Michigan State Hockey 202?-202?

[digitalbooya]

Donovan with a horrible hit...

Edit: I'm in the wrong thread. I apologize.

[Johnny Danger]

dennis cesana is the team's leading scorer. As a defenseman. means, there's not too much offense from the offense ;-)
Beside that .. how is Cesana's development? is he playing on the PK?

[FLHockeyMom]

dennis cesana is the team's leading scorer. As a defenseman. means, there's not too much offense from the offense ;-)
Beside that .. how is Cesana's development? is he playing on the PK?

Danton Cole flipped Cesana from USMA shortly after being hired at MSU, and Cesana's shown that he's better than your average AHA player. That having been said, his development trajectory, along with most of the team, has stagnated under Cole. So it's hard to know what his ceiling really is. Since Cesana's one of the few offensive weapons, he'd be a waste on the PK at the moment.

[wsummers]

Danton Cole flipped Cesana from USMA shortly after being hired at MSU, and Cesana's shown that he's better than your average AHA player. That having been said, his development trajectory, along with most of the team, has stagnated under Cole. So it's hard to know what his ceiling really is. Since Cesana's one of the few offensive weapons, he'd be a waste on the PK at the moment.

Cesana was a flip from Army, the K twins from Wisconsin, Mattson from North Dakota, Combs from BSU. Incoming Sophomores Davidson from UMassAmherst and Middendorf from CC. Middendorf and Davidson are leading their teams in scoring, but as 20 year olds they should...we’ll see if it carries over next year.

I’m not as down on Cole as you seem to be. He has had a couple top recruits who never made it to campus. My biggest disappointment is he hasn’t so far been able to draw guys from the USA program which he used to coach. The players he has recruited (Fresh/Soph) haven’t developed offensively (at least not yet). While the previous years showed slow progress, this Year has been a slide backwards as they have a non-existent powerplay and offense that is offensively challenged at even strength.

[FLHockeyMom]

Cesana was a flip from Army, the K twins from Wisconsin, Mattson from North Dakota, Combs from BSU. Incoming Sophomores Davidson from UMassAmherst and Middendorf from CC. Middendorf and Davidson are leading their teams in scoring, but as 20 year olds they should...we’ll see if it carries over next year.

I’m not as down on Cole as you seem to be. He has had a couple top recruits who never made it to campus. My biggest disappointment is he hasn’t so far been able to draw guys from the USA program which he used to coach. The players he has recruited (Fresh/Soph) haven’t developed offensively (at least not yet). While the previous years showed slow progress, this Year has been a slide backwards as they have a non-existent powerplay and offense that is offensively challenged at even strength.

Add Goodsir from Denver to your foregoing "flip" list. Not that he makes the list any more attractive.

Bottom line, I was never convinced Cole was the right hire (not experienced in a successful rebuild; too nice a guy to make the tough decisions; etc. etc.). Consequently, I have a lot further way to go to be won over. But if you re-read your post, I'm struggling to come away with anything positive that would change my position. Incoming OA recruits who arguably should dominate 02s, 03s, and the smattering of 04s in Tier 1? The ones that got away? The regression in the PP and offense? Help a girl out!

[John J. MacInnes]

dennis cesana is the team's leading scorer. As a defenseman. means, there's not too much offense from the offense ;-)

That's not necessarily always true. John-Michael Liles led the team in scoring in two straight seasons with guys like Adam Hall and Jim Slater on those rosters.

[wsummers]

First 5 signings for next year have been announced.

https://msuspartans.com/news/2021/2/...r-2021-22.aspx

[FLHockeyMom]

First 5 signings for next year have been announced.

https://msuspartans.com/news/2021/2/...r-2021-22.aspx

No surprise here as three of the five are OAs and, as a whole, these are the recruits who are the most D1 ready. While I expect the OAs to have lofty stats, I admit this is an uptick from prior recruiting classes and agree that Cole has reason to be optimistic. Now let's see how he rounds out the class.

