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  • Fighting Sioux 23
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    Now that the season is over, I'll be spending some time crunching the numbers. I have back-to-back trials in May, so it will likely be sometime this summer before I finish gathering all the data. However, here are my general thoughts on the likely changes:

    1. Michigan will almost certainly overtake North Dakota to reclaim the #1 spot. UND had a relatively terrible season and probably will lose points. Michigan made the Frozen Four, had the Hobey Baker winner, and captured the B1G Tournament title. There won't be much separating the two, but the Wolverines will likely regain their edge heading into the 2023-2024 campaign.

    2. It will be very close for the #3 spot between Denver and Minnesota. Both teams had tremendous regular seasons before faltering in the playoffs. However, historically, advancing to the title game is worth somewhere between about 15-20 points. While Denver has a decent lead (~9 points), and had a strong season, usually a first round NCAA Tournament exit doesn't equate to the 6-11 points the Pios will need to keep pace with the Gophers.

    3. It will also be a tight race for the #5 spot between BC and BU. BU had a strong season, culminating in a Frozen Four birth, while the Eagles watched it all on TV. I'm guessing that 2-3 points (or less) will separate the two squads, with the Terriers perhaps reclaiming the #5 position.

    4. Could Cornell jump back into the Top 10? The Big Red had a strong season, and nearly went back to the Frozen Four, while Maine struggled. Moreover, Quinnipiac winning their first title should help out the rest of the ECAC schools slightly. Will that be enough to overcome a ~4 point gap? We'll see.

    5. How high will Quinnipiac move up? The Bobcats just completed one of the most dominant seasons in college hockey history (I anticipate a likely Top 25 season, but that is for my other thread ; ) ). They will certainly crack the Top 20 here, and could challenge up to about the 17 spot. Of course, Quinnipiac's jump could also very well put Union back at #26...which just seems right.

    6. I don't expect much movement in the bottom half of the rankings. There will be small movements here and there, but nobody made any program-altering runs. Penn State may jump a few spots. But other than that, I don't--at least at first blush--see anybody moving more than maybe a spot or two.

    7. We'll welcome Lindenwood and Stonehill to the rankings!

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  • Fighting Sioux 23
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    Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
    Any chance you could repost the methodology of your rankings struggling to find it
    It was discussed in more detail in the original threads, but my formula is essentially an average of 6 different formulas that emphasis various different metrics/accomplishments. For example, one formula places more of an emphasis on NCAA National Championships (and to a lesser extent, success in the NCAA Tournament), while another formula looks more like an all-time RPI. The formulas are averaged together, and then I divide by 10 to make the point totals less burdensome to type out. : ) Overall, it factors in a wide variety of objective metrics that fans like to point to for why their program is great.

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  • Shirtless Guy
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    Any chance you could repost the methodology of your rankings struggling to find it

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  • Driftryder
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    I was really hoping Union would be #26

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  • Fighting Sioux 23
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    The cream of the crop...

    #1 - North Dakota - 523.3644 Points
    #2 - Michigan - 521.1526 Points
    #3 - Denver - 468.5456 Points
    #4 - Minnesota - 459.7809 Points
    #5 - Boston College - 396.6778 Points
    #6 - Boston University - 390.0831 Points
    #7 - Wisconsin - 353.5653 Points
    #8 - Michigan State - 232.1877 Points
    #9 - Minnesota Duluth - 213.1545 Points
    #10 - Maine - 177.9004 Points
    #11 - Cornell - 173.8406 Points
    #12 - Michigan Tech - 168.3758 Points
    #13 - Lake Superior State - 156.9998 Points
    #14 - Harvard - 150.3905 Points
    #15 - Colorado College - 146.4316 Points
    #16 - Clarkson - 135.4556 Points
    #17 - Rensselaer - 100.1573 Points
    #18 - Providence - 93.876 Points
    #19 - New Hampshire - 92.7097 Points
    #20 - Bowling Green - 84.2827 Points

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  • Fighting Sioux 23
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    The middle group...

