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  • #31
    Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

    1. Quinnipiac
    2. Harvard
    3. Clarkson
    4. Cornell
    5. Princeton
    6. RPI
    7. Yale
    8. Union
    9. Dartmouth
    10. Colgate
    11. St. Lawrence
    12. Brown

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    • #32
      Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

      1. Quinnipiac
      2. Harvard
      3. Cornell
      4. Yale
      5. Princeton
      6. RPI
      7. Union
      8. Clarkson
      9. Colgate
      10. SLU
      11. Dartmouth
      12. Brown

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      • #33
        Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

        Thanks lugnut for keeping score this year! I'm running the ECAC Pick'em contest if any of you want to enter

        1. Harvard
        2. Quinnipiac
        3. Clarkson
        4. Cornell
        5. Princeton
        6. Yale
        7. Union
        8. Colgate
        9. St. Lawrence
        10. Dartmouth
        11. RPI
        12. Brown
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        • #34
          Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

          1. Harvard
          2. Quinnipiac
          3. Clarkson
          4. Cornell
          5. Princeton
          6. St. Lawrence
          7. Yale
          8. Union
          9. RPI
          10. Colgate
          11. Dartmouth
          12. Brown
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          4 time ECAC Runner-Ups: 1964, 1987, 1991, 1999
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          • #35
            Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

            Originally posted by lugnut92 View Post
            I'm changing things ever so slightly with how scores will appear, though the mechanics are the same in the end. Rather than a simple square of the distance between your prediction and the actual standings, I'm going to report the Spearman's rank correlation coefficient between each participant's predictions and the real standings. This change is just because I am difficult (and if people really complain, I can report both metrics). In the end, all scores will range between 1 and -1 (rather than between 0 and 572), and the CLOSEST TO 1 WINS. You have until the puck drops on the first ECAC contests (RPI at Union/Brown at Yale; Friday, 27 October at 7 PM EDT) to get your picks in.

            Tie breakers are:

            Pick correctly the ECACHL Regular Season Champ.
            Have the most teams in the correct order of finish.
            Have the most top 6 teams in the correct order of finish.
            I will flip a coin.
            I had not heard of Spearman's rank correlation coefficient, and I just checked it isn't mentioned either in the book which we used when I took a Prob and Stat course as a senior or in the book which I used when I taught an Intro Stat course one summer when I was a grad TA. It probably wasn't invented yet.

            Anyway, the Wikipedia page which you linked mentioned that it should not be used if there are ties and you went to great length to eliminate ties. What terrible things would occur if one just used an average value, or would a weighted average in some position-dependent manner need to be used in order that a number outside of -1 to 1 do not occur?
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            • #36
              Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

              Originally posted by Ralph Baer View Post
              Anyway, the Wikipedia page which you linked mentioned that it should not be used if there are ties and you went to great length to eliminate ties. What terrible things would occur if one just used an average value, or would a weighted average in some position-dependent manner need to be used in order that a number outside of -1 to 1 do not occur?
              The tiebreakers listed are for ties between contestants, not for the data actually being compared. Luckily the ECAC provides a list of tiebreakers for that situation (though some of those tiebreakers are questionable). I don't think you would find anything horrifically wrong about using an average value (e.g., 6.5 for two teams tied for 6th), it just wouldn't be a true correlation coefficient. Further, you could use the (slightly more complicated) formula listed above the formula I'm using if there were ties.
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              • #37
                Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

                Originally posted by lugnut92 View Post
                The tiebreakers listed are for ties between contestants, not for the data actually being compared. Luckily the ECAC provides a list of tiebreakers for that situation (though some of those tiebreakers are questionable). I don't think you would find anything horrifically wrong about using an average value (e.g., 6.5 for two teams tied for 6th), it just wouldn't be a true correlation coefficient. Further, you could use the (slightly more complicated) formula listed above the formula I'm using if there were ties.
                Yes, that was my error. Anyway, thanks for the explanation.
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                • #38
                  Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

                  Here are the statistics through 2 days of entries (not including the Random Number and Mr. Last Year; n=25):
                  Code:
                  Team       |  Mean±SD   | Median(Range) |
                  -----------------------------------------
                  Harvard    |  1.80±1.80 |   1   ( 1-10) |
                  Quinnipiac |  2.40±1.04 |   2   ( 1- 4) |
                  Clarkson   |  3.84±2.44 |   3   ( 1-12) |
                  Cornell    |  3.84±1.21 |   4   ( 2- 7) |
                  Princeton  |  5.88±2.01 |   5   ( 3-12) |
                  Yale       |  6.80±1.38 |   7   ( 4-10) |
                  Union      |  6.92±1.98 |   7   ( 3-11) |
                  RPI        |  7.48±2.90 |   8   ( 1-12) |
                  SLU        |  8.64±2.04 |   9   ( 3-12) |
                  Dartmouth  |  9.48±2.22 |  10   ( 2-12) |
                  Colgate    | 10.00±1.73 |  10   ( 5-12) |
                  Brown      | 11.00±1.35 |  12   ( 7-12) |
                  Entries slowed down quite a bit yesterday, so I guess it's time to spam the team threads again.
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                  2013-2016 RPI Pick to Click – Back-to-Back-to-Back Runner-Up
                  2014-15, 2018-19 ECAC Pick the Standings – Last Place

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                  • #39
                    Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

                    Lugnut, thanks for picking this up; it's much appreciated!

