UVM 2017/18: A Gutt Check

[pokecheckguy2]

Re: UVM 2017/18: A Gutt Check

also I want to point that in that video Sneddon takes a shot at 'some blogger" which i def know he is talking about you Lisa - keep the good fight please and be the true voice we need in print!! you have support

[pokecheckguy2]

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of course the departures start early!! Bowen is "gone to go pro" im sure all by his design another one Sneddon ran off! https://twitter.com/erincofiell/stat...30328768737282
Also what a jerk he comes off as in this video saying the real fans wouldnt question him basically https://twitter.com/JackMyNBC5/statu...97469513314309
what a unbelieveable joke this entire once proud prgram has become

[FireSneddon]

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Sneddon has to have dirt on the AD, you would think he was the best coach in the NCAA by how is treated. Can the Burlington Free Press do some real journalism for once and find out what it is?

[UVM Cat in Texas]

lengthy and detailed communication has been to the president and trustees. They do not want to hear and defended every action Sneddon has made.

Are you saying you had a lengthy and detailed communication with the president and trustees?

[catmandoo]

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Not going to games punishes the athletes. If you think it is their fault (which I don't think is the case) then why hurt the players, it will also hurt recruiting. Do you want to be part of the solution or problem. if you are dissatisfied then take your issues to the AD or above, including the trustees, but don't make it worse for the players, they may need us now more than ever.

What I have generally not been seeing is that extra hustle to beat the other player to the puck and 60 minutes of play; which is what often makes the difference. I don't know if that is all coaching, team leadership, or what causes it. Sometimes one or two players can bring a team down, just like one or two employees can to that. This team has talent, it just needs that extra desire. We also have a young defense, so I'm not surprised with the GAA, but am surprised we aren't scoring more.

I will continue to support the team, because I think that is what a true fan does - they are there for you no matter what.

lengthy and detailed communication has been to the president and trustees. They do not want to hear and defended every action Sneddon has made.

[pokecheckguy2]

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It tells me we are complacent and not motivated to improve.

There is very little pressure for them to improve, other than a few comments on this message board. As stated above, there are zero tough questions coming from the mainstream media....none. Reporting on the team is factual only...never any speculation about the future of the program, what it takes to do better, why they failed, etc. Our ADs seem to have always had endless patience, other ADs have next to none. It's small market thinking with small market results. North Dakota doesn't think small with their hockey program...why do we?

There is this feeling at UVM with sports that every tiny piece of athletic success is a joyous gift to be enjoyed but never expected...have fun when we win a few games because we can never expect to keep it up. Oh, we are on a good run now...lets all meet the team at the bus coming home and cheer, because we know it is unlikely to happen again soon. It was like that when I was there 30 years ago and it has been like that ever since. As long as that continues to be the lens that we look at our sports teams through, this will never change.

I live in Boston now, and I can tell you that coaches for these schools down here win or they get fired. Generally they win, but when it doesn't happen then adios.

The lack of aspiration for success is just demoralizing as an alum. UVM as an institution has exactly two (men's) sports you can follow with reasonable ease if you don't live in Vermont...basketball and hockey. If you don't try your best to be good at those, you are just alienating your alumni base. I can guarantee that any and all money spent on those two sports would come back twofold + in donations...sports are the only thing that really keep alumni attached to and thinking about their alma mater...it has been proven time and again at schools nationwide and UVM just doesn't get it.

wow! I knew it was not good because the programs that past uvm but being second worst team since that first run and you get to keep your job what a joke!! what does that tell me? tells me Sneddon SUCKS!!
I agree with the whole thing that UVM just acts like all of us are lucky to even have the privilage to watch their sports teams and should never question no matter what - not anymore you made the decision to join the big boys starting with Bob Corran and now you have to live up to the expectation if you didnt want that should stay in ECAC where things were just average. this is why i dont like When people say UVM is what it is because that's not true anymore! they wanted this move and that comes with the pressure but they are expert at making people never pressure them!
The media said my part about bootlicker Ted who i lost all respect for in recent year and the other folks from the TV that do it lot of them probably dont even know the rules of hockey or know game because they coming from places where hockey isnt even on the radar so they have no prospective being pretty young and stuff but also they ALL are scared to bite the hand that feeds! no accountability leads to bad people keeping jobs and it is exacly what we have here! but also Sneddon is the master of making people think hes great which is why he still has a job and nobody wants to question him "he's such a nice guy! -- well you can be a nice guy and a guy who shouldnt be coaching a division 1 college hockey team in one of the best leagues in USA in a sport with only 59 teams where you are dead last and the data proves you are not going to make it any better when despite what all say UVM is FULLY capable of winning a national title with the right coach and mentality!!

EMPTY THE GUTT
FIRE SNEDDON
FIRE SCHULMAN

[catmandoo]

Re: UVM 2017/18: A Gutt Check

Thanks!! Those are very telling numbers...

