UVM 2017/18: A Gutt Check

[VTALUM]

Not going to games punishes the athletes. If you think it is their fault (which I don't think is the case) then why hurt the players, it will also hurt recruiting. Do you want to be part of the solution or problem. if you are dissatisfied then take your issues to the AD or above, including the trustees, but don't make it worse for the players, they may need us now more than ever.

What I have generally not been seeing is that extra hustle to beat the other player to the puck and 60 minutes of play; which is what often makes the difference. I don't know if that is all coaching, team leadership, or what causes it. Sometimes one or two players can bring a team down, just like one or two employees can to that. This team has talent, it just needs that extra desire. We also have a young defense, so I'm not surprised with the GAA, but am surprised we aren't scoring more.

I will continue to support the team, because I think that is what a true fan does - they are there for you no matter what.

I won’t be attending because it’s not enjoyable to watch talented players work their asses off with no results. The Lowell color commentator mentioned a few times how disorganized and confused VT looked. It’s analogous to a marathon runner being faster and worker harder than everyone else in the race...only he’s on the wrong course. He loses every time.

[Vermont Ref]

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Not going to games punishes the athletes. If you think it is their fault (which I don't think is the case) then why hurt the players, it will also hurt recruiting. Do you want to be part of the solution or problem. if you are dissatisfied then take your issues to the AD or above, including the trustees, but don't make it worse for the players, they may need us now more than ever.

What I have generally not been seeing is that extra hustle to beat the other player to the puck and 60 minutes of play; which is what often makes the difference. I don't know if that is all coaching, team leadership, or what causes it. Sometimes one or two players can bring a team down, just like one or two employees can to that. This team has talent, it just needs that extra desire. We also have a young defense, so I'm not surprised with the GAA, but am surprised we aren't scoring more.

I will continue to support the team, because I think that is what a true fan does - they are there for you no matter what.

I think it's time to boycot the hockey games. If attendence drops to a few hundred a game the Admin will be forced to do something. Fire Schulman and Sneddon, which is too bad. I liked Schulman, he coached my daughters when they were 4 years old. Every Sat at the rink helping young children learn the game. But as much as I respect him for devoting that time, as Athletic Director this is entirely unacceptable.

Speak with the pocket books. If everyone called and said they wanted to cancel their season tickets and stopped going thing will change, as long as people are willing to cough up for tickets things will continue as they are. Don't worry, you won't have to wait to get season tickets, they are readily available already. That decade long waiting list went away 2 years ago. heck now they have to advertise the games...

[Catamount93]

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Through all the ups and downs over 30 years of following UVM hockey on a game by game basis, this is the first time my enthusiasm for the team has really been challenged. Even the hazing scandals didn't feel like this for me.

Hoping it passes and I feel the excitement again.

[pokecheckguy2]

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I think it's time to boycot the hockey games. If attendence drops to a few hundred a game the Admin will be forced to do something. Fire Schulman and Sneddon, which is too bad. I liked Schulman, he coached my daughters when they were 4 years old. Every Sat at the rink helping young children learn the game. But as much as I respect him for devoting that time, as Athletic Director this is entirely unacceptable.

Speak with the pocket books. If everyone called and said they wanted to cancel their season tickets and stopped going thing will change, as long as people are willing to cough up for tickets things will continue as they are. Don't worry, you won't have to wait to get season tickets, they are readily available already. That decade long waiting list went away 2 years ago. heck now they have to advertise the games...

agree! EMPTY THE GUTT! I'm no longer attending games after this and my tickets will not be renewed! enough is a enough! I hope many others do same but I feel truth of matter is too many people in the upper tax brackets use them as a way to be seen like they LA Laker fans or something or its no issue to them money wise and they just dont care about the crappy product on the ice so long as they get their free meal in the Bostwick room
Im not much of a social media guy but someone did send me links to Ted Ryans tweets yesterday about the contract
for one he sound super defensive about it no surprise there probably didnt like people telling him that the move was stupid but not his fault but hes boys with the coach and wont ever say he should be let go and second to me this is still fishy because if you agree on it why are you not saying it and then when it goes bad now use it as the vote of confidence and a big screw you to fans? seems to me they didnt want people to know and the pressure came down to both the AD and coach!
what a debacle this team is the laughingstock of college hockey great job Schulman thought you care about your schools reputation

[jcarter7669]

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I think it's time to boycot the hockey games. If attendence drops to a few hundred a game the Admin will be forced to do something. Fire Schulman and Sneddon, which is too bad. I liked Schulman, he coached my daughters when they were 4 years old. Every Sat at the rink helping young children learn the game. But as much as I respect him for devoting that time, as Athletic Director this is entirely unacceptable.

Speak with the pocket books. If everyone called and said they wanted to cancel their season tickets and stopped going thing will change, as long as people are willing to cough up for tickets things will continue as they are. Don't worry, you won't have to wait to get season tickets, they are readily available already. That decade long waiting list went away 2 years ago. heck now they have to advertise the games...