                    1. Harvard
                    2. Quinnipiac
                    3. Clarkson
                    4. Cornell
                    5. Princeton
                    6. Yale
                    7. RPI
                    8. St. Lawrence
                    9. Dartmouth
                    10. Union
                    11. Brown
                    12. Colgate
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                    • #40
                      Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

                      1. Harvard
                      2. Quinnipiac
                      3. Cornell
                      4. Princeton
                      5. Clarkson
                      6. Yale
                      7. Union
                      8. RPI
                      9. St. Lawrence
                      10. Colgate
                      11. Brown
                      12. Dartmouth
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                      • #41
                        Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

                        1. Harvard
                        2. Quinnipiac
                        3. Cornell
                        4. Clarkson
                        5. Princeton
                        6. Union
                        7. St. Lawrence
                        8. Yale
                        9. Dartmouth
                        10. RPI
                        11. Colgate
                        12. Brown
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                        • #42
                          Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

                          1. Hahvahd
                          2. Quinnipiac
                          3. Clarkson
                          4. Yale
                          5. Cornell
                          6. SLU
                          7. Princeton
                          8. Union
                          9. Colgate
                          10. RPI
                          11. Dartmouth
                          12. Brown
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                          10 Time ECAC Regular Season Champs
                          5 Time ECAC Tournament Champs
                          21 NCAA Tournament Appearances

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                          ECAC Regular Season Champs - 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018
                          ECAC Tournament Champs - 2017, 2018
                          7 NCAA Tournament Appearances

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                          • #43
                            Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

                            Originally posted by LTsatch View Post
                            picks
                            I don't know if you care, but this is identical to the preseason Coaches poll entry.
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                            GO GO GO YOU RED RED RED!!! and I guess Yale?
                            🎶🎺🎺🎺 LET'S GO BLUES!

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                            2013-2016 RPI Pick to Click – Back-to-Back-to-Back Runner-Up
                            2014-15, 2018-19 ECAC Pick the Standings – Last Place

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                            • #44
                              Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

                              1. Harvard
                              2. Quinnipiac
                              3. Cornell
                              4. Clarkson
                              5. Princeton
                              6. SLU
                              7. Yale
                              8. Union
                              9. Dartmouth
                              10. RPI
                              11. Colgate
                              12. Brown
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                              2013, 2015, 2016, 2019

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                              2016

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                              2002, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2019

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                              2013, 2016

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                              • #45
                                Re: ECAC Pick the Standings 2017-18

                                Here are the statistics through ~3 days of entries (not including the Random Number and Mr. Last Year; n=30):
                                Code:
                                Team       |  Mean±SD   | Median(Range) |
                                -----------------------------------------
                                Harvard    |  1.67±1.67 |   1   ( 1-10) |
                                Quinnipiac |  2.33±0.96 |   2   ( 1- 4) |
                                Cornell    |  3.80±1.16 |   4   ( 2- 7) |
                                Clarkson   |  3.83±2.25 |   3   ( 1-12) |
                                Princeton  |  5.77±1.89 |   5   ( 3-12) |
                                Yale       |  6.70±1.39 |   7   ( 4-10) |
                                Union      |  7.07±1.91 |   7   ( 3-11) |
                                RPI        |  7.73±2.75 |   8.5 ( 1-12) |
                                SLU        |  8.40±1.99 |   8.5 ( 3-12) |
                                Dartmouth  |  9.57±2.10 |   9.5 ( 2-12) |
                                Colgate    | 10.10±1.65 |  10.5 ( 5-12) |
                                Brown      | 11.10±1.27 |  12   ( 7-12) |
                                No one is really rocking the boat at this point. The only real shifts happening are the constant flip-flopping of Cornell and Clarkson at #3 and 4. That said, if not for the delusionally homeriffic RPI Standings Board entry, Clarkson would have a pretty clear lead over Cornell.
                                RPI Pep Band
                                GO GO GO YOU RED RED RED!!! and I guess Yale?
                                🎶🎺🎺🎺 LET'S GO BLUES!

                                2017-2018 RPI Pick to Click – Champion
                                2013-2016 RPI Pick to Click – Back-to-Back-to-Back Runner-Up
                                2014-15, 2018-19 ECAC Pick the Standings – Last Place

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