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  • mbenecke
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    Robert Morris announced today that they are shutting down their men's and women's ice hockey programs.

    Tough news, Colonials. I wish there was something more that could be said to comfort you here.

    https://www.rmu.edu/about/news/hockey-info

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  • JohnsonsJerseys
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    Originally posted by pdt1081 View Post
    At that point, what are you missing to be an actual conference?
    You can count the NCHC out of that plan. They have no interest in helping anyone. It is the root cause of why the conference was formed. They didn't want to play games against anyone they perceived to be dead weight. No way they are traveling to those schools with the exception of maybe ASU as I'm guessing they still hold out hope that ASU will get their act together, finish a rink and then they can add a "huge D-I school" to their conference. The CCHA 2.0 will also not want any kind of scheduling agreement with them. They just left those teams behind so they are not going to start playing them again on a regular basis. (I'm sure you'll still see the odd games here and there with those teams but they don't want to be locked into more games with them.)

    Sadly that plan only looks attractive to the teams that need it. It doesn't look at all attractive to all the other teams that would be providing the "help" in that plan. That's why those teams are not currently in conferences.

    The best thing the NCAA could do is offer an exemption like the Alaska schools get if you play games AT any D-I team not currently in a conference. Then all the schools are still free to schedule with those five as they see fit but at least there is a little carrot to encourage them to do so more frequently.

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  • ExileOnDaytonStreet
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    Yeah I think this is a very rosy version of what I posited before.

    I say:
    • Make zero assumptions about the meaning of any tournament they have.
    • Assume they won’t get very close to 1:1 home/away ratio in any scheduling agreement. Whatever agreement that <could maybe> be made would need people to actually agree to it.

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  • pdt1081
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    Originally posted by AMC View Post

    Considering that UAH and UAA do not sponsor hockey, you are missing two of your five schools.
    The post I quoted was a hypothetical involving those schools. If you have a scheduling agreement between 4 independent schools, and then play an end of year "tournament" involving said independent schools, what's missing from just forming a conference of said "independent" schools?

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  • AMC
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    Originally posted by pdt1081 View Post

    At that point, what are you missing to be an actual conference?
    Considering that UAH and UAA do not sponsor hockey, you are missing two of your five schools.

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  • pdt1081
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    Originally posted by Charger #2 View Post
    Currently 5 independents if I am correct:
    Arizona State
    Alaska Fairbanks
    Long Island U.
    UAH (if back from suspending(
    UAA (if funding comes through)
    From there, likely one for sure gets into a conference leaving 4. You could easily get to a 34 game schedule:
    - 2 weekend series, both home/away, vs the other 3 independents (6 series) for 12 games
    - 11 series (5 home and 6 away each year) vs all other schools. There are 57 other teams meaning on average a team would have to travel to one of the four schools once every approximately 3 years (4 teams with 5 home series equals 20 home series/year shared amongst the 57 teams).
    This would guarantee the independents 34 games, 16 of which would be at home and would also create rivalries with the other 3 independents.
    When I played at UAH in the initial independent DI days we also had a year end tournament a couple of times with 3 other DI independents. I believe St Cloud may even have gotten into NCAA tourney one year?!?
    You could do that again to crown an independent champion and possibly have them qualify for a play in game like the NCAA basketball play in games). A one and done game with 16th ranked team to get in NCAA tourney. Would give them a basis to recruit as well.
    Just my two cents.




    At that point, what are you missing to be an actual conference?

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  • RaceBoarder
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    Hrm. Become independent, get guaranteed home games against Minnesota, NoDak, Michigan, and other top tier draws....


    Seems legit...

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  • Lost_Husky
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    Originally posted by Charger #2 View Post
    Currently 5 independents if I am correct:
    Arizona State
    Alaska Fairbanks
    Long Island U.
    UAH (if back from suspending(
    UAA (if funding comes through)
    From there, likely one for sure gets into a conference leaving 4. You could easily get to a 34 game schedule:
    - 2 weekend series, both home/away, vs the other 3 independents (6 series) for 12 games
    - 11 series (5 home and 6 away each year) vs all other schools. There are 57 other teams meaning on average a team would have to travel to one of the four schools once every approximately 3 years (4 teams with 5 home series equals 20 home series/year shared amongst the 57 teams).
    This would guarantee the independents 34 games, 16 of which would be at home and would also create rivalries with the other 3 independents.
    When I played at UAH in the initial independent DI days we also had a year end tournament a couple of times with 3 other DI independents. I believe St Cloud may even have gotten into NCAA tourney one year?!?
    You could do that again to crown an independent champion and possibly have them qualify for a play in game like the NCAA basketball play in games). A one and done game with 16th ranked team to get in NCAA tourney. Would give them a basis to recruit as well.
    Just my two cents.




    That makes too much sense, so it never will happen. Do I think those schools should try anyway, of course.

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  • Charger #2
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    I will add to my earlier comment, if the independent tournament was played each year, and was rotated amongst the 4 teams, that would give each team an extra home weekend every 4th year, and act as a playoff and mean 36 games minimum for all those teams each year.

