1979: $16,692. Inflation adjusted for 2015: $51,683. 5.7x yearly tuition costs.
    Average first year's salary for bachelor's degree holder, 1989: $26,297. Inflation adjusted for 2015: $49,487. 3.6x yearly tuition costs.
    Average first year's salary for bachelor's degree holder, 1999: $35,595. Inflation adjusted for 2015: $50,218. 3.0x yearly tuition costs.
    Average first year's salary for bachelor's degree holder, 2009: $48,633. Inflation adjusted for 2015: $53,451. 2.1x yearly tuition costs.
    Average first year's salary for bachelor's degree holder, 2015: $50,219. Inflation adjusted for 2015: $50,219. 1.3x yearly tuition costs.

    But yes, tell us how much you enjoyed walking uphill both ways in those snowstorms.

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  • woodenskates
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    Originally posted by Split-N View Post
    With respect, I can't figure out from where you're getting your economic information. The July jobless rate was 3.7%, which is well within most definitions of "full employment." And as for people with Masters degrees not being able to find anything but minimum wage jobs, they either 1) Aren't looking in the right places; 2) Have a paper degree from an online diploma mill that employers can smell a mile away; or 3) Have a degree in some niche field where jobs are available only in museums and certain research houses.

    And as for that minimum wage, $15/hr equates to $600/wk, assuming a standard 8-hr workday and 5-day workweek. Extrapolate that out to a four-week month and you have $2,400. I live on the edge of Washington DC and I can tell you that you can rent a clean, respectable, functional apartment for a lot less than that. Of course, it's not downtown, doesn't have concierge service or a gym, and maybe you won't be able to have restaurant meals all the time, but it will do until you can do what you have to do to find something better.
    And that is where the wage starts. One of the major differences in the millenials is that they don't understand or aren't prepared to start at the bottom and work their way up. Somehow, they were filled with the idea that they are too good to start at the bottom. It starts with the participation ribbons. I remember taking my son to a hockey camp in the Spring when he was 9. The camp was lead by a school teacher who had coached for years and had a son who had gone to play in the NHL. My son was late to start hockey for a Canadian and so he wanted to catch up. The head of the camp started by talking about respect for the game and your opponent and the officials. He was going on and on and like most school teachers at the time he was talking about how winning doesn't matter, etc. Then, one of the kids asked him if it is okay to want to be the best. He said, "Of course! They keep scores and stats for a reason." I was relieved and my son continued to attend his extra camps for a few years.

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  • Split-N
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    Re: Hockey East: 2019/20 season is Joe Bertagna's last as commish

    With respect, I can't figure out from where you're getting your economic information. The July jobless rate was 3.7%, which is well within most definitions of "full employment." And as for people with Masters degrees not being able to find anything but minimum wage jobs, they either 1) Aren't looking; 2) Aren't looking in the right places; 3) Have a paper degree from an online diploma mill that employers can smell a mile away; or 4) Have a degree in some niche field where scarce jobs are available only in museums and certain research houses.

    And as for that minimum wage, $15/hr equates to $600/wk, assuming a standard 8-hr workday and 5-day workweek. Extrapolate that out to a four-week month and you have $2,400. I live on the edge of Washington DC and I can tell you that you can rent a clean, respectable, functional apartment for a lot less than that. Of course, it won't be downtown, won't have concierge service or a gym, and maybe you won't be able to have restaurant meals all the time, but it will do until you do what you have to do to find something better.
    Last edited by Split-N; 07-29-2019, 09:18 AM.

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  • ticapnews
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    Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
    min wage isn't for kollege grads (unless you a lib arts sociology major!)
    No it isn't, but that's what is being offered. There are jobs for people with Master's Degrees going for $15/hour.

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  • mookie1995
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    Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
    Yes, I am serious. Sure, there are plenty of minimum wage (or slightly better) jobs but there isn't a single county in this country where you can get an apartment on minimum wage. In most places you would have to work two jobs and find a roommate who also works two jobs. The American Dream!
    min wage isn't for kollege grads (unless you a lib arts sociology major!)

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  • Sean Pickett
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    Originally posted by Greg Ambrose View Post
    I will also remind Watcher that “lowering student ticket prices” actually means “lowering the student athletic fee.” And that’s not going to happen. There are approximately 14,000 undergraduates at UNH. Every last one of them, from the guy who mans the cowbell to the computer science geek who spends 18 hours day at the lab, pays that fee, which is north of a $1,000 per semester. UNH, or any other school, is not going to give that money,,or a portion of it, up.
    For the 2017-18 school year UNH athletics reported $13,384,510 in student fees.

