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  • #61
    Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

    Originally posted by Alton View Post
    Actually, no. NCAA baseball is 19 weeks from the first permitted day of play to the last possible day of the CWS. NCAA hockey is 28 weeks from the first permitted day of play to the end of the Frozen Four.
    . . . and in addition to the CWS, they play a 55-game regular season schedule.

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    • #62
      Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

      Originally posted by du78 View Post
      Denver had 1 bye in November and 1 in January, they also did not play for 2 weekends in December. They played 4 weekends in October including a single exhbition game the first weekend. Dump the exhibition game and give them one weekend off at Christmas with a 10-day break. That is 4 less days than they got this year for Christmas break before returning to practice. They would be back on the ice with 2 to 3 days practice before New Year's weekend games. By doing this the season could be started the first weekend of November and still play the same amount of games.
      Precisely.

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      • #63
        Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

        Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
        -Consolidate a massive sponsorship deal for all 58 D-I schools from competing hockey equipment makers. For example, I bet Nike would love to supply all 58 NCAA d-I jerseys under one contract. It would save a lot of money and would probably make money for the NCAA and the schools.
        Originally posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
        I don't they'll save much on jerseys. And I highly doubt other equipment makers would like seeing schools they have contracts with having their teams decked out in Nike for example. BC has a new contract with UnderArmour. Notre Dame has Adidas. I think Wisconsin also had Adidas? Either way, this would create big problems. And the jerseys are still customized so you're probably not going to save on costs among a few other reasons why this isn't that helpful of an idea.
        It might work to get together a Packaged Deal for the smaller schools to all get supplied by just one supplier, and I would probably target another supplier besides Nike there. Somebody that would apreatace the bump in revenue they would get if a team like AIC ever got hot and made a Frozen Four Run. AIC making a run would be just a drop in a bucket for Nike.

        Also with this deal, It would have to be able to get the rest of the schools athletic department under their brand as well. It wouldn't look good if Brand X is making a delivery of Ferris State Jersey's that they made to the FSU book store only to look over and see some FSU Football jersey's made by Nike or Reebok.
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        • #64
          Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

          Originally posted by Red Cloud View Post
          You took what I said and went off on some tangent. I didn't say anything about those schools and conferences needing to "take in" anybody, those programs didn't fold because they didn't have a home, they folded because they wanted to. Well, Wayne State didn't have a home, but I think they quit too early. Whatever.
          No, your point was, as I interpreted it, certain anchor institutions have ignored/been disinterested in the warning signs of contraction, REGARDLESS of the cause, thus affecting the current 16 team NCAA tourney field. I don't think that is the case as much as the NCAA ignoring these warning signs. They are the responsible party in this. But like Alton pointed out, many of the member institutions represented on these cabinets do not have a stake in college hockey. You astutely pointed out that Kelly should step in to that issue. That is all I was saying. And yes, I find it disingenuous when people point fingers at individual institutions and suggest that they are at fault for the crumbling of the college hockey foundation.

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          • #65
            Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

            Originally posted by Alton View Post
            Actually, no. NCAA baseball is 19 weeks from the first permitted day of play to the last possible day of the CWS. . . . .
            Don't most schools (the baseball powerhouses anyway) have an NCAA-sanctioned fall practice season also, similar to spring football?

            If so, that's another difference between hockey (and other winter sports) and spring/fall sports.

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            • #66
              Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

              Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
              Precisely.
              I just went back and looked at the 1977-78 DU schedule. DU played 36 regular season games with the first game being on October 28th and the last being on March 4th. They played every weekend except for one bye the weekend of December 9th and 10th. The team had off from Dec 18th through 26th with practice beginning on the 27th for games on the 29th and 30th. The WCHA playoffs started March 10-11 with the second and final round 3 days later on March 14-15. WCHA Playoffs were 8 teams with the top 4 hosting the first round and the second round was hosted by the two remaining hghest seeds. The two WCHA playoff winners advanced to the NCAA tourney that had 6 teams. The four lowest seeds played on March 18th and 19th with the two winners advancing to the semi-finals. The two top seeds got byes to the NCAA semi-finals that were held on March 23 and 24th. The finals and 3rd place game were played on March 25th. Essentially the entire season including playoffs was played in 5 months.
              Last edited by du78; 01-27-2010, 02:49 PM.
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              • #67
                Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

                Originally posted by CLS View Post
                Don't most schools (the baseball powerhouses anyway) have an NCAA-sanctioned fall practice season also, similar to spring football?