[wsummers]

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No surprise here as three of the five are OAs and, as a whole, these are the recruits who are the most D1 ready. While I expect the OAs to have lofty stats, I admit this is an uptick from prior recruiting classes and agree that Cole has reason to be optimistic. Now let's see how he rounds out the class.

i agree this does appear to be the best class he has had to date. If no underclassman jumps there is room for up to 3 more forwards. One or two of those spots could be filled by 5th year players with Combs probably the most likely. Winter Wallace and Joel Maatta are also likely to be added as long as they have decent USHL years.

[FLHockeyMom]

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i agree this does appear to be the best class he has had to date. If no underclassman jumps there is room for up to 3 more forwards. One or two of those spots could be filled by 5th year players with Combs probably the most likely. Winter Wallace and Joel Maatta are also likely to be added as long as they have decent USHL years.

Right, this is where things come back down to reality. Based on performance to date, I would not be asking back any senior Fs other than perhaps Lewandowski and Combs (sorry, Apap, IMO your FOWs don't override your shortcomings). Next logical men up are somewhat uninspiring: the aforementioned Maatta (more of a defensive forward) and Wallace (arguably trending up since a trade to the Phantoms #freshstart); Dan Russell (MSU legacy, need I say more?); and Tiernan Shoudy. It's a shame Carter Mazur spurned MSU for Denver as he'd be a good addition.

[wsummers]

Right, this is where things come back down to reality. Based on performance to date, I would not be asking back any senior Fs other than perhaps Lewandowski and Combs (sorry, Apap, IMO your FOWs don't override your shortcomings). Next logical men up are somewhat uninspiring: the aforementioned Maatta (more of a defensive forward) and Wallace (arguably trending up since a trade to the Phantoms #freshstart); Dan Russell (MSU legacy, need I say more?); and Tiernan Shoudy. It's a shame Carter Mazur spurned MSU for Denver as he'd be a good addition.

Thanks, I had forgotten Russell was in this class. Russell and Wallace seem to be having decent years (Wallace only since switching teams) offensively. As you mentioned, if Maatta would be brought in it would mainly be for killing penalties and on a checking line. As for Shoudy, I expect him to spend next year back in the USHL.

[FLHockeyMom]

The announcement of the initial recruiting class of 5 has me wondering if Cole brings in another dman to complement impressive recruit Gucciardi. We have somewhat of a logjam at the position, particularly if Sr. dman Tommy Miller returns for his COVID year, and Cesana doesn't make the jump to the pros (not likely IMO). I just noticed Zane Demsey no longer shows as an MSU commit on the Dubuque USHL line chart, so he's apparently out of contention although Heisenberg doesn't reflect his decommit yet. Demsey's Dubuque teammate and fellow dman Feenstra might be an option. Or Basgall from the Lancers who's younger and has slightly better offensive stats (in Feenstra's defense, Dubuque is a bit challenged at the moment). I'm also interested to see if rarely used dman Dybicz makes the cut (my guess is a transfer is in his future).

[wsummers]

The announcement of the initial recruiting class of 5 has me wondering if Cole brings in another dman to complement impressive recruit Gucciardi. We have somewhat of a logjam at the position, particularly if Sr. dman Tommy Miller returns for his COVID year, and Cesana doesn't make the jump to the pros (not likely IMO). I just noticed Zane Demsey no longer shows as an MSU commit on the Dubuque USHL line chart, so he's apparently out of contention although Heisenberg doesn't reflect his decommit yet. Demsey's Dubuque teammate and fellow dman Feenstra might be an option. Or Basgall from the Lancers who's younger and has slightly better offensive stats (in Feenstra's defense, Dubuque is a bit challenged at the moment). I'm also interested to see if rarely used dman Dybicz makes the cut (my guess is a transfer is in his future).

I don’t see very many seniors taking advantage of the 5th covid year this year unless they want a graduate degree. Otherwise they are likely to play pro hockey. I’ve mentioned Combs because he is a graduate student and he may need another year to finish his degree. I’ve always thought Dybicz was mostly an insurance player for next year in case we lose more than just Miller.

[Pirateasaur]

Hockey team sure hasn’t given us much to discuss lately. Maybe we’ll get one from Wisconsin but I’ve definitely checked out since all we’re playing for now is pride.

[Hockeybuckeye]

I have a question that's in relation to a thread on the women's forum. Has the upgrades to Munn been completed and does anyone know if the upgrades would allow space to someday include a women's team?