[GreenCat]

I think it's awesome that actual players who have moved on seemingly have as much interest in this as we do.

The amount of effort these guys put in to make it to this level and to play at this level is tremendous and that is why they are and should be passionate about this issue. The sh1te show going on should be a huge red flag for Schulman.

[j24vt]

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We will still be going to the games. Get to see some good hockey even if it is not on the UVM side The kids we took to the Harvard games are now excited to see Donato play in the Olympics.

[TovarishchLisa]

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I think it's awesome that actual players who have moved on seemingly have as much interest in this as we do.

I think it's awesome that they still care. A lot of fans don't seem to.

I'd be shocked if the student section is half full for Lowell when we're back from break tbh, especially with basketball having home games.

[UVM Cat in Texas]

In the replies to Shaw's original tweet:

CM: "Do you think NCAA rules on practice have an impact on skill development as a whole? I do. Only so many hours your “allowed” to work with players. Lots of turnover also hurts teams I know this because I was apart of it at one point. Top 10 team to winning maybe 6 games followin yr"

BS: "The practice time allotment makes sense. Still think you need to make more time for it at a developmental level. Turnover is also a factor, but I’ve played with most of these guys, this team is better than 4 wins"

Then Anthony DeCenzo chimes in: "UVM is 59th/60 rn and handing out a mid season extension.. it’s like the Browns keeping Hue Jackson after going 0-16 and winning 1 in the last 2 years. I think @shawsy28 [Shaw's twitter] is just saying that part doesn’t add up. And tough to argue practice time when every team gets the same amt"

CM: "I am also saying turnover has a big roll in this, you know that from experience too what was it under 10 wins one yr to an NCAA birth and always in top 20 our sr year. If you arnt a bc or bu and gettin fresh studs tough to win early and consistently. Browns do stink tho"

BS: "We had 12 frosh your senior year when we made tourney, every team deals with turnover in school"

CM: "How many played a consistent roll 5? Look back at how many upperclassman there were on that team with experience on how you have to win when only playing two nights a week back to back"


BS: "There are upperclassmen on this team who have been to the garden and have plenty of wins too. Problem is frosh come in and get big minutes before they are ready and the guys who are battle tested are in the stands afraid to make mistakes. Causes friction"

AD: "High turnover is just the nature of college sports. Winning consistently year in and year out is what your paying for in a coach. More so than any level cuz it’s the only constant in a program unlike pros where you can lock down a superstar for a decade +"

CM: "But that’s my exact point, tough to win with young teams (because of all the turnover) if you aren’t getting the freshman studs like the BCs or BUs of the college world, when you look and see successful teams more times than not they are older"

BS: "Recipe for our tourney team. Veterans while acclimating a couple young guys at a time. It’s changed, too many vets in the stands watching the freshman go through the growing pains and then having to battle back in the second half when you’re in a hole"

CM: "I get what your saying but at a certain point if the production isn’t there you have to begin a new chapter, I don’t know how the season or roster looked at the beginning of the season, just obviously results haven’t been there. And I don’t know the full dynamics of this team as well as you do but when you are a 4 win team don’t you play the younger guys at a certain point to try and get them that experience for the upcoming season. So you don’t go through the growing pains for another full year."

I think it's awesome that actual players who have moved on seemingly have as much interest in this as we do.

[TovarishchLisa]

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What’s the argument? I’m Twitter-ignorant!

In the replies to Shaw's original tweet:

CM: "Do you think NCAA rules on practice have an impact on skill development as a whole? I do. Only so many hours your “allowed” to work with players. Lots of turnover also hurts teams I know this because I was apart of it at one point. Top 10 team to winning maybe 6 games followin yr"

BS: "The practice time allotment makes sense. Still think you need to make more time for it at a developmental level. Turnover is also a factor, but I’ve played with most of these guys, this team is better than 4 wins"

Then Anthony DeCenzo chimes in: "UVM is 59th/60 rn and handing out a mid season extension.. it’s like the Browns keeping Hue Jackson after going 0-16 and winning 1 in the last 2 years. I think @shawsy28 [Shaw's twitter] is just saying that part doesn’t add up. And tough to argue practice time when every team gets the same amt"

CM: "I am also saying turnover has a big roll in this, you know that from experience too what was it under 10 wins one yr to an NCAA birth and always in top 20 our sr year. If you arnt a bc or bu and gettin fresh studs tough to win early and consistently. Browns do stink tho"

BS: "We had 12 frosh your senior year when we made tourney, every team deals with turnover in school"

CM: "How many played a consistent roll 5? Look back at how many upperclassman there were on that team with experience on how you have to win when only playing two nights a week back to back"


BS: "There are upperclassmen on this team who have been to the garden and have plenty of wins too. Problem is frosh come in and get big minutes before they are ready and the guys who are battle tested are in the stands afraid to make mistakes. Causes friction"