Those numbers are very telling because it shows the effects of Sneddons recruiting, turnover, lack of development and general lack of respect as a a coach. His first five years would have been with players that were all recruited and all committed before he was on the scene. This makes it very clear but not shcoking. This extension is classic situation of Sneddon's ability to manage up and not down. This 100% will come back to haunt this ignorant AD who clearly didn't do any digging below the surface before wasting time and money. Wow. I am shocked and really truly feel for these players.

[GreenCat]

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I crunched some numbers that show the drop off between UVM and Sneddon's first 5 years in Hockey East, to the last 7.5 (full seasons + games through today). They are simple numbers, but I think they are telling. I only included teams that were consistently in Hockey East from the first year, to now, so these number don't really reflect the times the league was bigger with the additions of UConn and Notre Dame's time spent in the league. But again I think the numbers certainly paint a picture.

From the 2005-06 season when UVM joined HEA to the 2009-10 season UVM was 5th in overall win percentage, and 4th in HEA win percentage. They also were 4th in wins per season, and had an average league position of 5th place.

HEA 2005-2010 Overall Winning Percentage
BC .661
BU .643
UNH .623
Maine .530
Vermont .524
UMass Amherst .472
UMass Lowell .465
Northeastern .461
Providence .386
Merrimack .321

HEA 2005-2010 League Winning Percentage
UNH .677
BU .632
BC .607
Vermont .537
Maine .485
UMass Amherst .470
Northeastern .469
UMass Lowell .459
Providence .392
Merrimack .270

HEA 2005-2010 Average Wins Per Season
BC 25.4
BU 23.6
UNH 21.8
Vermont 18.4
Northeastern 17.4
Maine 16.2
UMass Amherst 16.2
UMass Lowell 15.4
Providence 11.6
Merrimack 9.2

From the 2010-11 season to present, among the 10 teams in the league at the start of UVM's admittance into HEA, UVM is 9th in overall win percentage, 9th in overall HEA win percentage, and 9th in wins per season, winning 4.3 less games per season.

HEA 2011-Present Overall Winning Percentage
BC .682
UMass Lowell .611
Providence .585
BU .577
Northeastern .510
UNH .508
Merrimack .484
Maine .464
Vermont .432
UMass Amherst .320

HEA 2011-Present League Winning Percentage
BC .716
BU .602
UMass Lowell .560
Providence .553
UNH .505
Northeastern .477
Merrimack .455
Maine .454
Vermont .373
UMass Amherst .282

HEA 2011-present Average Wins Per Season
BC 25.7
UMass Lowell 22.4
BU 20.5
Providence 17.0
UNH 17.4
Northeastern 16.3
Merrimack 15.4
Maine 14.8
Vermont 14.1
UMass Amherst 9.6

In that time frame, 6 of the 10 teams have changed coaches. 5 of those 6 schools that have changed coaches have surpassed or stayed above Vermont in each of these categories since making the changes.

So what does this tell you?

Thanks!! Those are very telling numbers...

[Catamount93]

Re: UVM 2017/18: A Gutt Check

It tells me we are complacent and not motivated to improve.

There is very little pressure for them to improve, other than a few comments on this message board. As stated above, there are zero tough questions coming from the mainstream media....none. Reporting on the team is factual only...never any speculation about the future of the program, what it takes to do better, why they failed, etc. Our ADs seem to have always had endless patience, other ADs have next to none. It's small market thinking with small market results. North Dakota doesn't think small with their hockey program...why do we?

There is this feeling at UVM with sports that every tiny piece of athletic success is a joyous gift to be enjoyed but never expected...have fun when we win a few games because we can never expect to keep it up. Oh, we are on a good run now...lets all meet the team at the bus coming home and cheer, because we know it is unlikely to happen again soon. It was like that when I was there 30 years ago and it has been like that ever since. As long as that continues to be the lens that we look at our sports teams through, this will never change.

I live in Boston now, and I can tell you that coaches for these schools down here win or they get fired. Generally they win, but when it doesn't happen then adios.

The lack of aspiration for success is just demoralizing as an alum. UVM as an institution has exactly two (men's) sports you can follow with reasonable ease if you don't live in Vermont...basketball and hockey. If you don't try your best to be good at those, you are just alienating your alumni base. I can guarantee that any and all money spent on those two sports would come back twofold + in donations...sports are the only thing that really keep alumni attached to and thinking about their alma mater...it has been proven time and again at schools nationwide and UVM just doesn't get it.

[Charlie Catamount]

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I crunched some numbers that show the drop off between UVM and Sneddon's first 5 years in Hockey East, to the last 7.5 (full seasons + games through today). They are simple numbers, but I think they are telling. I only included teams that were consistently in Hockey East from the first year, to now, so these number don't really reflect the times the league was bigger with the additions of UConn and Notre Dame's time spent in the league. But again I think the numbers certainly paint a picture.

From the 2005-06 season when UVM joined HEA to the 2009-10 season UVM was 5th in overall win percentage, and 4th in HEA win percentage. They also were 4th in wins per season, and had an average league position of 5th place.

