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  • ExileOnDaytonStreet
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    Originally posted by 4four4 View Post
    IKR. Now, if this was U of St. Thomas I wouldn't bat an eye. That school has money galore and I will not be surprised if I see them suiting up a solid D1 hockey program within a few years.
    Do you figure they’ll build an arena before long? I’m assuming so, but am still very curious how they manage until then. Target Center? Ritter? Or do they go with some of the high school rinks around town and suffer the sub-2,000 capacity for a while?

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  • 4four4
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    Re: Starting D1 Hockey Program

    Originally posted by AMC View Post
    Where the heck does a school like High Point get $1 billion?
    IKR. Now, if this was U of St. Thomas I wouldn't bat an eye. That school has money galore and I will not be surprised if I see them suiting up a solid D1 hockey program within a few years.

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  • Split-N
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    Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
    This is the classic College Hockey Fan Talking About Expansion blunder.

    You have:
    - A gap in the market
    - A list of schools in the area

    And that’s it. Other than Navy absolutely none of them have had any public inclination to investigate the concept of hockey. No arenas being proposed outside of Navy. No rumors, no feasibility studies, no consultants, nothing. How many of them even have a club team drawing more than a sorority every game?

    If I’m making a list of schools with potential (and out of boredom, I have), I’m putting the ones who’ve actually expressed an interest up top, a list of schools with new arenas in the works next, and schools with popular club teams after that. Maybe schools who have gotten involved in hosting neutral sites or NCAA games, or just for kicks think of some that have had long held “rumors”. LIU seems to tell me I should keep a closer eye on news out of Syracuse and Lindenwood, I guess.

    At the very end of that list, with a 0-0.5% possibility of ever happening? That’s where I would put the schools that some poster thought “would be successful” purely for geographic or whatever reasons. They can sit there with Texas and the entire SEC and Iowa State and Marquette and Rutgers and Louisville.
    I thought I made it abundantly clear in the quoted post and related posts that what I was writing was pure speculation...even a flight of fancy. And just to be sure, added the caveat that nobody should hold their breath waiting for any of this to happen. Last time I looked, this was a fan forum that exists for the purpose of exchanging opinions and stimulating discussion. That's all that was intended. Sorry if your sensibilities were offended.
    Last edited by Split-N; 05-05-2020, 02:37 PM.

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  • AMC
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    Originally posted by 4four4 View Post
    I did a litte reasearch about High Point University in NC and they penned a D1 hockey facility.

    HPU ANNOUNCES 10-YEAR GROWTH PLAN, $1 BILLION INVESTMENT

    * $300 million in new construction, including a new library, academic building, admissions center and Division I ice hockey facility
    Where the heck does a school like High Point get $1 billion?

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  • ExileOnDaytonStreet
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    Originally posted by Split-N View Post
    Copied from the Illinois thread: "...the Washington Caps are wildly popular in the DMV and youth hockey in this part of the world is stronger than it has ever been. So D1 college hockey at places like Navy, Maryland, and George Mason would likely have success. As noted, Navy already has a rink and George Mason has an ice-making capability at its Patriot Center arena. Georgetown and George Washington would very much be longshots as they would need to build arenas and have precious little available land on which to build anything."

    In the Baltimore area, Johns Hopkins, Towson, Loyola, and Maryland-Baltimore County all have long-established ACHA programs but all except Hopkins are short on resources. Interestingly, Johns Hopkins is already a B1G associate member for lacrosse.

    Then there's Delaware, which also has a well-established ACHA program and an on-campus rink. D1 college hockey would work well there.
    This is the classic College Hockey Fan Talking About Expansion blunder.

    You have:
    - A gap in the market
    - A list of schools in the area

    And that’s it. Other than Navy absolutely none of them have had any public inclination to investigate the concept of hockey. No arenas being proposed outside of Navy. No rumors, no feasibility studies, no consultants, nothing. How many of them even have a club team drawing more than a sorority every game?

    If I’m making a list of schools with potential (and out of boredom, I have), I’m putting the ones who’ve actually expressed an interest up top, a list of schools with new arenas in the works next, and schools with popular club teams after that. Maybe schools who have gotten involved in hosting neutral sites or NCAA games, or just for kicks think of some that have had long held “rumors”. LIU seems to tell me I should keep a closer eye on news out of Syracuse and Lindenwood, I guess.

    At the very end of that list, with a 0-0.5% possibility of ever happening? That’s where I would put the schools that some poster thought “would be successful” purely for geographic or whatever reasons. They can sit there with Texas and the entire SEC and Iowa State and Marquette and Rutgers and Louisville.

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  • kingdobbs
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    Originally posted by J.D. View Post
    Just seems like building a 2,500 seat on campus rink just so it can be on campus is backwards thinking when you look at the Hartford crowds. Is the fear that if they do build a rink in Storrs, crowds wouldn't be as good as in Hartford? Or is 2,500 on the table because it's cheaper?
    The fear is credible, speaking candidly, that overbuilding in our current athletic performance and financial ebb, and in a general trend of declining in person attendance overall in sporting (plus now there’s also corona), gives us another white elephant* like Rentschler Field.