AD: "High turnover is just the nature of college sports. Winning consistently year in and year out is what your paying for in a coach. More so than any level cuz it’s the only constant in a program unlike pros where you can lock down a superstar for a decade +"

CM: "But that’s my exact point, tough to win with young teams (because of all the turnover) if you aren’t getting the freshman studs like the BCs or BUs of the college world, when you look and see successful teams more times than not they are older"

BS: "Recipe for our tourney team. Veterans while acclimating a couple young guys at a time. It’s changed, too many vets in the stands watching the freshman go through the growing pains and then having to battle back in the second half when you’re in a hole"

CM: "I get what your saying but at a certain point if the production isn’t there you have to begin a new chapter, I don’t know how the season or roster looked at the beginning of the season, just obviously results haven’t been there. And I don’t know the full dynamics of this team as well as you do but when you are a 4 win team don’t you play the younger guys at a certain point to try and get them that experience for the upcoming season. So you don’t go through the growing pains for another full year."

[UVM Cat in Texas]

Shaw and Chris McCarthy are currently arguing on Twitter about this

And DeCenzo. Thanks for the heads up, it's interesting! DeCenzo and Shaw saying all the same things we have -- too many experienced players sitting and young rookies taking their lumps on the ice to the detriment of the team.

[VTALUM]

Shaw and Chris McCarthy are currently arguing on Twitter about this

What’s the argument? I’m Twitter-ignorant!

[TovarishchLisa]

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Shaw and Chris McCarthy are currently arguing on Twitter about this

[TovarishchLisa]

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I think we have all talked about the “running off” of players. It happens every year - I can point to minimum of 2 (and usually 3) every year for the last 11.

I came to like Bowen on this team last year; thought he was the “go to guy” in the playoffs. Then what happens, the final game against BC in the playoffs - he sits!!!! He was our key scorer at that point. I assumed he may have gotten hurt or did something wrong. NOT!

Now this year, Bowen barely plays. Bowen, Blanleil, and Best (all upper class) have less total number of games (19) then UVM has played in total as a team this season. How do these guys sit so much???? Blanleil is an Assistant; was he not chosen for this role by his team as a leader? He has 1/3 the games he played last season. Best in 3 games (I’m told he is NOT hurt) has 1 goal. I mean I’m all for playing the freshmen like Misley (18 games) to get them ice, but if we have player that has experience and can score - versus 18 games without hitting the twine - what is going on???

The answer: It is Sneddon’s way of “Running Players” off...Blanleil is a Sr - so he will be gone. Bowen and Best are Juniors, but the handwriting on the wall - I bet will lose them. If rumors about Colton and his displeasure are true - he’ll leave of his own accord. All we need to do is lose Lekkas.

Thanks Schulman. I concur with the new push:

#FIRESCHULMAN
#FIRESNEDDON
#SAVEUVMHOCKEY


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Blanleil had some injuries, but there's no excuse for the others tbh

[Play$Maker]

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didnt watch or listen to a second of the game because thats my goal but what an embarrassment - so good Brady Shaw spoke his mind because he is 100 % right!! and not like he wouldnt know not only was he a good player who Sneddon messed up kids dad is a NHL player and coach! very brave for him to come forward and i hope he lets other former players feel the same way because they wore the jersey with pride and many of them stay at UVM 4 years because they love beautiful Burlington and all the scool and town have to offer in spite of their crapbag hockey coach! i bet you many of the players Sneddon runs off dont want to leave but have to go because they get their money pulled and they cant afford it after
Hey Schulman you feel good about what you did last summer and the full faith in the program now? LOSER!

I think we have all talked about the “running off” of players. It happens every year - I can point to minimum of 2 (and usually 3) every year for the last 11.

I came to like Bowen on this team last year; thought he was the “go to guy” in the playoffs. Then what happens, the final game against BC in the playoffs - he sits!!!! He was our key scorer at that point. I assumed he may have gotten hurt or did something wrong. NOT!

Now this year, Bowen barely plays. Bowen, Blanleil, and Best (all upper class) have less total number of games (19) then UVM has played in total as a team this season. How do these guys sit so much???? Blanleil is an Assistant; was he not chosen for this role by his team as a leader? He has 1/3 the games he played last season. Best in 3 games (I’m told he is NOT hurt) has 1 goal. I mean I’m all for playing the freshmen like Misley (18 games) to get them ice, but if we have player that has experience and can score - versus 18 games without hitting the twine - what is going on???

The answer: It is Sneddon’s way of “Running Players” off...Blanleil is a Sr - so he will be gone. Bowen and Best are Juniors, but the handwriting on the wall - I bet will lose them. If rumors about Colton and his displeasure are true - he’ll leave of his own accord. All we need to do is lose Lekkas.

Thanks Schulman. I concur with the new push:

#FIRESCHULMAN
#FIRESNEDDON
#SAVEUVMHOCKEY


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