    #21 - Northern Michigan - 83.1336 Points
    #22 - Yale - 77.728 Points
    #23 - Notre Dame - 71.0456 Points
    #24 - St. Lawrence - 67.8005 Points
    #25 - Union - 63.951 Points
    #26 - Quinnipiac - 62.6003 Points
    #27 - Massachusetts - 61.61 Points
    #28 - St. Cloud State - 58.2375 Points
    #29 - Minnesota State - 49.6369 Points
    #30 - Miami - 48.3659 Points
    #31 - Dartmouth - 41.5476 Points
    #32 - Northeastern - 41.182 Points
    #33 - Ferris State - 36.1744 Points
    #34 - Colgate - 34.1721 Points
    #35 - Ohio State - 28.8574 Points
    #36 - Massachusetts-Lowell - 26.7655 Points
    #37 - Brown - 23.0825 Points
    #38 - Vermont - 19.5699 Points
    #39 - Bemidji State - 18.4479 Points
    #40 - Western Michigan - 12.056 Points

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  • Fighting Sioux 23
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    Let's start with the bottom third...

    #41 - Nebraska Omaha - 12.056 Points
    #42 - RIT - 11.9271 Points
    #43 - Air Force - 10.6094 Points
    #44 - Princeton - 8.8529 Points
    #45 - Niagara - 6.9066 Points
    #46 - Merrimack - 6.4947 Points
    #47 - Alaska Anchorage - 6.4211 Points
    #48 - American International - 6.4198 Points
    #49 - Penn State - 5.7754 Points
    #50 - Holy Cross - 5.1877 Points
    #51 - Mercyhurst - 5.0937 Points
    #52 - Alaska - 4.3622 Points
    #53 - Robert Morris - 2.605 Points
    #54 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.5943 Points
    #55 - Army - 2.4368 Points
    #56 - Canisius - 1.6465 Points
    #57 - Connecticut - 1.3823 Points
    #58 - Arizona State - 0.9119 Points
    #59 - Sacred Heart - 0.6885 Points
    #60 - Bentley - 0.0925 Points
    #61 - Long Island - 0.0115 Points
    #62 - St. Thomas - 0.0073 Points
    (Lindenwood and Stonehill are on the formula list, but had no calculable results at the end of the 2021-2022 season)

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  • RossiRules
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    Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
    UMass was a d2 school until.1996 and they have 2 final 4s with one win. Most other seasons in their D1 and D2 history they have sucked as they do this season

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  • Fighting Sioux 23
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    Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
    I don't understand SCSU, PSU, BSU or OSU making the top 25...unless they're counting DII stuff for BSU but PSU makes no sense, same with OSU
    Yeah, my rankings are quite a bit different than those. : p

    You can make an argument for SCSU and OSU in the Top 25. BSU for sure if you're counting DII. But Penn State? That makes zero sense.

    In any event, I'll post my end of season 2021-2022 rankings tomorrow. Spoiler alert? Penn State is not in the Top 25!!!

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  • Shirtless Guy
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    Originally posted by sezenack View Post

    It's literally just clickbait. This account is well-known for making dumb rankings that have enough viability to seem legit but are made to farm interactions. They make a lot of "Best ____ in the State" type graphics that are even more clickbaity than this or other things like this. Credit to them though because it works and gets people riled up
    I understand that. That's why every time in came up I pretty much told those quoting to not give it the time of day, but it still made me wonder what was going on with these rankings. I've barely spent any time on USCHO fan forum in 4 years?

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  • sezenack
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    Originally posted by Shirtless Guy View Post
    I don't understand SCSU, PSU, BSU or OSU making the top 25...unless they're counting DII stuff for BSU but PSU makes no sense, same with OSU
    It's literally just clickbait. This account is well-known for making dumb rankings that have enough viability to seem legit but are made to farm interactions. They make a lot of "Best ____ in the State" type graphics that are even more clickbaity than this or other things like this. Credit to them though because it works and gets people riled up

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  • Eddie Schorr
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    Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post

    I've really let this thread go...but the interest seemed to dip doing it every season. However, for you, I will post the 2021-2022 end of season rankings this weekend. : p
    Count me among those that look forward to it. I may not reply in the thread but am absolutely interested.

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  • Shirtless Guy
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    I don't understand SCSU, PSU, BSU or OSU making the top 25...unless they're counting DII stuff for BSU but PSU makes no sense, same with OSU

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  • Shirtless Guy
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  • giwan
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    Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post

    I've really let this thread go...but the interest seemed to dip doing it every season. However, for you, I will post the 2021-2022 end of season rankings this weekend. : p
    I agree you let this thread go. Curious what made you think the interest was lacking? I think there are many that look forward to it and appreciate the work put in. Thanks

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