    Sean

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  • The Zlax45
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    Originally posted by Greg Ambrose View Post
    The St. Paul FF had UMD. With no home team in Buffalo, the games did not sell out. I will also remind Watcher that “lowering student ticket prices” actually means “lowering the student athletic fee.” And that’s not going to happen. There are approximately 14,000 undergraduates at UNH. Every last one of them, from the guy who mans the cowbell to the computer science geek who spends 18 hours day at the lab, pays that fee, which is north of a $1,000 per semester. UNH, or any other school, is not going to give that money,,or a portion of it, up.
    It is up to that much now? I been out of UNH a little too long now but that fee when I was there also went to Campus Recreation too.

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  • Chuck Murray
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    Re: Hockey East: 2019/20 season is Joe Bertagna's last as commish

    Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
    We could look at the parents who gave them safe spaces and participation trophies instead of teaching them coping skills. Nah! It's easier just to mock them.
    No, actually helicopter parents and their snowflake kids can share equally in their deserved mocking.

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  • Greg Ambrose
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    Originally posted by The Zlax45 View Post
    18,113 in Minnesota was the 2018 NCAA Volleyball Championship Final in the Timerwolves Arena

    2018 NCAA Ice Hockey final also in Minnesota drew 18,303 in the Wild Building

    Some crazy close comparisons between the sports...but hockey attendance overall is much higher
    The St. Paul FF had UMD. With no home team in Buffalo, the games did not sell out. I will also remind Watcher that “lowering student ticket prices” actually means “lowering the student athletic fee.” And that’s not going to happen. There are approximately 14,000 undergraduates at UNH. Every last one of them, from the guy who mans the cowbell to the computer science geek who spends 18 hours day at the lab, pays that fee, which is north of a $1,000 per semester. UNH, or any other school, is not going to give that money,,or a portion of it, up.

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  • ticapnews
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    Originally posted by Chuck Murray View Post
    Good point. Better we enable their sensitive natures and lack of ambition in comfy safe spaces.
    We could look at the parents who gave them safe spaces and participation trophies instead of teaching them coping skills. Nah! It's easier just to mock them.

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  • Chuck Murray
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    Originally posted by Yuppie Scum View Post
    It's hard to see why college and young professional-aged people wouldn't leap at the chance to join a welcoming community of open-minded individuals like this one.
    Good point. Better we enable their sensitive natures and lack of ambition in comfy safe spaces.

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  • Yuppie Scum
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    It's hard to see why college and young professional-aged people wouldn't leap at the chance to join a welcoming community of open-minded individuals like this one.

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  • Split-N
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    Re: Hockey East: 2019/20 season is Joe Bertagna's last as commish

    Originally posted by SkinsFan09 View Post
    Why are we focusing on Millennials, none of them are in college anymore and the oldest are about to turn 40. Generation Z are today's college students who should be attending.
    It's true that Millennials aren't in college anymore. Some have moved on to productive careers but too many have just moved on to their parents' basement. And the GenZs are even more indifferent to competitive sports than the Millennials were.

    Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
    ...The job market is trash, wages haven't changed in years...
    Which job market are you talking about? Lower Skumbovia maybe? The jobless rate in the US is at or near an all-time low and wages have been trending up, even for lower-level hourly jobs. The high-paying jobs are there for those who want to put in the time and effort to earn a degree in a field that's relevant to the 21st Century, and then put in the time and effort to become valued and move up the economic ladder. I've lost count of the number recent (last 5 years) grads whom I personally know and who are thriving both professionally and financially. I also know another who still has his senior year ahead of him and already has a six-figure offer on the table.

    The world is what you make of it and nobody is automatically entitled to the "the good life." It's there for the taking but you have to do something to earn it besides whine
    Last edited by Split-N; 07-29-2019, 09:12 AM.

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  • ticapnews
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    Re: Hockey East: 2019/20 season is Joe Bertagna's last as commish

    Originally posted by woodenskates View Post
    Are you serious? It has never been so easy to get a job. They change jobs more often than we change hockey sticks.
    Yes, I am serious. Sure, there are plenty of minimum wage (or slightly better) jobs but there isn't a single county in this country where you can get an apartment on minimum wage. In most places you would have to work two jobs and find a roommate who also works two jobs. The American Dream!

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  • woodenskates
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    Re: Hockey East: 2019/20 season is Joe Bertagna's last as commish

    Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
    The job market is trash
    Are you serious? It has never been so easy to get a job. They change jobs more often than we change hockey sticks.

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