                If so, that's another difference between hockey (and other winter sports) and spring/fall sports.
                What I worry about is that the NCAA has already shown a willingness to cut or disadvantage the other sport that competes with a professional development system. If they don't care about LSU or Texas possibly losing players to AA ball, they certainly aren't going to pay much attention to North Dakota or BU losing players to the CHL.

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                • #68
                  Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

                  Originally posted by kdilks View Post


                  Excluding the two weeks in December that typically coincide with finals and Christmas (and will thus almost assuredly never have games), many teams only have one bye week.
                  Michigan and the CCHA have less bye weeks because their conference tournament is longer...
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                  • #69
                    Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

                    Originally posted by du78 View Post
                    I just went back and looked at the 1977-78 DU schedule. DU played 36 regular season games with the first game being on October 28th and the last being on March 4th. They played every weekend except for one bye the weekend of December 9th and 10th. The team had off from Dec 18th through 26th with practice beginning on the 27th for games on the 29th and 30th. The WCHA playoffs started March 10-11 with the second and final round 3 days later on March 14-15. WCHA Playoffs were 8 teams with the top 4 hosting the first round and the second round was hosted by the two remaining hghest seeds. The two WCHA playoff winners advanced to the NCAA tourney that had 6 teams. The four lowest seeds played on March 18th and 19th with the two winners advancing to the semi-finals. The two top seeds got byes to the NCAA semi-finals that were held on March 23 and 24th. The finals and 3rd place game were played on March 25th. Essentially the entire season including playoffs was played in 5 months.
                    Yeah, but see, things were different then. Those were 26-year-old Canadians.
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                    • #70
                      Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

                      Originally posted by Runninwiththedogs View Post
                      Yeah, but see, things were different then. Those were 26-year-old Canadians.
                      {sigh}

                      Actually there were a number of Americans on that team including several from Minnesota. Just off of the top of my head Woods, Sandbeck, Falcone, Roehl (Michigan) and Pazzelli come to mind.
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                      • #71
                        Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

                        Originally posted by Puck Swami View Post
                        -Consolidate a massive sponsorship deal for all 58 D-I schools from competing hockey equipment makers. For example, I bet Nike would love to supply all 58 NCAA d-I jerseys under one contract. It would save a lot of money and would probably make money for the NCAA and the schools.
                        I agree with everything you said, except this point. The majority of sponsorship deals in college athletics is made on an individual basis between the school and the specific company (Nike, Adidas, UnderAmour, etc...). The vast majority of these contracts are also athletic department wide. Therefore, one maker supplies an entire athletic department. Having one sponsorship deal would create numerous legal issues in regards to the current sponsorship contracts in place with individual schools. I doubt the NCAA wants to open up this can of worms, which would remain in court for years to come.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

                          Originally posted by wolverine318 View Post
                          I agree with everything you said, except this point. The majority of sponsorship deals in college athletics is made on an individual basis between the school and the specific company (Nike, Adidas, UnderAmour, etc...). The vast majority of these contracts are also athletic department wide. Therefore, one maker supplies an entire athletic department. Having one sponsorship deal would create numerous legal issues in regards to the current sponsorship contracts in place with individual schools. I doubt the NCAA wants to open up this can of worms, which would remain in court for years to come.
                          I am aware of this, and addressed a potential solution in post #47.

                          Existing athletic dept. contracts would be honored until they expire.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

                            Originally posted by streaker View Post
                            No, your point was, as I interpreted it, certain anchor institutions have ignored/been disinterested in the warning signs of contraction, REGARDLESS of the cause, thus affecting the current 16 team NCAA tourney field.
                            Yeah, no.

                            But thank you for trying to tell me what my point was.
                            Last edited by Red Cloud; 01-27-2010, 10:18 PM.
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                            • #74
                              Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

                              Originally posted by TimU View Post
                              . . . and in addition to the CWS, they play a 55-game regular season schedule.
                              Hockey should start playing doubleheaders.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Look out, college hockey: The NCAA has noticed us again.

                                Originally posted by Farce Poobah View Post
                                Hockey should start playing doubleheaders.
                                That makes me tired just thinking about that.
                                bueller: Why is the sunset good? Why are boobs good? Why does Positrack work? Why does Ferris lose on the road and play dead at home?

                                It just happens.


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                                leswp1: you need the Monster to fix you

                                Life is active, find Balance!massage therapy Ann Arbor

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