HEA 2005-2010 Overall Winning Percentage
BC .661
BU .643
UNH .623
Maine .530
Vermont .524
UMass Amherst .472
UMass Lowell .465
Northeastern .461
Providence .386
Merrimack .321

HEA 2005-2010 League Winning Percentage
UNH .677
BU .632
BC .607
Vermont .537
Maine .485
UMass Amherst .470
Northeastern .469
UMass Lowell .459
Providence .392
Merrimack .270

HEA 2005-2010 Average Wins Per Season
BC 25.4
BU 23.6
UNH 21.8
Vermont 18.4
Northeastern 17.4
Maine 16.2
UMass Amherst 16.2
UMass Lowell 15.4
Providence 11.6
Merrimack 9.2

From the 2010-11 season to present, among the 10 teams in the league at the start of UVM's admittance into HEA, UVM is 9th in overall win percentage, 9th in overall HEA win percentage, and 9th in wins per season, winning 4.3 less games per season.

HEA 2011-Present Overall Winning Percentage
BC .682
UMass Lowell .611
Providence .585
BU .577
Northeastern .510
UNH .508
Merrimack .484
Maine .464
Vermont .432
UMass Amherst .320

HEA 2011-Present League Winning Percentage
BC .716
BU .602
UMass Lowell .560
Providence .553
UNH .505
Northeastern .477
Merrimack .455
Maine .454
Vermont .373
UMass Amherst .282

HEA 2011-present Average Wins Per Season
BC 25.7
UMass Lowell 22.4
BU 20.5
Providence 17.0
UNH 17.4
Northeastern 16.3
Merrimack 15.4
Maine 14.8
Vermont 14.1
UMass Amherst 9.6

In that time frame, 6 of the 10 teams have changed coaches. 5 of those 6 schools that have changed coaches have surpassed or stayed above Vermont in each of these categories since making the changes.

So what does this tell you?

[jcarter7669]

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Frankly talking to the AD doesn't seem to do much good. So that's not a viable stance. As for the players, I truly appreciate their effort but sometimes there is collateral damage. Sometimes you have to blow something up before you can rebuild it. Sneddon and Schulman should have thought about the players. Don't pin it on the fans because they don't want to watch a shoddy product.

The players should boycott a few games... the season is over anyways. Line up for the National Anthem and then refuse to play.

[TovarishchLisa]

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agree! EMPTY THE GUTT! I'm no longer attending games after this and my tickets will not be renewed! enough is a enough! I hope many others do same but I feel truth of matter is too many people in the upper tax brackets use them as a way to be seen like they LA Laker fans or something or its no issue to them money wise and they just dont care about the crappy product on the ice so long as they get their free meal in the Bostwick room
Im not much of a social media guy but someone did send me links to Ted Ryans tweets yesterday about the contract
for one he sound super defensive about it no surprise there probably didnt like people telling him that the move was stupid but not his fault but hes boys with the coach and wont ever say he should be let go and second to me this is still fishy because if you agree on it why are you not saying it and then when it goes bad now use it as the vote of confidence and a big screw you to fans? seems to me they didnt want people to know and the pressure came down to both the AD and coach!
what a debacle this team is the laughingstock of college hockey great job Schulman thought you care about your schools reputation

Honestly this is the first move Schulman's made that I 100% disagree with (maybe i'll change my mind if the lax teams don't improve or WBB still struggles once Day gets more of his recruits in). Problem is hockey is one of our major programs so that's a biiiiig error.

But this just speaks volumes about the lack of accountability here. Go back to media day, it's nothing but cliches and coachspeak, no media members holding the feet to the fire and asking good questions. And I'll accept that I'm partially to blame for this, as I was there that day (I'm still young so I'll chalk it up as a learning experience). And with this extension it seems there's no accountability from the athletic department to the coach. And from watching the games there's no accountability from the players to the coach or vice versa. One of the few results we did get this year (the draw with Brown) was with our captain in the press box, ffs!

And last night we get a commitment from an '03...why are they STILL OUT recruiting when we have big time problems NOW?

I'm still going to go to games, mostly because student admission is free. But I'm probably gonna spend more of my Gutt time at the women's games.

[TeddySmooth]

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What I have generally not been seeing is that extra hustle to beat the other player to the puck and 60 minutes of play; which is what often makes the difference. I don't know if that is all coaching, team leadership, or what causes it. Sometimes one or two players can bring a team down, just like one or two employees can to that. This team has talent, it just needs that extra desire. We also have a young defense, so I'm not surprised with the GAA, but am surprised we aren't scoring more.

This is what I notice more than anything. They don't win their share of puck battles. It's a 50/50 puck that they win maybe 20% of the time and that might be generous. If they even get a scoring chance, they're one and done. When they've been clicking offensively in recent years, it's because they're winning the battles and forcing turnovers on their offensive blue line.

[VTALUM]

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I think the constant reshuffling of the lines contributes to the on ice disorganization/confusion.

Absolutely agree.

[j24vt]

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I think the constant reshuffling of the lines contributes to the on ice disorganization/confusion.