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  • #16
    Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

    Ideal ncaa tournament format(in my opinion):
    1st Round top 8 seeds host 2 of 3 series.
    2nd Round top 4 remaining seeds host 2 of 3 series.
    Frozen four at a neutral site single elimination just as it is now.

    Yes we have to go to 3 weekends but that should be easy to do since there is already a weekend off in the current format.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by elitehockeymind View Post
      Ideal ncaa tournament format(in my opinion):
      1st Round top 8 seeds host 2 of 3 series.
      2nd Round top 4 remaining seeds host 2 of 3 series.
      Frozen four at a neutral site single elimination just as it is now.

      Yes we have to go to 3 weekends but that should be easy to do since there is already a weekend off in the current format.
      So how do you get all the schools to be able to block out two weeks of 4 dates at their home rinks? For instance, Ohio State and Minnesota Stateís arenas have conflicts this weekend. You canít expect those arenas to hold those dates open.
      Last edited by davyd83; 03-25-2019, 12:04 PM.
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      • #18
        Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

        Why have 8 teams host and deal with all that travel and extra time. Why not merely have the top four each host four teams - three games - at their rink.
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        • #19
          Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

          Originally posted by Caustic Undertow View Post
          I mean, c'mon. Congratulations MSU Mankato! As a reward for a great season, one of the best in program history, you get to travel to Rhode Island to play in Providence. Who do you get to play? That's right: Providence! It's alright, though, because the HEA champion doesn't have to travel far--after all, there are three regionals within a five-hour drive of Boston.

          Ok, being a bit more serious: Simply hosting the 8 games at the home rink of the top 8 seeds would require the same amount of travel. It would provide much better atmospheres for both home and road teams, and sell more tickets. It would reward smaller schools that make the top 8. It would just be plain better.

          This argument has a long history on this board. You can find the threads if you're so inclined. In short: The hockey competition committee, in its management of the NCAA tournament regionals, actively harms the sport.
          And how many times (since you cite "previous" discussions) do we have to say that the NCAA DOES NOT CARE ABOUT HOCKEY?

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          • #20
            Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

            Originally posted by UncleRay View Post
            Why have 8 teams host and deal with all that travel and extra time. Why not merely have the top four each host four teams - three games - at their rink.
            Probably 1/3 (guess) of the arenas used in college hockey can't host 4 teams to the specifications of the NCAA Tournament handbook, between available space, and available time. What happens if one of those teams is a top-4 seed?

            r

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            • #21
              Originally posted by johnk
              2 sites. 8 teams. 3 days. All problems solved.
              Get ready for the logistical experts...

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              • #22
                2 sites. 8 teams. 3 days. All problems solved.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by J.D. View Post
                  Get ready for the logistical experts...
                  Nothings perfect but attendance should be much better, especially having 2 games the last day instead of 1.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by ticapnews View Post
                    They should just do like football in Europe and crown a champion at the end of the regular season. No tournaments, no playoffs. Congratulations St Cloud. Now we're all spared three weeks of whining.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

                      Love how Ohio state gets stuck out west and last place Bowling Green gets the closest regional! OSU better get smart and start hosting so they can't get shipped off. Huntington Center in Toledo would be perfect for a Midwest regional and it's not a dump like US Bank Arena in Cincinnati!
                      Last edited by Hockeybuckeye; 03-25-2019, 10:19 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

                        Originally posted by Hockeybuckeye View Post
                        Love how Ohio state gets stuck out west and last place Bowling Green gets the closest regional! OSU better get smart and start hosting so they can't get shipped off. Huntington Arena in Toledo would be perfect for a Midwest regional.
                        It was held there about three years ago, but I don't think it was successful.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

                          Originally posted by manurespreader View Post
                          It was held there about three years ago, but I don't think it was successful.
                          How do you judge success? At most regionals after the first day half the fans typically bail when the first two teams are eliminated.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

                            How many PC fans are gonna show up anyway? It's not like they fill up their home rink.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

                              Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
                              except, those are the national leagues, they still have a tournament among the top teams from each top league. So, congratulations UMass (sorry NU), OSU ( sorry ND), Quinnipiac (sorry Clarkson), AIC, St. Cloud and Minnesota State.

                              Of course, the big issue would be how you hand out the 16 NCAA spots. The European leagues give so many slots to each league based on past performance in the tournament, but that would cause an uproar. Since we currently have a system in place that more or less works we could just use that. Top 16 qualify, except if a regular season champion is below 16 there is a play-in game or games. This year it would be AIC at Penn State to make the tournament.

                              Sean
                              Or do it like Champions League and assign positions to leagues based on past performance.

                              NCHC: 4
                              HEA: 3
                              ECAC: 3
                              B1G: 3
                              WCHA: 2
                              AHA: 1

                              So
                              1 SCSU
                              2 UMD
                              3 Mankato
                              4 UMA
                              5 Clarkson
                              6 NE
                              7 Quinnipiac
                              8 Denver

                              9 Ohio State
                              10 Cornell
                              11 Notre Dame
                              12 PC
                              13 BGSU
                              14 Penn State
                              15 WMU
                              16 AIC
                              (Sorry Arizona State and Harvard; to the Europa League with you)

                              Following UEFA procedure I assigned these randomly. Intraconference games are fine. Teams in bold host the first leg of the tie.

                              #1 St Cloud vs #10 Cornell
                              #2 UMD vs #11 Notre Dame
                              #3 Mankato vs #9 Ohio State
                              #4 Massachusetts vs #16 AIC
                              #5 Clarkson vs #14 Penn State
                              #6 Northeastern vs #15 Western Michigan
                              #7 Quinnipiac vs #13 Bowling Green
                              #8 Denver vs #12 Providence

                              1st Leg: 26/27 March
                              2nd Leg: 30/31 March
                              2 games, Total goals, Away goal rules

                              Redraw after the Round of 16.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Annual thread in which the absurdity of the current regional system is discussed

                                Originally posted by Biddco View Post
                                How many PC fans are gonna show up anyway? It's not like they fill up their home rink.
                                It's actually pretty sizable. In 2017 there were 6543 fans on the first day (Providence lost) and only 3708 the next day. By contrast in 2015 when Providence won both games, attendance for the first day was 7908 and stayed strong at 6326 on day two. So attendance fell 44% without them vs 20% with them. Numbers large enough for the NCAA not to ignore.

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