    A Power 5 invite ain’t coming tomorrow or any time soon (or probably ever( so we can’t spend like it.

    *It wasn’t one at the time, but white elephants rarely start as white elephants.

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  • sigx15
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    Originally posted by J.D. View Post
    Just seems like building a 2,500 seat on campus rink just so it can be on campus is backwards thinking when you look at the Hartford crowds. Is the fear that if they do build a rink in Storrs, crowds wouldn't be as good as in Hartford? Or is 2,500 on the table because it's cheaper?
    What UConn is doing with their arena is completely bizarre. From the outside looking in, it seems like they don’t have the support for the money it’d take to build a 4,000 seat arena. They’re building a $45 million arena with $22.5 million as a downpayment with a developer covering the rest. They’re then leasing it for $1.6 million a year for 30 years and then will own it. Below is a good article on it.

    Just shows the difference with a private institution vs. a public vs. a public with a huge donor. I wouldn’t be surprised if Sacred Heart already has a handshake deal to enter Hockey East once their arena is done, it makes too much sense. Deep pockets, willing to invest, almost 6k undergrads, and in southern CT where Hockey East doesn’t currently have a presence.

    https://www.courant.com/sports/hockey/hc-sp-uconn-board-of-trustees-committees-discuss-financial-plan-for-ice-hockey-arena-20181029-story.html

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  • J.D.
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    Originally posted by JohnsonsJerseys View Post
    Holy Cross has the inside track because their women's program has already made the jump to Hockey East.
    Only if they make a commitment like Sacred Heart is.

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  • JohnsonsJerseys
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    Re: Starting D1 Hockey Program

    Originally posted by J.D. View Post
    It's no secret that HE wants to add a 12th team. Ideally I think Holy Cross would be the better addition but they aren't making the commitment SH is.
    Holy Cross has the inside track because their women's program has already made the jump to Hockey East.

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  • J.D.
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    Re: Starting D1 Hockey Program

    Just seems like building a 2,500 seat on campus rink just so it can be on campus is backwards thinking when you look at the Hartford crowds. Is the fear that if they do build a rink in Storrs, crowds wouldn't be as good as in Hartford? Or is 2,500 on the table because it's cheaper?

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  • kingdobbs
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    Originally posted by J.D. View Post
    Given the crowds they get in Hartford, UConn would be insane to build only a 2,500 seat rink. I am not sure what goes on behind the scenes but has UConn playing in Hartford caused Hockey East a lot of headaches?
    Headaches no, but it’s been...kind of a feeling like we aren’t living up to our end of the bargain with the delays and redesigns and proposing an undersized rink when they KNEW there was a minimum standard* to meet.

    I don’t know how much of this is FAN disappointment versus league or constituent member disappointment though.

    EDIT to add: people aren’t really fans of midweek and Saturday afternoon games either, but that’s what happens when you’re fourth banana behind two basketball teams and an AHL club.

    And I think 3000 or 3500 makes more sense for us, especially if we can build in a couple hundred more in SRO capacity, but built right and promoted well with students and statewide hockey fans to get them to think its worth going all the way to Cow Town, alongside a winning team, 2.5K can be plenty intimidating.

    *Whether it makes sense for us to build bigger in this current environment of steadily declining attendance across the board and a feeling that many recent new arena projects were overbuilt, not for any fault of the teams in question, is a different story.
    Last edited by kingdobbs; 05-04-2020, 02:04 PM.

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  • J.D.
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    Originally posted by sigx15 View Post
    Who knows, with all the delays UConn’s arena planning and feasibility studies have resulted in, Sacred Heart May have a 4,000 seat on campus arena before UConn even starts construction on their 2,500 seat arena.
    Given the crowds they get in Hartford, UConn would be insane to build only a 2,500 seat rink. I am not sure what goes on behind the scenes but has UConn playing in Hartford caused Hockey East a lot of headaches?

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  • Split-N
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    Originally posted by Ed Trefzger View Post
    Johns Hopkins is D-III in everything except men's and women's lacrosse, which are grandfathered (and grandmothered I guess?). They could have a D-III varsity program but the NCAA's moratorium on playing up to D-I would prevent them from adding hockey unless they take everything D-I.
    Point taken. Thanx.

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  • 4four4
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    Re: Starting D1 Hockey Program

    I did a litte reasearch about High Point University in NC and they penned a D1 hockey facility.

    HPU ANNOUNCES 10-YEAR GROWTH PLAN, $1 BILLION INVESTMENT

    * $300 million in new construction, including a new library, academic building, admissions center and Division I ice hockey facility

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  • Ed Trefzger
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    Re: Starting D1 Hockey Program

    Originally posted by Split-N View Post
    In the Baltimore area, Johns Hopkins ...
    Johns Hopkins is D-III in everything except men's and women's lacrosse, which are grandfathered (and grandmothered I guess?). They could have a D-III varsity program but the NCAA's moratorium on playing up to D-I would prevent them from adding hockey unless they take everything D-I.

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