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  • Charger #2
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    Currently 5 independents if I am correct:
    Arizona State
    Alaska Fairbanks
    Long Island U.
    UAH (if back from suspending(
    UAA (if funding comes through)
    From there, likely one for sure gets into a conference leaving 4. You could easily get to a 34 game schedule:
    - 2 weekend series, both home/away, vs the other 3 independents (6 series) for 12 games
    - 11 series (5 home and 6 away each year) vs all other schools. There are 57 other teams meaning on average a team would have to travel to one of the four schools once every approximately 3 years (4 teams with 5 home series equals 20 home series/year shared amongst the 57 teams).
    This would guarantee the independents 34 games, 16 of which would be at home and would also create rivalries with the other 3 independents.
    When I played at UAH in the initial independent DI days we also had a year end tournament a couple of times with 3 other DI independents. I believe St Cloud may even have gotten into NCAA tourney one year?!?
    You could do that again to crown an independent champion and possibly have them qualify for a play in game like the NCAA basketball play in games). A one and done game with 16th ranked team to get in NCAA tourney. Would give them a basis to recruit as well.
    Just my two cents.





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  • Iwearpurple
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    Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
    Wild idea: how about if all six conferences came up with a scheduling agreement with the independent schools that got them some home games?

    Doesnt have to be as altruistic as forcing someone to have them in a conference, but I’d imagine spreading the pain for UA/UAA/UAH over 50-odd programs might be more palatable for everyone involved.
    That actually seems like a good idea to me. But the NCAA would have to get involved with this and I don't see that happening.

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  • ExileOnDaytonStreet
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    Wild idea: how about if all six conferences came up with a scheduling agreement with the independent schools that got them some home games?

    Doesnt have to be as altruistic as forcing someone to have them in a conference, but I’d imagine spreading the pain for UA/UAA/UAH over 50-odd programs might be more palatable for everyone involved.

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  • njmav1
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    Originally posted by JohnsonsJerseys View Post
    I think what happens with LIU will be a good indication of how Atlantic Hockey feels/felt about UAH. If LIU gets into Atlantic and UAH does not, then I think you have to say it was geography that killed the Chargers chances. If you look at everything else, there is no reason to not take UAH over / with LIU.
    • Tradition - advantage UAH, they've been around for decades in D-II and now D-I
    • Success - advantage UAH, multiple national championships in D-II and at times have played tough in the WCHA 2.0
    • Dedicated fans/alumni - advantage UAH, hands down, they refuse to let the program die
    • Finances - advantage UAH, in spite of rocky times, their supporters haven't been just talk, they've put their money where their mouth is
    • Connection to AH - advantage LIU, Atlantic was willing to assist LIU with scheduling this year so it is safe to say there is already some mutual interest, if UAH had been D-I Ind. this year, would AH have been as eager to add games against them?
    • Location - advantage LIU, the Sharks are the easier trip for Atlantic teams when compared to UAH
    • Tradition means nothing these days- otherwise there would be no B1G hockey.
    • Success at the D2 level is something you can't take away from UAH. But we're talking D1.
    • Dedicated fans/alumni, perhaps UAH's biggest and most attractive asset. But the conference is composed of the member institutions. UAH as an institution hasn't shown that it is committed to the program. I believe that is what kept UAH out of the CCHA.
    • Finances- we'll have to disagree. The program's supporters have been more than willing to write the checks. But why does it take a near death experience for the money to start flowing?
    LIU's biggest advantage is it's location. As for commitment, they've already shown that in the COVID strangled season, they answered the bell, unlike the Alaska schools and much of the established programs in the ECAC. And just like UAH, Atlantic Hockey is LIU's only option for conference membership, so you have to believe they're fighting for that spot.
    Last edited by njmav1; 05-10-2021, 05:57 AM. Reason: Fixed grammar.

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  • pdt1081
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    Originally posted by njmav1 View Post

    I'm not so sure about that. There are plenty of bad programs that fit comfortably in their conferences. Ferris hasn't had a decent winning season in a while, yet there was no question about including them in the new CCHA. I think geography and a demonstrable commitment to the hockey program are the two most important factors. Right now, UAH has neither on their side.
    Sadly, even with a bad Ferris team, there's no question if they are playing the next season or the season after that.

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  • JohnsonsJerseys
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    I think what happens with LIU will be a good indication of how Atlantic Hockey feels/felt about UAH. If LIU gets into Atlantic and UAH does not, then I think you have to say it was geography that killed the Chargers chances. If you look at everything else, there is no reason to not take UAH over / with LIU.
    • Tradition - advantage UAH, they've been around for decades in D-II and now D-I
    • Success - advantage UAH, multiple national championships in D-II and at times have played tough in the WCHA 2.0
    • Dedicated fans/alumni - advantage UAH, hands down, they refuse to let the program die
    • Finances - advantage UAH, in spite of rocky times, their supporters haven't been just talk, they've put their money where their mouth is
    • Connection to AH - advantage LIU, Atlantic was willing to assist LIU with scheduling this year so it is safe to say there is already some mutual interest, if UAH had been D-I Ind. this year, would AH have been as eager to add games against them?
    • Location - advantage LIU, the Sharks are the easier trip for Atlantic teams when compared to UAH

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