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  • Pirateasaur
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    Non con dropped today. Not surprises except Long Island. Better not drop one of those for the new staff’s sake.
    “Get these dates into your calendar! Our non-conference schedule is now officially on the books!”

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  • wsummers
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    Mike Towns (from Clarkson) is the new assistant coach. Nightingale has put together an excellent coaching staff.

    also GLI is back (sans Michigan) at GR December 27-28 with Ferris, Western, and Tech
    Last edited by wsummers; 06-08-2022, 01:02 PM.

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  • wsummers
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    Add Viktor Hurtig for this year. A big Dman…makes 9 d at this time.

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  • Pirateasaur
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    Originally posted by J.D. View Post
    Interesting approach from you guys. On the surface an underwhelming choice for HC but then you poach a top assistant from an established program.
    It’s given me a jolt of confidence, that’s for sure. I’ve come around to the Nightingale hire in the past weeks but I now am convinced he’ll be an upgrade over our last couple coaches.

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  • J.D.
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    Interesting approach from you guys. On the surface an underwhelming choice for HC but then you poach a top assistant from an established program.

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  • aallenpollreisz
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    Originally posted by wsummers View Post

    I’m pleased. Good recruiter and former goalie so that position is covered. Nightingale’s ability to lure an assistant from a top program is a good sign. Jared should enjoy the much lower housing costs in East Lansing.
    He’ll probably make a tad bit more here, too.

    Really happy with this hire.

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  • wsummers
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    Originally posted by sigx15 View Post
    Nice pickup on the coaching staff for you guys. Seems like Nightingale might know what he's doing...

    https://twitter.com/jeffcox425/statu...HiZtimzYIIIT5w

    https://twitter.com/MarkDivver/statu...HiZtimzYIIIT5w
    I’m pleased. Good recruiter and former goalie so that position is covered. Nightingale’s ability to lure an assistant from a top program is a good sign. Jared should enjoy the much lower housing costs in East Lansing.

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  • sigx15
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    Nice pickup on the coaching staff for you guys. Seems like Nightingale might know what he's doing...

    https://twitter.com/jeffcox425/statu...HiZtimzYIIIT5w

    https://twitter.com/MarkDivver/statu...HiZtimzYIIIT5w

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  • Puckstopper467
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    he needs to gain respect into the program. I am in Blaine for the Robertson Cup and was talking with a NAHL official today that told me some high end recruits committed recently and passed on MSU. Reading the thread here seems like the NAHL player is not the appetite for MSU base and still the NAHL player is passing on the program.. so lots of work to do by Nightingale to rebuild the attraction factor in the program

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  • Pirateasaur
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    I’m not really opposed to recruiting out of the NAHL or AJHL but I do not think we’re going to overhaul this roster by pulling currently uncommitted players for next year. Unless they’re the diamond in the rough of the century there is no way they are an upgrade to any middling talent player we’ve had for the last 10+ years. That goes for guys in the USHL as well.

    Nightingale needs to prop up the current roster with all the bubblegum and duct tape he can until he can pull in some real building material.

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  • Puckstopper467
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    Good feedback. can see your point

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  • FLHockeyMom
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    Originally posted by Puckstopper467 View Post
    In the past would agree, however COVID changed the landscape as many players did not travel back across the border to the BCHL and AJ. 02's, and 03's chose to play in the NAHL and NCDC versus less roles in the USHL. Take the top 2 BCHL/NAHL teams and they beat the Clark Cup Champion.
    I understand what you’re saying but, with all due respect, until one of those COVID restricted 02s or 03s comes directly from the NAHL and scores a PPG in a decent D1 conference (not talking amongst AHA competition), then I don’t think it applies. Elite scorers’ ceilings are simply not the NAHL. That’s because D1 coaches may recognize the talent early and commit at the NAHL level, but then refer to the USHL for a year or two of seasoning. What I and other posters are referring to are NAHL age-outs who never play above Tier 2. Very few of them other than goalies make an impact at a decent D1 level. So to recruit those players for the upcoming season and potentially have them around for four unremarkable seasons is not necessarily better than taking an experienced portal player for a year or two. In the absence of a robust transfer portal at the time, Cole recruited out of the NAHL his first season with lackluster results (won’t name names). However, a cutthroat coach like Ben Barr at UMaine would’ve shed the deadweight and upgraded after a season. Every team is searching for elite scorers, not just MSU. So why not us?

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  • Puckstopper467
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    In the past would agree, however COVID changed the landscape as many players did not travel back across the border to the BCHL and AJ. 02's, and 03's chose to play in the NAHL and NCDC versus less roles in the USHL. Take the top 2 BCHL/NAHL teams and they beat the Clark Cup Champion.

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  • FLHockeyMom
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    Originally posted by Puckstopper467 View Post
    Just because a player does not play in the USHL really does not matter as that league caters more to the younger player with higher perception and there is the MSU fan base problem. Watch how many teams recruit from the BCHL, NAHL, and AJ and do better. and do not say there are not 4 year players still out there, watch the commits' over the last month and still more to come.. Where is MSU??? Get over getting the NHL draft types and build like Duluth and Minnesota State does.. MSU fans still try too hard to be elite and your not. look around how many Michigan kids are going to the other instate schools with PPG+ averages coming out of juniors. You talk USHL oh WOW, why was MSU not able to get a top 15 scorer in the NAHL or BCHL? Oh you are still waiting on the NTDP kids.. funny
    First, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that MSU could attract one NTDP player every, or at the very least, every other year given its relationships with and proximity to the Program.

    Second, I tend to disagree with your assessment of the NAHL: other than Goalies, I don’t see many players finishing their juniors careers at the NAHL level who go on to be impact players at the D1 level. Admittedly there are more exceptions at the BCHL and AJHL levels (Hirose and Makar, respectively, being some examples). But checking the rosters of your examples, UMD and the other MSU, the great majority of impact scorers come from the USHL. Point being, the USHL is the holy grail recruiting ground for D1 impact scorers and for anyone to think differently is unrealistic.


    As for the MSU NAHL age-out F recruit in question, he’s a 3.25 star with mediocre stats and should never have been committed by Cole.
    Last edited by FLHockeyMom; 05-22-2022, 08:36 PM.

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  • aallenpollreisz
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    Originally posted by Puckstopper467 View Post
    Just because a player does not play in the USHL really does not matter as that league caters more to the younger player with higher perception and there is the MSU fan base problem. Watch how many teams recruit from the BCHL, NAHL, and AJ and do better. and do not say there are not 4 year players still out there, watch the commits' over the last month and still more to come.. Where is MSU??? Get over getting the NHL draft types and build like Duluth and Minnesota State does.. MSU fans still try too hard to be elite and your not. look around how many Michigan kids are going to the other instate schools with PPG+ averages coming out of juniors. You talk USHL oh WOW, why was MSU not able to get a top 15 scorer in the NAHL or BCHL? Oh you are still waiting on the NTDP kids.. funny
    In modern-day college hockey, recruiting high-caliber kids from any junior league is a three or four-year process. Want that super-awesome kid from league X who tore it up this season? Well, unless you started to recruit that kid when he was 14 or 15, you're too late. Either that kid has already made up his mind, or the coaches who have already built relationships with him over the past three or four years are trying to close the deal.

    That's why any rebuild is a three or four-year process. Any new coach that was hired for 2022 probably isn't recruiting for 2022, he's recruiting for 2025 or 2026. That's the risk when you suck and fire someone. You are committing to starting from scratch. The fear of starting from scratch is why you get guys like Jim Culhane hanging around for a decade at Western, or why guys like Jamie Russell get eight years at Tech. That same fear is why a minority of MSU fans were fine with Cole getting one final year to try to turn it around when it looked like he wasn't going to get fired this offseason.

    MSU had gaping holes in its roster that needed to get filled immediately. When you're in that situation, you have two options: Portal, or the kids in juniors who essentially weren't recruited by anyone.
    Last edited by aallenpollreisz; 05-22-2022, 04:45 PM.

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